EPTHwasin Apologizes for Match Fixing - Page 5
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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itsdaniel
Austria334 Posts
Hwasin seems to keep doing fine as I heard fan girls still follow him into supermarkets, Savior still tries hard to stay out of the picture of his model girlfriend's stream so at least it has some kind of happy end for these guys... | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
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Grettin
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LRM)INF3cted
Bulgaria242 Posts
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On August 23 2013 22:39 LRM)INF3cted wrote: Actually i admire everybody involve in this match fixing scandal.If you a good at something , never do it for free Good at losing on purpose? | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
I hope he's well, other than that though | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On August 23 2013 21:57 itsdaniel wrote: sad to see so many people being pro hwasin...even though he was a great player and i still think about him sometimes, i think that the punishment should have been even harder. It is unknown what would have happened to the SC scene without the scandal... Hwasin seems to keep doing fine as I heard fan girls still follow him into supermarkets, Savior still tries hard to stay out of the picture of his model girlfriend's stream so at least it has some kind of happy end for these guys... I don't agree with people who believe that broodwar's decline was linked with the matchfixing scandal. It was declining already. I doubt the match-fixing did much at all. As shown by the support in this thread, and as witnessed by the fact Hwasin still has well-wishers. And that's just on a forgiveness level. Did people really stop watching professional broodwar because a few players were selfish for a small period of time? I'd be surprised. | ||
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Madder
Australia427 Posts
On August 23 2013 23:19 Subversive wrote: I don't agree with people who believe that broodwar's decline was linked with the matchfixing scandal. It was declining already. I doubt the match-fixing did much at all. Did people really stop watching professional broodwar because a few players were selfish for a small period of time? I'd be surprised. Agreed. People prefer to filter out this crucial bit of information for some reason. | ||
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
On August 23 2013 23:19 Subversive wrote: I don't agree with people who believe that broodwar's decline was linked with the matchfixing scandal. It was declining already. I doubt the match-fixing did much at all. As shown by the support in this thread, and as witnessed by the fact Hwasin still has well-wishers. And that's just on a forgiveness level. Did people really stop watching professional broodwar because a few players were selfish for a small period of time? I'd be surprised. I think you underestimate how big the scandal was for the probably the biggest game in the history of e-sports for Korea. I don't think many people stopped watching.. but sponsors man.. sponsors got turned off by this big time. | ||
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
EDIT: You could probably see the trend with MBCGame's sponsors after GOMTV. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On August 23 2013 22:39 LRM)INF3cted wrote: Actually i admire everybody involve in this match fixing scandal.If you a good at something , never do it for free You know they were on professional teams right? Ones that paid them money to play? Like, play for real? I don't even know what you're trying to get at here. Presumably the "good at something" part you're talking about is losing matches? What does that even mean? Surely they couldn't have been that good seeing they got caught, and then banned. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On August 23 2013 23:37 Sephy90 wrote: I think you underestimate how big the scandal was for the probably the biggest game in the history of e-sports for Korea. I don't think many people stopped watching.. but sponsors man.. sponsors got turned off by this big time. Yeah good point. I would have thought the sponsors would have just been interested in exposure and audience numbers, but being associated with cheats if you're a team or league sponsor can't be something you want. | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4338 Posts
I always liked his playstyle. | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9164 Posts
On August 23 2013 23:19 Subversive wrote: I don't agree with people who believe that broodwar's decline was linked with the matchfixing scandal. It was declining already. I doubt the match-fixing did much at all. As shown by the support in this thread, and as witnessed by the fact Hwasin still has well-wishers. And that's just on a forgiveness level. Did people really stop watching professional broodwar because a few players were selfish for a small period of time? I'd be surprised. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142554 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257667 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258396 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355060 yeah no link at all i think. judging by your response above, I think you understand now | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On August 23 2013 23:59 itsjustatank wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142554 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257667 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258396 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355060 yeah no link at all i think. judging by your response above, I think you understand now The teams folding is a sign of the decline. Whether the match-fixing was a primary cause or not isn't clear. Edit: eSTRO is the only team you could make a strong argument for, as it happened within months (despite estro commenting they'd been wanting to sell for some time - so one could actually infer that means more than 3 months). In MBC's case they switched from a gaming channel to a music channel. And along with WeMade and Oz they disbanded 1 year and 3 months later. And ACE sited the rise of smartphones etc which John went into more detail explaining in the post you linked (2 years and 2 months after the scandal). It's not like all the teams folded instantly or that audience numbers hadn't already been declining. Whether this was all predestined or whether match-fixing destroyed broodwar overnight is completely debatable and subjective. | ||
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
Imo it is a shame that all these matchfixing scandal happend, but what is the use of blaming people -_- ; at least hwasin did proper apology and he shall move on | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On August 23 2013 21:34 myminerals wrote: This is so ridiculous, international sport is over head and ears in matchfixing and dope scandals. How many sportsmen went to army or exiled themselves in manual labor? How many of them actually admitted it and how much time did it actually take? Every man in South Korea has mandatory army service so....every single player who did mach fixing? Hell, even the behind the scenes match fixers were probably in the army. It feels to me like people are trying a bit too hard to make Savior into the big bad guy of the match fixing. No matter how much he did, in the end each and every one of the players decided for themselves to fix matches. | ||
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
On August 24 2013 00:42 Nitan wrote: Every man in South Korea has mandatory army service so....every single player who did mach fixing? Hell, even the behind the scenes match fixers were probably in the army. It feels to me like people are trying a bit too hard to make Savior into the big bad guy of the match fixing. No matter how much he did, in the end each and every one of the players decided for themselves to fix matches. Dude, I don't want to hate Savior, I loved watching the Maestro back in the day. It's just that every other player hints at him being the ringleader, and using his status as superstar bonjwa to coerce people into doing it. Plus, he's not exactly repentant. Like I said before, no one knows for sure what exactly happened behind the scenes, but it seems like everything points to Savior playing a large role in it. | ||
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