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shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
August 24 2013 03:23 GMT
#121
On August 24 2013 03:50 LRM)INF3cted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 01:19 konadora wrote:
On August 23 2013 22:39 LRM)INF3cted wrote:
Actually i admire everybody involve in this match fixing scandal.If you a good at something , never do it for free

idiot radar



I`ll not gonna insult anyone here , i explain why i said that.


Selling Crack makes more money than, let's say, cupcakes. Should I be selling crack instead of cupcakes?
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
August 24 2013 04:10 GMT
#122
On August 24 2013 12:23 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 03:50 LRM)INF3cted wrote:
On August 24 2013 01:19 konadora wrote:
On August 23 2013 22:39 LRM)INF3cted wrote:
Actually i admire everybody involve in this match fixing scandal.If you a good at something , never do it for free

idiot radar



I`ll not gonna insult anyone here , i explain why i said that.


Selling Crack makes more money than, let's say, cupcakes. Should I be selling crack instead of cupcakes?

Probably. Do you sell cupcakes for a living? Take the best of both roads, sprinkle a little crack in there.

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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 04:32:25
August 24 2013 04:31 GMT
#123
On August 24 2013 03:47 LRM)INF3cted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 23:40 Heyoka wrote:
On August 23 2013 22:39 LRM)INF3cted wrote:
Actually i admire everybody involve in this match fixing scandal.If you a good at something , never do it for free


You know they were on professional teams right? Ones that paid them money to play? Like, play for real?

I don't even know what you're trying to get at here. Presumably the "good at something" part you're talking about is losing matches? What does that even mean? Surely they couldn't have been that good seeing they got caught, and then banned.


I`ll not gonna argue whit anyone , let me put it clear - If u a smart enough and u see an possibility to get more money or anything that makes you happy or it`s really necessary just DO IT ! You need to have courage to do this , and for me this is the most important , then stand in front of everybody and say "YES I DO THAT". Maybe is way wrong in your eyes , but i can understand it.I think most of us here would do that , mostly whit no regrets.That is the other side of the coin , i`m not old but i lived enough to understand that if u get a chance u need to take it.


This really seems almost like it must be a troll. Do you realize what you can rationalize with it?

To start off on the ridiculous side, let's say I am one of those truly bizzare individuals that find it fulfilling and fun to torture and kill people. Under this logic, why can't I? I REALLY need it to feel normal and good about myself, and it makes me very happy to do so. Now, that is a VERY dramatic example, and dangerously close to rationalizable under your logic.

A slightly less extreme example is the guy that is trying to make ends meet for his family and realizes with his skills and intelligence he could make a great hitman. He then goes out and begins ruining the lives of others and their families by killing off targets. By your logic this seems to be absolutely, totally okay. I find it difficult to believe you think that would ever in any situation, be acceptable.

Then to a less extreme example, but I can show you can rationalize nearly every example of cheating. Let's take the egregious example of a decent, but not quite top level sprinter struggling to make ends meet. He sees the possibility that is he takes DHEA, HGH, and testosterone, etc he can get get good enough to medal @ the Olympics. He is a smart guy, and knows how to avoid all the testing protocols and cycle off correctly to avoid detection. It would make him really happy to get this medal, and needs the money...it's tough scraping by on my 20k per year.

None of those examples are courageous. They are the polar opposite of that. Each of those individuals is a massive coward that tried to take an easy way out (except for perhaps the psycho killer)l. That's the epitome of cowardice. It takes no guts to "win at all costs", what takes guts is staying true to your principles when faced with adversity.

EDIT: I honestly cannot believe that you believe what you are saying. Are we mis-understanding what you are trying to communicate?


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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
August 24 2013 14:25 GMT
#124
On August 24 2013 13:31 L_Master wrote:
None of those examples are courageous. They are the polar opposite of that. Each of those individuals is a massive coward that tried to take an easy way out (except for perhaps the psycho killer)l. That's the epitome of cowardice. It takes no guts to "win at all costs", what takes guts is staying true to your principles when faced with adversity.

EDIT: I honestly cannot believe that you believe what you are saying. Are we mis-understanding what you are trying to communicate?


that was the entire point of this interview, to admit his guilt. not that he knew he was 'selling crack', but more of the fact he "lied on his resume to get the job/money".
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Artunit
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines399 Posts
August 24 2013 14:47 GMT
#125
On August 24 2013 03:47 LRM)INF3cted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 23:40 Heyoka wrote:
On August 23 2013 22:39 LRM)INF3cted wrote:
Actually i admire everybody involve in this match fixing scandal.If you a good at something , never do it for free


You know they were on professional teams right? Ones that paid them money to play? Like, play for real?

I don't even know what you're trying to get at here. Presumably the "good at something" part you're talking about is losing matches? What does that even mean? Surely they couldn't have been that good seeing they got caught, and then banned.


I`ll not gonna argue whit anyone , let me put it clear - If u a smart enough and u see an possibility to get more money or anything that makes you happy or it`s really necessary just DO IT ! You need to have courage to do this , and for me this is the most important , then stand in front of everybody and say "YES I DO THAT". Maybe is way wrong in your eyes , but i can understand it.I think most of us here would do that , mostly whit no regrets.That is the other side of the coin , i`m not old but i lived enough to understand that if u get a chance u need to take it.


