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oh well........
On February 11 2015 03:37 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 22:55 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I don't care what he does with his stream or who watches it for that matter, I doubt he'd be featured on TL and he probably won't be allowed to participate in any tournament. I'm wondering for how much time do people consider inacceptable that such players return to the game. I mean, the guy was talented. He did a mistake. Now this can be the result of what I'd call a "built-in" greed, but this can also just be the result of a one time mistake that he may severly regret. Banning for life sounds ok in the first case, but not in the second :/
spoke too soon
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these people gave their youth to this game and then, under immense pressure, they made some mistakes and now they're stuck in a bad place. i don't know what to think, but some people certainly feel like they can pass the harshest judgment on them without a second thought.
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There si something called christian forgiveness. Obviously that guy suffered a lot from his mistake and got heavily (too much in my opinion) punished. Why are some people here, three years after, who probably don't even know him, who say bad things about him?
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I wonder what he's like on his stream.
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What has he been doing otherwise?
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I don't know what to think about his return, but ehhh yeah streaming that he still enjoys betting was probably not the best way for him to get back to Brood War... He was doing such good PR before too.
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Forgive and forget, guy is a boss.
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Dat highlight video dough... I really miss BW
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Bisutopia19305 Posts
He apologized and I believe it to be sincere. I forgive him.
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He hasn't deleted those bookmarks after so many years? I hope they are not recent. 
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very interesting read, nice post
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still awesome that Hwasin's playing again.
he was such an awesome player to watch
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that picture looks fake as shit lol
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Why can't we just have a tourney for all the ex match fixers.
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HOLY SHIT!
I was really pity about this guy and thought every time the he is the one who is NOT guilty.
Hwasin, come back for next SSL!
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On February 11 2015 07:49 BisuDagger wrote:
He apologized and I believe it to be sincere. I forgive him.
Would you forgive such a person that tried to (hypothetically) enter the scene again? Like remove his ban or just forgive him in the sense there's no hard feeling, but still being strict on such a ban.
It's a very topical thing as of late since we're seeing kids in Dota/CS doing the same dumb shit.
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thing is unlike a lot of regular sports there are many many kids/teens in competitive esports who wouldn't think of the consequences of any erroneous actions they might do.
sure you can pass down harsh judgement and lifetime ban on adult athletes who cheat, but kid/teenagers?
savior and gang may not be teens anymore at the time of the scandal but i bet their mental age is still roughly in their teens, since they are not exposed and socially acquainted to the outside world from having most of their real teenage years practicing BW.
did he mention on stream that he still enjoys betting? that screenshot alone may cast some doubts on hwasin but it doesnt prove anything.
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Forgive, yes. Forget? NEVER.
One can forgive a person and hold no further ill will toward him. I can even wish that he be successful in other areas of life. Heck, I could even go buy some clothes from his online shopping mall. However, to openly allow him back into the BW community is insane. It's not just about one guy. It's about threatening the perceived integrity and therefore the commercial viability of the post-KeSPA pro scene that is struggling to take root. This hurts all other players by association. The fact that he is streaming BW is itself a selfish action that hurts the players who currently make up the scene. His stream may even see good numbers, but including him in any BW event alienates millions of dormant BW fans as well as reputable corporate sponsors who don't want criminals appearing on TV programs with their brands plastered everywhere.
There are plenty of other great players to watch. There plenty of ways to forgive the sinners without letting them hurt everyone else.
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Hong Kong9165 Posts
If I weren't packing for a plane ride to Korea in order to watch a game this person helped bring so low impossibly brought so high by people who aren't like him, I would be more angry at people in this thread. I'll just leave it at stern disappointment.
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