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I really really really wanna see BW get a serious place in e-sports again.
I feel so sad about the way it went away, imagine if it was like that with regular sports. We don't play Fotball anymore, now everyone has to play land hockey instead.
BW is the only game that has survived over this extended time and still works so well on so many levels.
I wish that e-sport leagues where mature enough to focus on those kind of games instead of the flavor of the month.
I wish I was a billionaire so that I could create an e-sports league and focus on games with longevity like BW and SSBM etc. Even though I find SSBM boring myself.
Sure, add in flavor of the month games and see what gains traction and what can keep its popularity.
It hurts my fucking soul that BW went away not because the viewership did but because Blizzard was pushing SC2.
Imagine if we had the kind of high quality international streaming of today with the scene we had back then.
I see such huge potential for this game...
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I began to play on Fish server more recently, and I get a game to play in a few seconds. It's blast to play SCBW seriously again. 
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On January 17 2017 12:28 Barneyk wrote:
I really really really wanna see BW get a serious place in e-sports again.
I feel so sad about the way it went away, imagine if it was like that with regular sports. We don't play Fotball anymore, now everyone has to play land hockey instead.
BW is the only game that has survived over this extended time and still works so well on so many levels.
I wish that e-sport leagues where mature enough to focus on those kind of games instead of the flavor of the month.
I wish I was a billionaire so that I could create an e-sports league and focus on games with longevity like BW and SSBM etc. Even though I find SSBM boring myself.
Sure, add in flavor of the month games and see what gains traction and what can keep its popularity.
It hurts my fucking soul that BW went away not because the viewership did but because Blizzard was pushing SC2.
Imagine if we had the kind of high quality international streaming of today with the scene we had back then.
I see such huge potential for this game...
That's one thing I don't understand - why does it need to be in a serious place in eSports? All I want is for it to be big enough to attract new players in Korea for leagues that we can see on stream. I couldn't care less about this Western concept of "eSports." BW already nets enough viewers and numbers to generate interest in dedicated youth, but I don't think it will ever compete with more "user-friendly" games like DotA.
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On January 17 2017 14:08 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 12:28 Barneyk wrote:
I really really really wanna see BW get a serious place in e-sports again.
I feel so sad about the way it went away, imagine if it was like that with regular sports. We don't play Fotball anymore, now everyone has to play land hockey instead.
BW is the only game that has survived over this extended time and still works so well on so many levels.
I wish that e-sport leagues where mature enough to focus on those kind of games instead of the flavor of the month.
I wish I was a billionaire so that I could create an e-sports league and focus on games with longevity like BW and SSBM etc. Even though I find SSBM boring myself.
Sure, add in flavor of the month games and see what gains traction and what can keep its popularity.
It hurts my fucking soul that BW went away not because the viewership did but because Blizzard was pushing SC2.
Imagine if we had the kind of high quality international streaming of today with the scene we had back then.
I see such huge potential for this game... That's one thing I don't understand - why does it need to be in a serious place in eSports? All I want is for it to be big enough to attract new players in Korea for leagues that we can see on stream. I couldn't care less about this Western concept of "eSports." BW already nets enough viewers and numbers to generate interest in dedicated youth, but I don't think it will ever compete with more "user-friendly" games like DotA.
I think the idea is that you have all the incentive in the world to try, train, and compete.
Like, what would the state of Brood War be if everyone in the scene had a 9-5 job and could only invest a few hours a week into practicing? Surely, even the best of the best players in Brood War, they might have to sacrifice skill and preparation for their day job of being an entertaining streamer, as oppose to the peak of Brood War where they were able to just focus on improving and nothing else.
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Has anyone else been watching the Starcraft AI bots battle each other at https://www.twitch.tv/certicky ?
Loving the fact that the stream is running automated 24/7 and i can just tune in for an hour when i've got the time.It's literally the first time i've watched brood war in years.
Tourney starts tommorrow (Wednesday) i believe, may the best bot win!
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On January 17 2017 14:08 Jealous wrote:
That's one thing I don't understand - why does it need to be in a serious place in eSports? All I want is for it to be big enough to attract new players in Korea for leagues that we can see on stream. I couldn't care less about this Western concept of "eSports." BW already nets enough viewers and numbers to generate interest in dedicated youth, but I don't think it will ever compete with more "user-friendly" games like DotA.
We are basically talking about the same thing.
If it is big enough to attract and have an avenue for new players to focus on the game full time to be able to improve and eventually compete with and beat the elites of today it has a serious place in eSports.
It doesn't have to compete with mobas or whatever, it just has to be big enough to support new players.
And it really isn't today. Today BW players make their money streaming and there really isn't an avenue for new players to focus on the game professionally.
