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On August 25 2013 13:13 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 04:06 TaShadan wrote:Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that. This. You guys are seriously deluded if you think BW was going to go on without end, ad inifnitum, and that the end of BW came because of the match fixing scandal.
This. 9001 times this.
Blame Blizzard for their feud with Kespa, or blame the fact that a huge game catered towards the mainstream came out in the mean time. But to hold so much grudge for a bunch of kids that were too young and naive to know what they were really getting into (and didn't make bank off it anyway), you have to be really fucking jaded and unreasonable and/or delusional.
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Everyone make mistakes, even big ones. Most of us are fortunate enough to make them in private or when we're too young for it to matter.
He was a good player, just wish he had been stronger when he needed to be. I'm sure if he talked to just a few other people he trusted he wouldn't have done it, but that's the nature of this. He paints Savior as the bigger villain, but Savior was influenced by bad people too. You just have to be strong enough to break than chain. Of course I wish Savior had been strong enough, because he was the one that created so many more links ;p
All sports have match-fixing, especially when they're young. BW actually was recovering pretty well from it before it got hit over the head with IP shenanigans. The match fixing was in reality a very small number of games thrown by a very small number of players, and most fans could see that and reasonably say it was terrible, but it didn't make the whole scene a lie.
The only way I could connect the match-fixing to the real reason for BW dying is if Blizzard saw it and got really pissed off and that's when they decided to take a shit on the scene... and I don't think that's what happened at all ;p
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On September 02 2013 00:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 13:13 koreasilver wrote:On August 25 2013 04:06 TaShadan wrote:Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that. This. You guys are seriously deluded if you think BW was going to go on without end, ad inifnitum, and that the end of BW came because of the match fixing scandal. This. 9001 times this. Blame Blizzard for their feud with Kespa, or blame the fact that a huge game catered towards the mainstream came out in the mean time. But to hold so much grudge for a bunch of kids that were too young and naive to know what they were really getting into (and didn't make bank off it anyway), you have to be really fucking jaded and unreasonable and/or delusional.
Where did the guy say he placed the blame solely on them?
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On September 02 2013 00:34 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 00:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 25 2013 13:13 koreasilver wrote:On August 25 2013 04:06 TaShadan wrote:Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that. This. You guys are seriously deluded if you think BW was going to go on without end, ad inifnitum, and that the end of BW came because of the match fixing scandal. This. 9001 times this. Blame Blizzard for their feud with Kespa, or blame the fact that a huge game catered towards the mainstream came out in the mean time. But to hold so much grudge for a bunch of kids that were too young and naive to know what they were really getting into (and didn't make bank off it anyway), you have to be really fucking jaded and unreasonable and/or delusional. Where did the guy say he placed the blame solely on them?
guessing this part:
"Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that." although he didn't solely but felt like they were responsible for BW's demise.
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On September 02 2013 00:34 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 00:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 25 2013 13:13 koreasilver wrote:On August 25 2013 04:06 TaShadan wrote:Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that. This. You guys are seriously deluded if you think BW was going to go on without end, ad inifnitum, and that the end of BW came because of the match fixing scandal. This. 9001 times this. Blame Blizzard for their feud with Kespa, or blame the fact that a huge game catered towards the mainstream came out in the mean time. But to hold so much grudge for a bunch of kids that were too young and naive to know what they were really getting into (and didn't make bank off it anyway), you have to be really fucking jaded and unreasonable and/or delusional. Where did the guy say he placed the blame solely on them?
Match fixing does not kill off sports, and it happens much more often than people would like to believe.
Placing any amount of blame on them for the demise of BW as a professional sport in Korea is absurd. You can blame them for being involved in shady business, for doing unethical/immoral things, for betraying the fans' trust, or for being stupid. But you can't blame them for the fact that Brood War met an untimely demise.
It's like saying a pool of hot water froze over because someone chucked an ice cube in there. No, it wasn't the ice cube, it was the blizzard that froze the pool. (pun intended)
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On September 02 2013 00:37 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 00:34 StarStruck wrote:On September 02 2013 00:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 25 2013 13:13 koreasilver wrote:On August 25 2013 04:06 TaShadan wrote:Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that. This. You guys are seriously deluded if you think BW was going to go on without end, ad inifnitum, and that the end of BW came because of the match fixing scandal. This. 9001 times this. Blame Blizzard for their feud with Kespa, or blame the fact that a huge game catered towards the mainstream came out in the mean time. But to hold so much grudge for a bunch of kids that were too young and naive to know what they were really getting into (and didn't make bank off it anyway), you have to be really fucking jaded and unreasonable and/or delusional. Where did the guy say he placed the blame solely on them? guessing this part: "Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that." although he didn't solely but felt like they were responsible for BW's demise.
No where did they say that was the only cause. It's just one variable in the equation.
