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On September 02 2013 08:10 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 00:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 25 2013 13:13 koreasilver wrote:On August 25 2013 04:06 TaShadan wrote:Still, you and the other took part in BW's demise. I cant forgive that. This. You guys are seriously deluded if you think BW was going to go on without end, ad inifnitum, and that the end of BW came because of the match fixing scandal. This. 9001 times this. Blame Blizzard for their feud with Kespa, or blame the fact that a huge game catered towards the mainstream came out in the mean time. But to hold so much grudge for a bunch of kids that were too young and naive to know what they were really getting into (and didn't make bank off it anyway), you have to be really fucking jaded and unreasonable and/or delusional. First, there isn't one single reason that neatly caused BW to disappear. The scandal pretty much destroyed hite sparkyz because most of the fixers came from that team. That didn't affect the state of BW? You know what's sadder than the scandal itself? All the fans who supported savior even after the scandal. And when confronted about savior's immorality, they used a convenient excuse that savior was just "young" and "naive" to know any better. Sorry, that's bullshit.
Wow... yeah I'm sure sAviOr planned to destroy Brood War, he must've been some real evil mastermind irl...
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Dude I'm sorry you're bitter, but if you really think their actions were anything more than selfish and short-sighted, that's absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention renouncing one of the most brilliant minds to ever touch this game, but hey there you go... some people just can't get over it.
If you really think someone that age fully understands all of the implications of getting involved in something like this.... in fact many people would argue that young progamers are even more lacking in the real life experience/understanding department, but hey fuck that and fuck that logic, let's be mad and find a convenient scapegoat.
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Beautiful translation thankyou.
I will always remember you for your awesome games Red Sniper and not for your mistake.
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On August 23 2013 17:11 Emon_ wrote:
Being a pro gamer is very unfair. You invest a lot of time and the chances to make money are S-L-I-M. The only reason these guys played BW was for the love of the game. That being said... Hwasin... you gave 7 years of your life to give us the most entertaining sport I have ever seen. To this day NOTHING comes close to the greatness of BW SPL, OSL and MSL. We got amazing entertainment - for free - while B-teamers, practice partners and probably some A-teamers were giving away their life. B-teamers and practice partners did it all without a salary, I'm pretty sure. Where are these lesser known gamers today - that built the leagues we so love? They are trying to catch up. Going to work, studying, trying to survive. We assume that KeSPA and the teams took care of them - but we all know that sleeping 4 in a room and playing video games all day - as a young kid - without a whole lot of money is unfair. And once you leave the team house, you're on your own again.
You were amazing at what you did. You were gods to us. And you DESERVED more than what you got. And you deserve more than what you get from fans now that we don't see you as much. I wish I could hear more about ex-BW players from that time. Are you guys adapting to adulthood alright?
You gave your life for BW... STX Hwasin... without your dedication who knows where STX would be today. 7 years.... 4-5 of them preparing for SPL/OSL/MSL/GSL.... Nothing but love for you Hwasin. Don't even worry about it.
This is why I could never really hold it against these guys in the long run... Despite its brilliance as a game, the industry around BW was brutal.
Of course I agree with the bans from playing. An example had to be made of them.
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On September 02 2013 10:06 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 17:11 Emon_ wrote:
Being a pro gamer is very unfair. You invest a lot of time and the chances to make money are S-L-I-M. The only reason these guys played BW was for the love of the game. That being said... Hwasin... you gave 7 years of your life to give us the most entertaining sport I have ever seen. To this day NOTHING comes close to the greatness of BW SPL, OSL and MSL. We got amazing entertainment - for free - while B-teamers, practice partners and probably some A-teamers were giving away their life. B-teamers and practice partners did it all without a salary, I'm pretty sure. Where are these lesser known gamers today - that built the leagues we so love? They are trying to catch up. Going to work, studying, trying to survive. We assume that KeSPA and the teams took care of them - but we all know that sleeping 4 in a room and playing video games all day - as a young kid - without a whole lot of money is unfair. And once you leave the team house, you're on your own again.
You were amazing at what you did. You were gods to us. And you DESERVED more than what you got. And you deserve more than what you get from fans now that we don't see you as much. I wish I could hear more about ex-BW players from that time. Are you guys adapting to adulthood alright?