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On January 18 2017 00:57 Barneyk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 14:08 Jealous wrote:
That's one thing I don't understand - why does it need to be in a serious place in eSports? All I want is for it to be big enough to attract new players in Korea for leagues that we can see on stream. I couldn't care less about this Western concept of "eSports." BW already nets enough viewers and numbers to generate interest in dedicated youth, but I don't think it will ever compete with more "user-friendly" games like DotA. We are basically talking about the same thing. If it is big enough to attract and have an avenue for new players to focus on the game full time to be able to improve and eventually compete with and beat the elites of today it has a serious place in eSports. It doesn't have to compete with mobas or whatever, it just has to be big enough to support new players. And it really isn't today. Today BW players make their money streaming and there really isn't an avenue for new players to focus on the game professionally.
Luckily we have military service, so dominations have to end so that new players have a chance to shine, until they come back so the new players have levelled the playing field.
Eventually old players retire and new players will come back, as long as the new players are inspired by these legends.
I like how everyone is repeating the same doomsdays stuff people said when Boxer went to the military. Look how that turned out (TBLS anyone?)
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On January 18 2017 01:40 duke91 wrote:
Luckily we have military service, so dominations have to end so that new players have a chance to shine, until they come back so the new players have levelled the playing field.
Eventually old players retire and new players will come back, as long as the new players are inspired by these legends.
I like how everyone is repeating the same doomsdays stuff people said when Boxer went to the military. Look how that turned out (TBLS anyone?)
New players have to have made something of themselves before they go off to military service otherwise the interest will plummet when that happens.
And that is what worries me.
It is amazing to be part of this BW resurgence but is it gonna be a last hurrah of the old pros or is it gonna be a true revival?
I don't know, I am hoping for a true revival and I am doing my best to support it as I can.
I have donated lots of stars of the afreeca stream, both the Tastosis and the FTWDagger streams. More people should do it!
And, is the crowdfunding page up for the finale yet?
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On January 17 2017 17:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Has anyone else been watching the Starcraft AI bots battle each other at https://www.twitch.tv/certicky ? Loving the fact that the stream is running automated 24/7 and i can just tune in for an hour when i've got the time.It's literally the first time i've watched brood war in years. Tourney starts tommorrow (Wednesday) i believe, may the best bot win!
I have ofc. The Brood War AI tournaments indeed bring in people who aren't BW players themself.
The first games of the Ro16 start tommorow at 20:00 CET.
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On January 17 2017 12:28 Barneyk wrote:
I really really really wanna see BW get a serious place in e-sports again.
I doubt Blizzard will let that happen. They helped kill it last time.
On January 17 2017 14:08 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 12:28 Barneyk wrote:
I really really really wanna see BW get a serious place in e-sports again.
I feel so sad about the way it went away, imagine if it was like that with regular sports. We don't play Fotball anymore, now everyone has to play land hockey instead.
BW is the only game that has survived over this extended time and still works so well on so many levels.
I wish that e-sport leagues where mature enough to focus on those kind of games instead of the flavor of the month.
I wish I was a billionaire so that I could create an e-sports league and focus on games with longevity like BW and SSBM etc. Even though I find SSBM boring myself.
Sure, add in flavor of the month games and see what gains traction and what can keep its popularity.
It hurts my fucking soul that BW went away not because the viewership did but because Blizzard was pushing SC2.
Imagine if we had the kind of high quality international streaming of today with the scene we had back then.
I see such huge potential for this game... That's one thing I don't understand - why does it need to be in a serious place in eSports? All I want is for it to be big enough to attract new players in Korea for leagues that we can see on stream. I couldn't care less about this Western concept of "eSports." BW already nets enough viewers and numbers to generate interest in dedicated youth, but I don't think it will ever compete with more "user-friendly" games like DotA.
It depends on how you define "serious". For example, I just want it to be like it was before, that's "serious" for me. I don't care about player streams, so I only watch tournaments. PL and OSL/MSL were perfect for that.
On January 17 2017 17:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Has anyone else been watching the Starcraft AI bots battle each other at https://www.twitch.tv/certicky ? Loving the fact that the stream is running automated 24/7 and i can just tune in for an hour when i've got the time.It's literally the first time i've watched brood war in years. Tourney starts tommorrow (Wednesday) i believe, may the best bot win!
I do, pretty much every time this time of the year (December/January). Back then, they only streamed the tournament matches, iirc.
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How "serious" do you consider the current ASL just for comparison's sake?
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On January 18 2017 01:40 duke91 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 00:57 Barneyk wrote:On January 17 2017 14:08 Jealous wrote:
That's one thing I don't understand - why does it need to be in a serious place in eSports? All I want is for it to be big enough to attract new players in Korea for leagues that we can see on stream. I couldn't care less about this Western concept of "eSports." BW already nets enough viewers and numbers to generate interest in dedicated youth, but I don't think it will ever compete with more "user-friendly" games like DotA. We are basically talking about the same thing. If it is big enough to attract and have an avenue for new players to focus on the game full time to be able to improve and eventually compete with and beat the elites of today it has a serious place in eSports. It doesn't have to compete with mobas or whatever, it just has to be big enough to support new players. And it really isn't today. Today BW players make their money streaming and there really isn't an avenue for new players to focus on the game professionally. Luckily we have military service, so dominations have to end so that new players have a chance to shine, until they come back so the new players have levelled the playing field. Eventually old players retire and new players will come back, as long as the new players are inspired by these legends. I like how everyone is repeating the same doomsdays stuff people said when Boxer went to the military. Look how that turned out (TBLS anyone?)