On September 02 2013 00:42 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 00:34 StarStruck wrote:On September 02 2013 00:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 25 2013 13:13 koreasilver wrote:On August 25 2013 04:06 TaShadan wrote:Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that. This. You guys are seriously deluded if you think BW was going to go on without end, ad inifnitum, and that the end of BW came because of the match fixing scandal. This. 9001 times this. Blame Blizzard for their feud with Kespa, or blame the fact that a huge game catered towards the mainstream came out in the mean time. But to hold so much grudge for a bunch of kids that were too young and naive to know what they were really getting into (and didn't make bank off it anyway), you have to be really fucking jaded and unreasonable and/or delusional. Where did the guy say he placed the blame solely on them? Match fixing does not kill off sports, and it happens much more often than people would like to believe. Placing any amount of blame on them for the demise of BW as a professional sport in Korea is absurd. You can blame them for being involved in shady business, for doing unethical/immoral things, for betraying the fans' trust, or for being stupid. But you can't blame them for the fact that Brood War met an untimely demise. It's like saying a pool of hot water froze over because someone chucked an ice cube in there. No, it wasn't the ice cube, it was the blizzard that froze the pool. (pun intended)
No one said kill and no one said it was the sole reason. You guys are reading too much in a tongue-and-cheek comment where people are still pissy at players. His one-liner was nowhere near over the top as you and the other guy are making it out top. Match fixing does put a black eye on sports. It has all sorts of negative impact & it cannot be undone. Look how SaviOr is still affected. Have you ever seen his chat on afreeca? Oh lordy. Koreans are pretty heavy when it comes to honor and discipline. Once again, it is a variable and to say it wasn't is silly and it isn't the only one. Off the top of my head I could list ten and they each have varying affects. At the end of the day it comes down to reputation oh and it wasn't untimely. It was going to happen regardless once you line up all the dominoes it just makes sense.
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On September 02 2013 00:49 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 00:37 BigFan wrote:On September 02 2013 00:34 StarStruck wrote:On September 02 2013 00:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 25 2013 13:13 koreasilver wrote:On August 25 2013 04:06 TaShadan wrote:Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that. This. You guys are seriously deluded if you think BW was going to go on without end, ad inifnitum, and that the end of BW came because of the match fixing scandal. This. 9001 times this. Blame Blizzard for their feud with Kespa, or blame the fact that a huge game catered towards the mainstream came out in the mean time. But to hold so much grudge for a bunch of kids that were too young and naive to know what they were really getting into (and didn't make bank off it anyway), you have to be really fucking jaded and unreasonable and/or delusional. Where did the guy say he placed the blame solely on them? guessing this part: "Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that." although he didn't solely but felt like they were responsible for BW's demise. No where did they say that was the only cause. It's just one variable in the equation.
never disagreed with you, just saying. I think MasterOfPuppets makes a very valid point.
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Yeah, but you guys were reading too much into what the other guy was saying is the only point I'm trying to make. If he flew right over the cuckoo's nest then I would be all over him too, but he didn't. That's not what he was insinuating.
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On September 02 2013 00:59 StarStruck wrote:
Yeah, but you guys were reading too much into what the other guy was saying is the only point I'm trying to make. If he flew right over the cuckoo's nest then I would be all over him too, but he didn't. That's not what he was insinuating.
fair enough, maybe I was.
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This interview made me really sad, poor Hwasin.
On August 23 2013 16:45 Elroi wrote:
I will always remember Hwasin as an incredible terran player the red sniper.
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Further demonizing Ma Jae Yoon!
I do feel like this article sheds some light one what was going through their heads during the scandal because I honestly don't think many of them realized how much harm their actions could cause.
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I just realized sAviOr's name is misspelled in the OP... >_>
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Wow people in the military interrogating him for match fixing, that sucks...
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but for me the day I heard about the match-fixing and the reactions on it was the day I really felt that eSports was an almost full grown sport.
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i feel a little bad for Hwasin and Somehow feel like hate Jaehoon and so many people like that ( like Jaehoon obv ) are still in the community, literally dozens, already met few of them, thx fu stay away ( please )
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... - guys borrowing money, coming with business, happy fellas, nice guys, mates, all around, mostly people who on your field for your money, for you health, for your Dignity gonna make twice or even tripple... even infinite you don't stop please be aware and please give notice to the community, Then You Gonna make Twice, or even infinately more... because You gonna gain Trust, Love, Support and Protection of All people around you ( that you just potentially helped )
sincerely
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EDIT: Oh, I forgot to add - supervisors and CEO's ( no offence )
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On September 02 2013 06:23 krzych113 wrote:
... - guys borrowing money, coming with business, happy fellas, nice guys, mates, all around, mostly people who on your field for your money, for you health, for your Dignity gonna make twice or even tripple... even infinite you don't stop please be aware and please give notice to the community, Then You Gonna make Twice, or even infinately more... because You gonna gain Trust, Love, Support and Protection of All people around you ( that you just potentially helped )
sincerely
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could you explain word Intelligible Mod ? because what is in your opinion I don't think until to This Day it pretty Much Is ( example above - first page )
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Strange hearing an interview like this so long after the fact...interesting...
I will never forget that single most glorious moment when he sniped an evo chamber with a 1hp marine dodging like 5 lurker shots.
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On September 02 2013 07:41 LuckyFool wrote:
Strange hearing an interview like this so long after the fact...interesting...
I will never forget that single most glorious moment when he sniped an evo chamber with a 1hp marine dodging like 5 lurker shots.
vods? That sounds amazing lol
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On September 02 2013 00:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 13:13 koreasilver wrote:On August 25 2013 04:06 TaShadan wrote:Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that. This. You guys are seriously deluded if you think BW was going to go on without end, ad inifnitum, and that the end of BW came because of the match fixing scandal. This. 9001 times this. Blame Blizzard for their feud with Kespa, or blame the fact that a huge game catered towards the mainstream came out in the mean time. But to hold so much grudge for a bunch of kids that were too young and naive to know what they were really getting into (and didn't make bank off it anyway), you have to be really fucking jaded and unreasonable and/or delusional.
First, there isn't one single reason that neatly caused BW to disappear. The scandal pretty much destroyed hite sparkyz because most of the fixers came from that team. That didn't affect the state of BW?
You know what's sadder than the scandal itself? All the fans who supported savior even after the scandal. And when confronted about savior's immorality, they used a convenient excuse that savior was just "young" and "naive" to know any better. Sorry, that's bullshit.
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