But how about the people who cheered, believed and even loved you? people that even in times when you are not so doing well never abandon you? Isn't it unfair? I mean doing what makes you happy is always a good thing but the moment you start hurting someone or something that's not good anymore even if what you are doing makes you happy. Because I think what you are saying is called being selfish. Just my 2 cents.
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
August 24 2013 16:25 GMT
#126
Interesting interview thanks for translating.
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
August 24 2013 17:14 GMT
#127
it takes alot of guts to admit something like this and talk about it.

alot of repsect for hwasin for this.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
August 24 2013 17:23 GMT
#128
I really miss the BW days. We had heroes-villains, rivalry-friendships, relief-anxiety, joy-anguish. The players have distinct personality and play style. I really hope that lotv does something drastic to SC2 instead of some extra units.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 24 2013 17:27 GMT
#129
As many negatives are there are, I think the positive thing to mention is that at least he's found some sort of livelihood in his life now.
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1970 Posts
August 24 2013 19:06 GMT
#130
Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that.


This.
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Azelja
Profile Joined May 2011
Japan762 Posts
August 24 2013 22:47 GMT
#131
=I

... Hwasin...
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 25 2013 03:30 GMT
#132
May you lead a prosperous life from now on hwasin we can't go back in time to fix the past but our future we can do something about it..
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 25 2013 04:13 GMT
#133
On August 25 2013 04:06 TaShadan wrote:
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Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that.


This.

You guys are seriously deluded if you think BW was going to go on without end, ad inifnitum, and that the end of BW came because of the match fixing scandal.
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
August 25 2013 04:35 GMT
#134
Thanks for the translation! Really wanted to know how hwasin has been. I wish him the best
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Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
August 25 2013 05:04 GMT
#135
Man, some people are just being really selfish here. This is a young man who has suffered more deeply than most of us could ever imagine at his age. He made two mistakes, the only victim of which was the reputation of an entertainment business, and the pain he went through was 10 times what he deserved. Some folks are in here wishing his life (and all the other guilty players' lives) was scarred even more deeply because you have some unproven feeling that he cut your entertainment a little short. That makes me a bit upset, it does.
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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
August 25 2013 05:27 GMT
#136
On August 25 2013 14:04 Kitai wrote:
Man, some people are just being really selfish here. This is a young man who has suffered more deeply than most of us could ever imagine at his age. He made two mistakes, the only victim of which was the reputation of an entertainment business, and the pain he went through was 10 times what he deserved. Some folks are in here wishing his life (and all the other guilty players' lives) was scarred even more deeply because you have some unproven feeling that he cut your entertainment a little short. That makes me a bit upset, it does.


nobody is going to agree with you that it was ten times what he deserved in form of 'punishment' or negative experiences.
What people are expressing is disgust and hate.
The punishment he received was only to be expected and if not, then we'd truly have the beginnings of what would be a corrupt e-sports scene. Now that hatred towards the player or in his general direction is communicated through wanting more 'justice' or simply wanting them to disappear from sight. I'd say those are completely normal feelings to have.

He had two influential mistakes that he had the clear conscience not to make and the ironic situation about it is that he would have enjoyed the game more, and the results of the games themselves could have been a win or loss in just the same places.

You are not suddenly disallowed from being able to have selfish feelings when the causes of them are from someone who made selfish choices.
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Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 05:35:13
August 25 2013 05:29 GMT
#137
On August 25 2013 14:04 Kitai wrote:
Man, some people are just being really selfish here. This is a young man who has suffered more deeply than most of us could ever imagine at his age. He made two mistakes, the only victim of which was the reputation of an entertainment business, and the pain he went through was 10 times what he deserved. Some folks are in here wishing his life (and all the other guilty players' lives) was scarred even more deeply because you have some unproven feeling that he cut your entertainment a little short. That makes me a bit upset, it does.

Him and the other players deserved what they got and I'd say they're lucky that there wasn't anything else.
People make mistakes and it's great to see him step up and come out with this interview as well as seeing that's hes wanting to be more of an honest man.
"So I turned the lights off at night and practiced by myself"
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
August 25 2013 05:46 GMT
#138
Savior seems so evil...
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 25 2013 06:14 GMT
#139
On August 25 2013 14:46 Wildmoon wrote:
Savior seems so evil...

your sig fits this well lol.

Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
September 01 2013 14:39 GMT
#140
On August 23 2013 10:18 Kal_rA wrote:
Korean punishments are pretty brutal. Kid made a mistake. Mind you, its a big one... but still he was just a kid. Shame that this is going to follow him for the rest of his life.

Korean punishments are pretty brutal in the wrong places...

Case 1: Person rapes another person or kills a person and the punishment pales in comparison to what is usually given in America...

Case 2: Person badmouths Korea on xanga while he's training to be a kpop boy band and 5 years afterwards, someone digs up this post, and he gets run out of the country because so many people are posting hateful remarks towards him on forums.

Personally, as a Korean, I resent the fact the government is so lenient on bigger crimes while seemingly lesser crimes are relatively harsh. It's like everything's more in the middle. There's no getting off unharmed, but then there's no extreme punishments (such as life sentences) either...

But more to the post, sad to see Hwasin, who seems genuinely repentant, to not even be able to witness STX win their last SPL-related game. He wasn't bad even~ and I'm kind of resenting Savior for not even talking to Hwasin after all this happened. What a loser of him....
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