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On March 20 2017 23:33 [[Starlight]] wrote:We should know by the special event, i.e. March 25. Playing wait-and-see for 5 days doesn't require any real investment of trust, just the tiniest bit of patience.
Yeah. It's better than last time where the rumor said it was a month away. I assumed itd be announced as ASL finals, it wasnt. Then I assumed it was Blizzcon, it wasnt. Sad days.
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On March 20 2017 23:48 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 23:33 [[Starlight]] wrote:On March 20 2017 22:34 SirGlinG wrote:
Should we trust this this time? We should know by the special event, i.e. March 25. Playing wait-and-see for 5 days doesn't require any real investment of trust, just the tiniest bit of patience. Yeah. It's better than last time where the rumor said it was a month away. I assumed itd be announced as ASL finals, it wasnt. Then I assumed it was Blizzcon, it wasnt. Sad days.
They're remaking BW so hard that they're even remaking BW's tough development when they spent 14 months assuming that the game was only 2 months away from shipping.
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I would love for people who are asking for tweaks to hang out together and design their game. Platforms of competition that require constant tweaks are bad at their core, and playing with the core of something that's already good tends to leads to failure. F1 fucked itself up beyond repair with tweaks over tweaks, Olympic taekwondo is a joke. A good sport comes with maturation, not DRS or ever changing ridiculous point systems or custom hotkeys. There's SC2 if you like to be babysitted, bw needs modern OS support, not rule changes. Seeing any change to be at this point would just make me go the openbw route.
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I think two things that I haven't seen much discussion on are the future of map making and LAN in BW HD.
One of the big problems with SC2 is that the community has had little influence over competitive maps, which has lead to both a stagnating meta and limited community control over the balance. Do you think that Blizzard in an attempt to "modernize" the game will limit the community's influence over the map pool, or are they smart enough to realize the consequences of tampering with this?
Also, Blizzard has a financial interest in removing LAN from BW HD like they did in SC2. By integrating BW with Battle Net, will they remove LAN in the process? I am sure if they did the game would either be dead on arrival or result in a split BW community.
The discussion on MBS/army selection/pathing/etc has been done to death, but I am interested in hearing your guys' thoughts on these two important features. Are there any acceptable changes here, or are any changes out of the question? I am still cautiously optimistic about this announcement though.
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I don't know if Blizzard will limit the community's influence over the map pool but frankly, it'll be stupid of them to actually touch the maps or remove LAN from the game. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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On March 21 2017 00:09 AdelSC123 wrote:
I would love for people who are asking for tweaks to hang out together and design their game. Platforms of competition that require constant tweaks are bad at their core, and playing with the core of something that's already good tends to leads to failure. F1 fucked itself up beyond repair with tweaks over tweaks, Olympic taekwondo is a joke. A good sport comes with maturation, not DRS or ever changing ridiculous point systems or custom hotkeys. There's SC2 if you like to be babysitted, bw needs modern OS support, not rule changes. Seeing any change to be at this point would just make me go the openbw route.
Custom hotkeys is honestly pretty irrelevant..... I'm not sure I'd even rebind anything. Used `,q,w for 0,9,8 in sc2 and that was about it. Oh and side-mouse button for idle workers which isn't even a thing in bw so 
BW would not be hurt even in the slightest from that, it's still a million miles apart from MBS, automining, idle worker hotkeys, unlimited unit selection etc. Those I hope they don't touch.
I also wish they'd keep all the / commands but I doubt it.... Missed them in SC2 a lot (/w, /r, /f l......).
On March 21 2017 02:04 BigFan wrote:
I don't know if Blizzard will limit the community's influence over the map pool but frankly, it'll be stupid of them to actually touch the maps or remove LAN from the game. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Oh god... That's terrible to even think about.
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sc2's release was the saddest shit i've ever seen. Total regression in terms of both social and game features, have they learned?
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On March 21 2017 02:13 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 00:09 AdelSC123 wrote:
I would love for people who are asking for tweaks to hang out together and design their game. Platforms of competition that require constant tweaks are bad at their core, and playing with the core of something that's already good tends to leads to failure. F1 fucked itself up beyond repair with tweaks over tweaks, Olympic taekwondo is a joke. A good sport comes with maturation, not DRS or ever changing ridiculous point systems or custom hotkeys. There's SC2 if you like to be babysitted, bw needs modern OS support, not rule changes. Seeing any change to be at this point would just make me go the openbw route. Custom hotkeys is honestly pretty irrelevant..... I'm not sure I'd even rebind anything. Used `,q,w for 0,9,8 in sc2 and that was about it. Oh and side-mouse button for idle workers which isn't even a thing in bw so BW would not be hurt even in the slightest from that, it's still a million miles apart from MBS, automining, idle worker hotkeys, unlimited unit selection etc. Those I hope they don't touch. I also wish they'd keep all the / commands but I doubt it.... Missed them in SC2 a lot (/w, /r, /f l......). Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 02:04 BigFan wrote:
I don't know if Blizzard will limit the community's influence over the map pool but frankly, it'll be stupid of them to actually touch the maps or remove LAN from the game. Guess we'll have to wait and see. Oh god... That's terrible to even think about.
yep, I'm cautiously optimistic at this point. If the HD version turns out to be the same gameplay with just HD sprites, ladder, some of the OS fixes etc... that'd be great otherwise, I have no quarrels to sticking with BW as it is right now. I don't play the game for the graphics, I play it because I love it and the cool graphics atm only compound that
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That's a good point. If it's using BNET 2.0, then it shouldn't have LAN.
