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DjKniteX
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States242 Posts
December 19 2013 20:05 GMT
#1
So I wanted to play BW, I find it more enjoying than SC2 (I kinda rage quit after I saw that PvP finals recently) got into BW again, played against AIs, can win, play against real people, I don't know what to do, I don't know how to counter or what to build... Fast lurkers, I don't know how to hold that..

Can someone help me? I am now like D- with 764 pts.

my iccup id is tSn.DjKniteX and I play Terran

can someone teach me how to play?
"You know my methods.... Apply them"
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 20:24:40
December 19 2013 20:20 GMT
#2
Read this: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Terran_Strategy
(Along with other tutorial stuff - like the early episodes of day9 daily, which were all bw, etc)
Then play until your hands hurt - and voila!

Edit: And carefully watch other (good) players play the game!

Out of curiosity: What's that pvp final about. And how can a match other people played make you quit a game?
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 20:23:14
December 19 2013 20:21 GMT
#3
You will get a ton of different answers and honestly the one you should get and I mean no disrespect, is using the TL search function as there are tons of these threads in existence over the past year now. Ultimately your best friend is here:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Portal:Beginners
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Strategy
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Terran_Strategy
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Protoss_Strategy
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Zerg_Strategy

Practice Partners (Official) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427026
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DjKniteX
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States242 Posts
December 19 2013 20:26 GMT
#4
yeah i spent like 3 days/nights reading the liquidpedia, I found out that the Science Vessel is essential in almost every game I played. I should get a practice partner and Ill go watch some day9!

I need to at least win one game.. Lol
"You know my methods.... Apply them"
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
December 19 2013 20:31 GMT
#5
On December 20 2013 05:26 DjKniteX wrote:
yeah i spent like 3 days/nights reading the liquidpedia, I found out that the Science Vessel is essential in almost every game I played. I should get a practice partner and Ill go watch some day9!

I need to at least win one game.. Lol

Join the sgs skype group too. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272674
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puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
December 19 2013 20:34 GMT
#6
If it makes you feel any better I hit C and I feel the exact same way...
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
DjKniteX
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States242 Posts
December 19 2013 20:35 GMT
#7
On December 20 2013 05:31 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 05:26 DjKniteX wrote:
yeah i spent like 3 days/nights reading the liquidpedia, I found out that the Science Vessel is essential in almost every game I played. I should get a practice partner and Ill go watch some day9!

I need to at least win one game.. Lol

Join the sgs skype group too. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272674


whoooa, I will check that out, thanks!
"You know my methods.... Apply them"
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 20:38:24
December 19 2013 20:36 GMT
#8
I remember when I started out on iccup; 2007, I thought i was the shit, I didnt drop a game on b.net. I ended up losing about thirty games straight.

edit: Point is, you will probably become frustrated/despondent, just remember its normal to get thrashed.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
rusty23456
Profile Joined September 2009
United States110 Posts
December 19 2013 21:31 GMT
#9
On December 20 2013 05:34 puppykiller wrote:
If it makes you feel any better I hit C and I feel the exact same way...




I second this.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 23:39:02
December 19 2013 23:31 GMT
#10
If this helps make you feel any better i kinda lost 10 straight matches before i won 2 matches then proceeded to lose another 7 before winning another one match. That sums up my beginning of broodwar multiplayer. I still feel like shit whenever i play nowadays.

And one more thing. Since you are terran you are not gonna like tvp.
this is a quote
Iway
Profile Joined December 2011
France163 Posts
December 19 2013 23:39 GMT
#11
try to play protoss then switch, it'll be easier. Micro marines is hardcore.
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
December 19 2013 23:41 GMT
#12
if it makes you feel any better.. I think terran is the most challenging for starters, mechanics-wise
DjKniteX
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States242 Posts
December 20 2013 00:24 GMT
#13
but I like playing Terran, I like know almost all the hot keys for Terran now and besides its fun. Lol I like plying with vultures
"You know my methods.... Apply them"
Todd P
Profile Joined December 2010
42 Posts
December 20 2013 01:13 GMT
#14
Terran is the best when you reach higher levels. I like the fact that whenever you win a game against higher ranked players (C/C+/B-/B) they just whine that Terran is IMBA
Impossible is nothing
Medry *
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada166 Posts
December 20 2013 01:23 GMT
#15
This is how i felt when i was playing my first games. I just learned one build for each matchup and went from there, slowly evolving each build depending on what my opponent was doing.