You gave your life for BW... STX Hwasin... without your dedication who knows where STX would be today. 7 years.... 4-5 of them preparing for SPL/OSL/MSL/GSL.... Nothing but love for you Hwasin. Don't even worry about it. This is why I could never really hold it against these guys in the long run... Despite its brilliance as a game, the industry around BW was brutal. Of course I agree with the bans from playing. An example had to be made of them.
I firmly believe the people that got punished weren't the big fishes in the match fixing.
edit : i heard about match rigging as early as I stepped in korea
samjjang even got banned for some time because he admited maphacking and that his coach would specifically ask him to cheat
even my manager at some point asked a friend of mine to lose against me, which never happened thankfuly
i imagine much more matches were fixed than we know of
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Lol he is trying to sound all innocent, like a confused child that was lured by some pedo.. he knew exactly what kind of buisness he was getting himself into.
I mean he cant really say: Yeah i did it because i like money. :D
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Well, if you weren't a franchise player you weren't going to make jack to begin with. Easy outs. ~_~
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On September 03 2013 01:05 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Lol he is trying to sound all innocent, like a confused child that was lured by some pedo.. he knew exactly what kind of buisness he was getting himself into.
I mean he cant really say: Yeah i did it because i like money. :D
The money they made off of this was negligible compared to their proteam salaries... get a grip. -_-
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On September 03 2013 01:16 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 01:05 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Lol he is trying to sound all innocent, like a confused child that was lured by some pedo.. he knew exactly what kind of buisness he was getting himself into.
I mean he cant really say: Yeah i did it because i like money. :D The money they made off of this was negligible compared to their proteam salaries... get a grip. -_-
Are you saying he did this with the pretense of getting caught?
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Money the root of all evil not surprising to be honest.
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i ultimately blame savior for all of this.
i forgive you hwasin.
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On September 03 2013 03:13 ICanFlyLow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 01:16 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On September 03 2013 01:05 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Lol he is trying to sound all innocent, like a confused child that was lured by some pedo.. he knew exactly what kind of buisness he was getting himself into.
I mean he cant really say: Yeah i did it because i like money. :D The money they made off of this was negligible compared to their proteam salaries... get a grip. -_- Are you saying he did this with the pretense of getting caught?
I'm saying you're being unreasonable and ridiculous with your claims and this 2nd post only furthers that.
On September 03 2013 03:20 TriO wrote:
Money the root of all evil not surprising to be honest.
Again, the money they made off of this was insignificant compared to what they were making as progamers. And this wasn't the case just for sAviOr.
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Russian Federation748 Posts
Has someone kept count on how many threads are devoted to/have devolved into a debate about the matchfixing on TL ?
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On September 03 2013 05:35 Kyrillion wrote:
Has someone kept count on how many threads are devoted to/have devolved into a debate about the matchfixing on TL ?
Its almost like it was a major event in BW and korean esports, huh?
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
Question/Debate: would adding hwasin too the SSL hurt or help?
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On September 03 2013 05:57 BisuDagger wrote:
Question/Debate: would adding hwasin too the SSL hurt or help?
For those of us oblivious to the situation, why would it hurt? Assuming it's because of his shady reputation - it's tough to say without the proper understanding of the context, but personally, I'd rather see him compete in a sportsmanlike manner again than not. I doubt it can help (bearing the assumption), but I'm all for stronger competition.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On September 03 2013 05:57 BisuDagger wrote:
Question/Debate: would adding hwasin too the SSL hurt or help?
it's really up to the Korean audience to decide. Sonic tried to bring Saviour into the SSL and have him make up for his previous mistake etc... but his audience weren't fond of that and he decided against it eventually. I dunno if he'll agree to Hwasin joining even though he doesn't seem to be as deep in it as Saviour. Sonic's audience will have to decide when the time comes(if Hwasin plays again).
On September 03 2013 06:40 soujiro_ wrote:it would hurt ... + Show Spoiler +zerg players 
lol.
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well.. it's all cool and shit but I think that its still a little bit late for apologizing..
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Thanks for translation, but I hope I never hear another word about this criminal unless you're talking about his contributions to the meta.
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