I think the big question is: will the Korean fanbase and viewership transition to a newer generation of amateur players? Will this transition keep the scene sustainable enough when the current generation of players eventually fade from competitive play?
The benefits of the KeSPA pro scene allowed new pros to create storylines and build starpower through exposure in multiple televised leagues, all while being trained and nurtured in the stability of a teamhouse supported by corporate sponsors.Those storylines were further enhanced by connecting to the storylines and lineages of previous pros. Because that infrastructure has collapsed and must be rebuilt, it's uncertain whether or not these storylines and starpower can still be built up in a scene centered mostly around streaming and online leagues.
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On January 18 2017 04:49 IntoTheheart wrote:
How "serious" do you consider the current ASL just for comparison's sake?
I think it is pretty serious, howerer imho next ASL will have slightly less hype and attention from viewers. The same thing will happen that happend on Flash / Jaedong first streams - huge hype but every next one had a little less and less.
I might be wrong though and I wish all the best for ASL and BW in general
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I think it's time we emulate the generous Korean fans and pull together some money to host a tournament for our beloved foreign scene. As a community we could keep the ball rolling and interests hot.
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Crowdfunding the first tournament would be fine but It takes a long time to develop. Look how long it took the fighting game scene to be at the same level as year 2 brood war. If your content keeping things community ran like they do then building up the scene would be radically different from trying to secure corporate sponsorships.
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On January 18 2017 05:36 mutantmagnet wrote:
Crowdfunding the first tournament would be fine but It takes a long time to develop. Look how long it took the fighting game scene to be at the same level as year 2 brood war. If your content keeping things community ran like they do then building up the scene would be radically different from trying to secure corporate sponsorships.
Why do you always need some huge sponsorship for tournament? I'd bet most foreigners are already satisfied with a small LAN where people get a not huge price money, and transport is done via carpooling. Now there are quite a few TL.net members around Germany/belgium/netherlands and I bet most would be in for a small community gathering/tournament.
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Anyone know the numbers for Flash v. Jaedong?
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On January 18 2017 06:33 Souma wrote:
Anyone know the numbers for Flash v. Jaedong?
300k viewers total.
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On January 18 2017 04:33 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 12:28 Barneyk wrote:
I really really really wanna see BW get a serious place in e-sports again. I doubt Blizzard will let that happen. They helped kill it last time.
If Blizzard wanted it dead, it'd already be dead. They could just deny licenses.
On January 18 2017 06:33 Souma wrote:
Anyone know the numbers for Flash v. Jaedong?
I know it was over 200k.
On January 18 2017 04:33 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 12:28 Barneyk wrote:
I really really really wanna see BW get a serious place in e-sports again. I doubt Blizzard will let that happen. They helped kill it last time.
If Blizzard wanted it dead, it'd already be dead. They could just deny licenses.
On January 18 2017 06:07 duke91 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 05:36 mutantmagnet wrote:
Crowdfunding the first tournament would be fine but It takes a long time to develop. Look how long it took the fighting game scene to be at the same level as year 2 brood war. If your content keeping things community ran like they do then building up the scene would be radically different from trying to secure corporate sponsorships. Why do you always need some huge sponsorship for tournament? I'd bet most foreigners are already satisfied with a small LAN where people get a not huge price money, and transport is done via carpooling. Now there are quite a few TL.net members around Germany/belgium/netherlands and I bet most would be in for a small community gathering/tournament.
Because that's how you get enough money in the scene for it to be worth to make a living professionally instead of just hobbyist stuff you do in your offhand.
On January 18 2017 05:36 mutantmagnet wrote:
Crowdfunding the first tournament would be fine but It takes a long time to develop. Look how long it took the fighting game scene to be at the same level as year 2 brood war. If your content keeping things community ran like they do then building up the scene would be radically different from trying to secure corporate sponsorships.
I don't think most Korean fans are big fans of crowdfunding. It seems they'd rather just tip their favorite players. You have a good amount of the old guard getting six figures a month in balloons but you have a lot of crowdfunded stuff that seemingly gets neglected.
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On January 18 2017 04:33 Lucumo wrote:
I doubt Blizzard will let that happen. They helped kill it last time.
But they seem to have changed their tune, officially announcing the 1.17 patch among other things makes it look like they have changed their strategy.
They saw that they just couldn't recreate the magic of BW with SC2 no matter how hard they tried.
But we will see...
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