Just play a tonne of games! you will feel yourself improving after awhile.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 02:28:05
December 20 2013 02:28 GMT
#16
On December 20 2013 10:23 Medry wrote:
Just play a tonne of games! you will feel yourself improving after awhile.

this can't be emphasized enough lol. You need to play a lot of games at the beginning. When I started as terran, I was losing to early pools(guessing 8 or 9 at the time). Once my opponent got lings in my base, I just couldn't get rid of them that easily and by the time I did, he had more rallied. Eventually, I'll gg after losing most if not all of my workers. After that happened several times, I started placing an SCV(or two) on the ramp with a marine or more behind it(usually whenever I went 1 rax cc) and started to keep my scout alive for longer to see what's going on and such. It made a big difference to the point where I wasn't losing to early pools anymore. Point is, just keep playing. Once you get used to the keys, control, the game will only get better
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
December 20 2013 03:19 GMT
#17
Wait until you see all the TLS zvz finals...
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1806 Posts
December 20 2013 03:44 GMT
#18
with the bw pro-scene no longer around and the rising number of these former pros streaming, watching their fpvods can actually help you a tremendous amount as well. mass gaming is one thing but if you mass game with the wrong ideas and techniques, you will hit a ceiling sooner or later. seeing fpvods will give you a real time sense of timings and techniques that they employ.

one of the things that i learnt really well was breaking a lurker contain and seeing how bisu usually does a simple zealot drop in his bases to draw his attention away before he fires away at the containment. its such subtle but pivotal things that they usually do that is missed out on broadcasted games that you can pick up from there. so yes while you mass game, also watch their fpvods because it really did help me a bunch.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 20 2013 04:49 GMT
#19
watch the old day9 dailies. Watch them now, watch them over and over every time you hit a different rank, and you'll find them useful in very different ways.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
December 20 2013 04:53 GMT
#20
Youre definitely not alone. The title of this thread should be Brood War's tagline.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
December 20 2013 05:30 GMT
#21
I'm hanging a lot on iccup these days, feel free to add me /f a nG.endy
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StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
December 20 2013 05:51 GMT
#22
Choose one build and practice it over and over
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SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
December 20 2013 06:32 GMT
#23
On December 20 2013 14:51 StutteR wrote:
Choose one build and practice it over and over

Although I don't disagree with the concept, rather hard to pull off as just doing one build for every single game gets very tedious very quickly.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 06:52:11
December 20 2013 06:51 GMT
#24
i remember a really useful hint ..

when i was still starting to play .. i also made a thread and remember that liquid'drone or was it liquid'nazgul i cant seem to remember who said it. anyways that person said to me that "you can make it less mechanically tedious to put all production buildings on one screen "

it was really helpful it actually made my life a little easier when playing .. like for example put all the barracks close to each other and bind the center barracks unto your control group so that when you are macroing you dont forget a single barracks not producing a marine and making it easier in your part to macro since you see them all in one screen ..

i think you get my point
this is a quote
shenryu
Profile Joined December 2011
Malaysia8 Posts
December 20 2013 06:56 GMT
#25
On December 20 2013 08:31 goody153 wrote:
If this helps make you feel any better i kinda lost 10 straight matches before i won 2 matches then proceeded to lose another 7 before winning another one match. That sums up my beginning of broodwar multiplayer. I still feel like shit whenever i play nowadays.

And one more thing. Since you are terran you are not gonna like tvp.


Really....5 losing streak vs protoss , sob sob ....
Jaedong ~ I love You!
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 20 2013 07:20 GMT
#26
There are two ways of playing BW depending on your approach:

The Mechanic way:
Try one of the openings and then focus on building the Tier 1 units, then if you feel that you need to tech up to 2nd tier, go for it and continue to experiment with unit composition until you feel comfortable with all of them. Keep in mind to saturate your bases while produce at high efficiency.

The Strategical way:
Devise your own strategy. If one aspect of your strategy doesn't work, analyze it. Is it a mechanic problem? If so, keep trying that strategy. If its not, then its most likely be the viability of the strat itself, so change it. Evolve the strategy as you play.

You'll end up developing both strategy and mechanics w/ both ways and more or less the same number of games played. It all depends on your gaming mindset.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
December 20 2013 07:24 GMT
#27
On December 20 2013 15:56 shenryu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 08:31 goody153 wrote:
If this helps make you feel any better i kinda lost 10 straight matches before i won 2 matches then proceeded to lose another 7 before winning another one match. That sums up my beginning of broodwar multiplayer. I still feel like shit whenever i play nowadays.