Welp.
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more like Bnet 0.2 ? 
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I somehow skipped it, so was it officially announced and if yes, at what page can I read about it? Pretty big thread, don't feel like going through every page.
Thanks in advance.
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On March 21 2017 02:39 shall_burn wrote:
I somehow skipped it, so was it officially announced and if yes, at what page can I read about it? Pretty big thread, don't feel like going through every page.
Thanks in advance.
Not announced yet. Check back March 25th for a possible announcement.
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On March 21 2017 02:41 Jae Zedong wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 02:39 shall_burn wrote:
I somehow skipped it, so was it officially announced and if yes, at what page can I read about it? Pretty big thread, don't feel like going through every page.
Thanks in advance. Not announced yet. Check back March 25th.
What will happen on the 25th of March? And if this has not been announced as of yet... I mean, I skimmed through the first and only two pages a while ago, and boom the thread explodes in a matter of days. I thought, somethig serious has happened, like an announcement.
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On March 21 2017 02:45 shall_burn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 02:41 Jae Zedong wrote:On March 21 2017 02:39 shall_burn wrote:
I somehow skipped it, so was it officially announced and if yes, at what page can I read about it? Pretty big thread, don't feel like going through every page.
Thanks in advance. Not announced yet. Check back March 25th. What will happen on the 25th of March? And if this has not been announced as of yet... I mean, I skimmed through the first and only two pages a while ago, and boom the thread explodes in a matter of days. I thought, somethig serious has happened, like an announcement.
nope, it's mostly speculation that a BW HD announcement will be done on the 25th.
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On March 21 2017 02:49 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 02:45 shall_burn wrote:On March 21 2017 02:41 Jae Zedong wrote:On March 21 2017 02:39 shall_burn wrote:
I somehow skipped it, so was it officially announced and if yes, at what page can I read about it? Pretty big thread, don't feel like going through every page.
Thanks in advance. Not announced yet. Check back March 25th. What will happen on the 25th of March? And if this has not been announced as of yet... I mean, I skimmed through the first and only two pages a while ago, and boom the thread explodes in a matter of days. I thought, somethig serious has happened, like an announcement. nope, it's mostly speculation that a BW HD announcement will be done on the 25th.
Well it gained traction because blizzard is no longer selling BW on battle.net. It's sold out.
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On March 21 2017 02:32 ICanFlyLow wrote:
sc2's release was the saddest shit i've ever seen. Total regression in terms of both social and game features, have they learned?
They at least tried to bring a lot of those features back over the years. They even brought back general chat which is still a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
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On March 21 2017 03:04 InfCereal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2017 02:49 BigFan wrote:On March 21 2017 02:45 shall_burn wrote:On March 21 2017 02:41 Jae Zedong wrote:On March 21 2017 02:39 shall_burn wrote:
I somehow skipped it, so was it officially announced and if yes, at what page can I read about it? Pretty big thread, don't feel like going through every page.
Thanks in advance. Not announced yet. Check back March 25th. What will happen on the 25th of March? And if this has not been announced as of yet... I mean, I skimmed through the first and only two pages a while ago, and boom the thread explodes in a matter of days. I thought, somethig serious has happened, like an announcement. nope, it's mostly speculation that a BW HD announcement will be done on the 25th. Well it gained traction because blizzard is no longer selling BW on battle.net. It's sold out.
And the fact that last week there was a korean news article supposedly leaking that BW HD would be announced as soon as next week.
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yes plz blizzard plz 
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If they actually make this, I really doubt they add any of these extra features besides increasing resolution and adding compatibility with Windows 7 - Windows 10. Since we're larping as blizz designers though, I'd like to see some of the few things that are actually better in sc2 added to the game such as better non-cheating AI (maybe they could incorporate some of the bwapi bots), a better replay system (with 3rd party programs, we are pretty close to having feature sc2 has except skipping backwards in a replay! lol), a "training mode" like sc2's SALT (yes, i know blizz didn't make this). Agree with better mapping tools and adding an optional classic mode with standard pixel graphics.
On custom hotkeys- I used to hate the idea, but honestly it's pretty irrelevant. Some foreign players use hotkey changing programs and they didn't suddenly become the next Sziky or even place higher in defiler tours. I can confidently state that I have never lost a game because of the added millisecond it takes to hit 'p' rather than 's' or 'd'. One could argue that the minute benefits might add up in a progame, but we all know pros are just going to enforce standard hotkeys anyway.
If we take the good parts of sc2 (there are good parts, even hardcore BW fans can agree) while avoiding the nerds on battlenet calling for a patch because they just lost a gold league game, this could be good for SC.
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On March 20 2017 17:01 seom wrote:
any real buffs / balance changes are going to alienate the hardcore fan-base.
I'm hoping gameplay remains exactly the same.
customizable hotkeys and wide-screen aspect ratios I would be fine with however as I don't think they affect gameplay / balance too much and would help in getting some newer players into the game. the micro possibilities with custom hotkeys would be pretty interesting.
If by resolution you mean how much of the game a person can see at any one time, that will most certainly affect the gameplay.
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