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xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
May 22 2013 06:49 GMT
#41
I like the idea of a TL branded server
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
May 22 2013 06:51 GMT
#42
There's a lot of issues with an idea like this. Just for starters, it's not as simple as developing and implementing the technology required to do the stuff on your list, but it's about maintainence. How are you going to deal with hackers, deal with disputes. You'll need lots of staff, clear rule sets and stuff like that, which is a hard thing to find. Volunteers by their nature are very unreliable, so you'd need a really good system to streamline their work or incentivise it. I just honestly am not sure how well this would work, even with iccup being stupid. At the end of the day, it's just me, sayle and stratos blacklisted, not really a huge deal imo (fish is better anyway).

I agree that in an ideal world, a server not run by iccup would be a great thing, but there are significant roadblocks in getting there, and even then trying to get enough people playing to make matchmaking work would be tough. If you are set on trying to do this, make sure you go in with a really well developed plan
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xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
May 22 2013 06:54 GMT
#43
On May 22 2013 15:51 Kiante wrote:
There's a lot of issues with an idea like this. Just for starters, it's not as simple as developing and implementing the technology required to do the stuff on your list, but it's about maintainence. How are you going to deal with hackers, deal with disputes. You'll need lots of staff, clear rule sets and stuff like that, which is a hard thing to find. Volunteers by their nature are very unreliable, so you'd need a really good system to streamline their work or incentivise it. I just honestly am not sure how well this would work, even with iccup being stupid. At the end of the day, it's just me, sayle and stratos blacklisted, not really a huge deal imo (fish is better anyway).

I agree that in an ideal world, a server not run by iccup would be a great thing, but there are significant roadblocks in getting there, and even then trying to get enough people playing to make matchmaking work would be tough. If you are set on trying to do this, make sure you go in with a really well developed plan

Assuming that hoards of people(500+) doesn't come in, not a lot of staff is actually needed to maintain the server
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
Mewka
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland1458 Posts
May 22 2013 06:55 GMT
#44
iCCup -.- ...
Mewka, Mewka[AoV], Fox.Mewka, Mewman
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11529 Posts
May 22 2013 06:59 GMT
#45
On May 22 2013 15:54 xboi209 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 15:51 Kiante wrote:
There's a lot of issues with an idea like this. Just for starters, it's not as simple as developing and implementing the technology required to do the stuff on your list, but it's about maintainence. How are you going to deal with hackers, deal with disputes. You'll need lots of staff, clear rule sets and stuff like that, which is a hard thing to find. Volunteers by their nature are very unreliable, so you'd need a really good system to streamline their work or incentivise it. I just honestly am not sure how well this would work, even with iccup being stupid. At the end of the day, it's just me, sayle and stratos blacklisted, not really a huge deal imo (fish is better anyway).

I agree that in an ideal world, a server not run by iccup would be a great thing, but there are significant roadblocks in getting there, and even then trying to get enough people playing to make matchmaking work would be tough. If you are set on trying to do this, make sure you go in with a really well developed plan

Assuming that hoards of people(500+) doesn't come in, not a lot of staff is actually needed to maintain the server

But if hordes don't come, then automatchmaking and the longterm viability of the server comes into question. You do need a critical mass for the server to work long term else it will be yet another empty private server.
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xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 07:06:04
May 22 2013 07:04 GMT
#46
On May 22 2013 15:59 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 15:54 xboi209 wrote:
On May 22 2013 15:51 Kiante wrote:
There's a lot of issues with an idea like this. Just for starters, it's not as simple as developing and implementing the technology required to do the stuff on your list, but it's about maintainence. How are you going to deal with hackers, deal with disputes. You'll need lots of staff, clear rule sets and stuff like that, which is a hard thing to find. Volunteers by their nature are very unreliable, so you'd need a really good system to streamline their work or incentivise it. I just honestly am not sure how well this would work, even with iccup being stupid. At the end of the day, it's just me, sayle and stratos blacklisted, not really a huge deal imo (fish is better anyway).

