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P7GAB
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada486 Posts
August 23 2013 04:42 GMT
#41
Don't like what he did, but feel terrible for him
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 23 2013 05:04 GMT
#42
I never liked the Red Sniper and I do find it funny that this comes up now. If there is one thing I'm a good judge of it's character and this guy always rubbed me the wrong way long before the special event where there was arguably collusion as well. Anyway, we've been over this so probably doesn't need to be brought up again.
Byzantium
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
August 23 2013 05:08 GMT
#43
This was a tough read, but I'm glad it got translated. Hard to mediate between my disappointment and resentment at people involved in the scandal and the associated damage it did to the game, and the sympathy that comes with seeing a person for whom one singular mistake defines a large part of their life.
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xxxxxxb
Profile Joined October 2009
155 Posts
August 23 2013 05:36 GMT
#44
The military service part felt wrong since He already got punished by justice and Kespa. Although people can always argue if it wasn't enough.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
August 23 2013 05:38 GMT
#45
I see that he doesn't have the 'cool guy' approach to this situation in life, but i can understand how he would want to formally apologize and address things.

It's all completely understandable, but unnecessary. If you want to be remembered for your finer and more positive points, keep those people who believe in you close. I really do not hope that he thinks an apology will simply swing heads his way, but i'm glad he understands that the issue was created by his own actions.
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Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
August 23 2013 05:41 GMT
#46
Recently STX Soul won in the SPL. I really wanted to go to the live venue to cheer for them, but if I went, how would the team look like? So I couldn't appear at the venue, I just used my phone to send congratulatory messages. Even though this might seem like gloating, but in reality I'm deeply regretful inside.

I guess that's the right translation but it's a bit odd that anyone would think he'd be "gloating" about his team winning when he was not at all a part of their team during the victory (not even as a b/c-teamer that didn't play), so as a person with no claim to the glory, would anyone really think he came across that way?
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MarklarMarklarr
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Fiji226 Posts
August 23 2013 05:53 GMT
#47
On August 23 2013 12:20 itsjustatank wrote:
I'd rather him go away and never surface again.


I'd rather you grow some empathic ability for someone who certainly has suffered tremendously because of his actions. Sure he was part of those who took the esports purity, but that wasn't going to last anyway. Where there is betting, there is matchfixing, and most people are by nature corruptable.
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BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
August 23 2013 05:59 GMT
#48
Damn, feel bad for him after reading that. Also, every time I start to think "maybe it's time to forgive savior" it comes out how much of a ringleader and intimidator he was behind the scenes (allegedly, none of us know 100% of course). If I'm reading this correctly, hwasin is saying that savior told him an opening, but he still lost, and then he felt pressured to drop the game to Kal to make up for it. He didn't realize how big of a mistake he made until he'd done it and couldn't take it back. I feel bad for him regardless, he seems sincere.

I hope hwasin gets past this now that he's paid his dues, but sadly I think he'll carry it with him for a long time.
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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
August 23 2013 06:07 GMT
#49
Bit by it, we have to learn to forgive. Right now honestly, only Savior is, to my mind, the unforgivable - not because he was the mastermind, but because he was unrepentant (and even pushed his coach to lie/stand up for him)
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
August 23 2013 06:24 GMT
#50
Random question: If you got banned by Kespa from Professional Starcraft, Can you still play independently in Non-Korean competitions?
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iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
August 23 2013 06:56 GMT
#51
Thats why we carry our mistakes, to learn from them.
I made many mistakes in my life, but only those that costed me something very important to me teached me an important lesson.

Thats why id like to have a time machine, but life almost never gives you second chances.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 07:04:49
August 23 2013 06:59 GMT
#52
I feel sorry for him. He is smart and I'm sure he will be fine. But at that age everybody makes mistakes. It happened that his mistakes were bigger. That was because he worked hard and became part of a pro-team.

As children we are taught to not steal, to not lie and stuff like that. Unfortunately we are not told explicitly how serious things like match fixing are.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
August 23 2013 07:01 GMT
#53
On August 23 2013 14:41 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
Show nested quote +
Recently STX Soul won in the SPL. I really wanted to go to the live venue to cheer for them, but if I went, how would the team look like? So I couldn't appear at the venue, I just used my phone to send congratulatory messages. Even though this might seem like gloating, but in reality I'm deeply regretful inside.

I guess that's the right translation but it's a bit odd that anyone would think he'd be "gloating" about his team winning when he was not at all a part of their team during the victory (not even as a b/c-teamer that didn't play), so as a person with no claim to the glory, would anyone really think he came across that way?


I interpreted more like he'd just be disgracing the team.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
August 23 2013 07:25 GMT
#54
So many T1s here .. Where are the STX People??

Red Sniper forever~
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
August 23 2013 07:28 GMT
#55
Guys can you tell me what his 2nd match fixing game was? Was it against Luxury when Savior told him Luxury's opening or was it against Kal?
hey man just curious
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
August 23 2013 07:29 GMT
#56
On August 23 2013 16:28 Levistus wrote:
Guys can you tell me what his 2nd match fixing game was? Was it against Luxury when Savior told him Luxury's opening or was it against Kal?


I think it was him vs Leta?
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 07:33:55
August 23 2013 07:33 GMT
#57
I wish those '120 hours of community sevice' were 120 hours of streaming on Afreeca games between the offenders.

Those guys messed up really hard, but it shouldn't nullify all the good things they did to E-Sports. At least not completely...
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 23 2013 07:33 GMT
#58
On August 23 2013 15:24 shin_toss wrote:
Random question: If you got banned by Kespa from Professional Starcraft, Can you still play independently in Non-Korean competitions?
I think so; if the competitions are unrelated to kespa, that is.
I doubt an eventual return would be worthwhile due to potential drama, though. (or maybe that's too sc2-esque thinking)

AssiRoyal
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Germany216 Posts
August 23 2013 07:40 GMT
#59
wow, didnt see this one coming

Hwasin vs Luxury
this game looks like it was rigged too, but he doesnt mention it...
mb it wasnt rigged after all?
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 07:45:34
August 23 2013 07:44 GMT
#60
Poor kid. I always felt semi sorry for the ones caught in the scandal. Training in Korea is brutal and the pressure vs the reward is terrible.

Q: Tell us honestly, why (did you) agree to matchfixing back then?

A: First of all, everything I say now will come off as making excuses, but I still have to say it, I was in a very difficult position emotionally back then. There were bad things that happened at home, even though I had a salary, I didn't make much money. Every day was becoming more difficult than the last, suddenly one day Ma Jae Hoon gave me this suggestion


Sounds like he didn't have money and his family needed it. I was never a fan of Hwasin, I felt more sorry that Upmagic was involved but this is really sad.

Q: Do you hate Ma Jae Hoon who originally gave you the suggestion?

A: Initially I really did hate him, but more so I was fearful of him.


He was possibly fearful for things Savior might say in court, but this sounds so bad. Savior comes across as this shady mobster.
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