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konadora
Singapore66365 Posts
On August 23 2013 22:39 LRM)INF3cted wrote: Actually i admire everybody involve in this match fixing scandal.If you a good at something , never do it for free  idiot radar | ||
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Poetic[AoV]
United Kingdom183 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 23 2013 23:59 itsjustatank wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142554 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257667 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258396 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355060 yeah no link at all i think. judging by your response above, I think you understand now I can't fully comment on whether the scandal played a role in the decline of BW but I found the part about smartphones and SNS playing a role very interesting and could explain part of the decline: On July 23 2012 11:11 JunkkaGom wrote: Let me explain the matter with smartphones and SNS. There has been numerous articles about this recently in Korea. Back in 90's and 2000's the trend was to enjoy gaming together. Together I mean as going to PC bang and play with friends side by side. My generation is the generation that went to arcade and played console together with friends. The trend now is much more individual. Now every person has their own PC and smartphones. Because of internet and various appliances, one can be connected with others without actually physically being together. The trend is also clear in PCbangs, which originally started out as a place to play game 'together' with others. In my days we went to Pcbang after school and played team game of BW or Counter Strike, etc. Now the game is more diverse. You see more and more people who come alone and play game of their own taste. Because of better technology more people play game at their home. It is no longer a neccesity to play and enjoy same game as others as you can still be part of the 'gang' and feel you belong somewhere through SNS and smartphone. Gaming is no longer considered group activity but rather an individual hobby. Will people still go to PC bang and play games with friends? Sure, but they can also stay home and meet them on internet. Will people still go to gaming event to watch pro gamers play? Sure, but they can also stay home and watch on internet, while chatting with friends. Enjoying game as being part of physical group is no longer the big thing. This is the reason why people(or so these articles claim) that while eSports will definitely grow it will be difficult to see a single game dominating entire population and creating the phenomenon BW did. The scene needs to evolve to meet the demand of viewers that are becoming more and more diverse. One can no longer make huge investment in single game and expect great success as easily as before. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 23 2013 21:57 itsdaniel wrote: sad to see so many people being pro hwasin...even though he was a great player and i still think about him sometimes, i think that the punishment should have been even harder. It is unknown what would have happened to the SC scene without the scandal... Hwasin was not the instigator, was under some amount of pressure, and seems remorseful. Most of what happened would still have happened even if Hwasin personally did not match-fix. | ||
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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LRM)INF3cted
Bulgaria242 Posts
On August 23 2013 23:40 Heyoka wrote: You know they were on professional teams right? Ones that paid them money to play? Like, play for real? I don't even know what you're trying to get at here. Presumably the "good at something" part you're talking about is losing matches? What does that even mean? Surely they couldn't have been that good seeing they got caught, and then banned. I`ll not gonna argue whit anyone , let me put it clear - If u a smart enough and u see an possibility to get more money or anything that makes you happy or it`s really necessary just DO IT ! You need to have courage to do this , and for me this is the most important , then stand in front of everybody and say "YES I DO THAT". Maybe is way wrong in your eyes , but i can understand it.I think most of us here would do that , mostly whit no regrets.That is the other side of the coin , i`m not old but i lived enough to understand that if u get a chance u need to take it. | ||
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LRM)INF3cted
Bulgaria242 Posts
I`ll not gonna insult anyone here , i explain why i said that. | ||
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
, let me put it clear - If u a smart enough and u see an possibility to get more money or anything that makes you happy or it`s really necessary just DO IT ! Isn't that like a justification for any money related crime ever? From robbing a house to white collar bank defrauding? If you're smart enough, just do it. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On August 24 2013 03:47 LRM)INF3cted wrote: That's some one sided life lessons you learned.I`ll not gonna argue whit anyone , let me put it clear - If u a smart enough and u see an possibility to get more money or anything that makes you happy or it`s really necessary just DO IT ! You need to have courage to do this , and for me this is the most important , then stand in front of everybody and say "YES I DO THAT". Maybe is way wrong in your eyes , but i can understand it.I think most of us here would do that , mostly whit no regrets.That is the other side of the coin , i`m not old but i lived enough to understand that if u get a chance u need to take it. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 24 2013 03:51 Falling wrote: Isn't that like a justification for any money related crime ever? From robbing a house to white collar bank defrauding? If you're smart enough, just do it. I'm sure he means doing that provided you aren't harming anyone(physically and not gambling I guess). | ||
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LRM)INF3cted
Bulgaria242 Posts
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
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SpeaKEaSY
United States1070 Posts
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Lordanubis
United Kingdom198 Posts
From reading this, it's very clear that Hwasin has done just that and I wish him well for the future. He may have done wrong, but this was not an irredeemable crime - not even Savior is irredeemable to my mind, if he can eventually confront what he did. Credit to Hwasin for this, and I hope we see more follow suit. | ||
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Dragonmaster26
Australia311 Posts
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
Of course, we can only take his words at face value, only his long time friends can ever validate if his emotions in the interview are true. Q: Tell us honestly, why (did you) agree to matchfixing back then? A: First of all, everything I say now will come off as making excuses, but I still have to say it, I was in a very difficult position emotionally back then. There were bad things that happened at home, even though I had a salary, I didn't make much money. | ||
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andreyyisbestandrey
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