And one more thing. Since you are terran you are not gonna like tvp.


Really....5 losing streak vs protoss , sob sob ....

i played like 7 games against protoss in my first 10 matches and it was a horrible experience .. there are so many protosses in iccup
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
December 20 2013 08:22 GMT
#28
http://www.youtube.com/user/KoreanBW/videos

Just watch some Terran FPVODs should give you a general feel for the game.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
December 20 2013 08:38 GMT
#29
On December 20 2013 13:53 Bibbit wrote:
Youre definitely not alone. The title of this thread should be Brood War's tagline.


Hahaha, pretty much!
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
December 20 2013 13:18 GMT
#30
One big thing, don't forget the f-keys exist. I hate myself for not learning those back when I took playing SC1 seriously.
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shenryu
Profile Joined December 2011
Malaysia8 Posts
December 20 2013 15:16 GMT
#31
On December 20 2013 16:24 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 15:56 shenryu wrote:
On December 20 2013 08:31 goody153 wrote:
If this helps make you feel any better i kinda lost 10 straight matches before i won 2 matches then proceeded to lose another 7 before winning another one match. That sums up my beginning of broodwar multiplayer. I still feel like shit whenever i play nowadays.

And one more thing. Since you are terran you are not gonna like tvp.


Really....5 losing streak vs protoss , sob sob ....

i played like 7 games against protoss in my first 10 matches and it was a horrible experience .. there are so many protosses in iccup


100% agree lolz , for some reason i just had phobia vs protoss lolz
Jaedong ~ I love You!
Me_ToKa
Profile Joined September 2009
Bulgaria309 Posts
December 20 2013 16:13 GMT
#32
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86770
Here you can DL some FPVods with analyse and BOs.
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
December 20 2013 16:42 GMT
#33
It's important to realize that even the top S-class progamers sometimes struggle. No one is perfect at the game, it's just a matter of who is closer to perfect.

I feel like zerg has the hardest time with mechanics. I mean zerglings are so weak, one second you'll have a huge group of them and the next they're all melted already. Especially difficult to have to think about larvae when the other races do not (but they do take money into account of course).

Terran is very powerful and seems to have the most pro support behind it atm. The strategy sections on liquipedia are deeper, and stuff like Light's blog are really helping a lot of people get better at Terran.

That said, play whatever race you feel like, just remember it's a long road.
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fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States788 Posts
December 20 2013 16:47 GMT
#34
On December 20 2013 09:24 DjKniteX wrote:
but I like playing Terran, I like know almost all the hot keys for Terran now and besides its fun. Lol I like plying with vultures

Yeah, just stick with it. No reason to try to learn the "easier" races if it's Terran that you really enjoy playing. And as others have mentioned it will pay off when you get to higher level being Terran.
NAKR`flying
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
December 20 2013 17:02 GMT
#35
Liquipedia is very, very outdated
DjKniteX
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States242 Posts
December 20 2013 18:50 GMT
#36
At least you guys win games, haha, I got a friend to join too and he also sucks at brood war and I can beat him, but we lost to 2v2 AIs, lol...
"You know my methods.... Apply them"
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
December 20 2013 18:51 GMT
#37
On December 21 2013 02:02 rift wrote:
Liquipedia is very, very outdated


help updating it instead of complaining.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
December 20 2013 19:31 GMT
#38
On December 21 2013 03:51 GeckoXp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 02:02 rift wrote:
Liquipedia is very, very outdated


help updating it instead of complaining.

i'm not good enough
epicdoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States489 Posts
December 20 2013 20:19 GMT
#39
On December 20 2013 14:51 StutteR wrote:
Choose one build and practice it over and over


I went from D to D+ just by doing mech on Destination every single game. I agree with the practice one build order. It's not as boring as it sounds as your opponents will have variance to keep you on your toes so you'll have to learn to adjust your build as the game progresses.
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
December 20 2013 23:01 GMT
#40
I'm always up to help you out, just add me on iCCup and we can play together. Learn as we go, I'm not that great myself, so we can practice and both mutually improve.

iCCup ID is RedAxis
twitch.tv/dizzywee
Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
December 20 2013 23:03 GMT
#41
I wanna practice zerg but I am pretty sure D- is waaay better than no rank lol. I dont have a rank.

BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 20 2013 23:15 GMT
#42
On December 21 2013 08:03 Bareleon wrote:
I wanna practice zerg but I am pretty sure D- is waaay better than no rank lol. I dont have a rank.


well, there is D- then E lol so no rank = E. Just play!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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