I agree that in an ideal world, a server not run by iccup would be a great thing, but there are significant roadblocks in getting there, and even then trying to get enough people playing to make matchmaking work would be tough. If you are set on trying to do this, make sure you go in with a really well developed plan

Assuming that hoards of people(500+) doesn't come in, not a lot of staff is actually needed to maintain the server

But if hordes don't come, then automatchmaking and the longterm viability of the server comes into question. You do need a critical mass for the server to work long term else it will be yet another empty private server.

Honestly, I don't expect this server to get 500+ players at all because of the dead population starcraft has. I'm not throwing away the idea that it can't eventually build up its playerbase but it's just unlikely
The best bet however is the antihack, auto matchmaker, and international friendliness(translations in multiple languages)
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3695 Posts
May 22 2013 07:37 GMT
#47
- Automatic port forwarding to allow almost anyone to host games


Oh god that took me like forever to set up, so I think that'd be amazing.

I think the idea is great, and even though I don't play much bw having a new server would certainly motivate me to play more!
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
May 22 2013 07:41 GMT
#48
On May 22 2013 10:33 1a2a3a[MB] wrote:
and the corrupt admins

lol.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
May 22 2013 07:44 GMT
#49
Would this work better than getting everyone on Fish?
My strategy is to fork people.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
May 22 2013 07:51 GMT
#50
On May 22 2013 16:44 Severedevil wrote:
Would this work better than getting everyone on Fish?


not really.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
May 22 2013 07:53 GMT
#51
On May 22 2013 16:41 Glioburd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 10:33 1a2a3a[MB] wrote:
and the corrupt admins

lol.


now they are even corrupt? i bid you to show proof.

Well, technically i dont care, but i wont be playing on a new server until it is more frequently used then ICC. Which isnt gonna happen. TL is a rather small community BW wise. And many people worldwide still play ICC.
Broodwar for life!
Mewka
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland1458 Posts
May 22 2013 07:58 GMT
#52
On May 22 2013 16:44 Severedevil wrote:
Would this work better than getting everyone on Fish?

its more like, bw needs foreign server too
Mewka, Mewka[AoV], Fox.Mewka, Mewman
TehRei
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden261 Posts
May 22 2013 08:08 GMT
#53
On May 22 2013 15:59 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 15:54 xboi209 wrote:
On May 22 2013 15:51 Kiante wrote:
There's a lot of issues with an idea like this. Just for starters, it's not as simple as developing and implementing the technology required to do the stuff on your list, but it's about maintainence. How are you going to deal with hackers, deal with disputes. You'll need lots of staff, clear rule sets and stuff like that, which is a hard thing to find. Volunteers by their nature are very unreliable, so you'd need a really good system to streamline their work or incentivise it. I just honestly am not sure how well this would work, even with iccup being stupid. At the end of the day, it's just me, sayle and stratos blacklisted, not really a huge deal imo (fish is better anyway).

I agree that in an ideal world, a server not run by iccup would be a great thing, but there are significant roadblocks in getting there, and even then trying to get enough people playing to make matchmaking work would be tough. If you are set on trying to do this, make sure you go in with a really well developed plan

Assuming that hoards of people(500+) doesn't come in, not a lot of staff is actually needed to maintain the server

But if hordes don't come, then automatchmaking and the longterm viability of the server comes into question. You do need a critical mass for the server to work long term else it will be yet another empty private server.

Well, this thread has only been up for a couple of hours, but as of writing this there 79 "Yes" votes for moving to a new server, along with 20 "if enough people switch". If the new server would get a shout-out in tournaments like TLS, and perhaps even be the server that the tournament is played on, I don't think that getting players there would necessarily be a problem.

What likely would be problem though is what Kiante mentioned, getting volunteers to work on this. If you're running server, it needs to be up 24/7, and have people working on it roughly 24/7 as well. Getting reliable and competent people to regularly invest a lot of their spare time for no monetary compensation is not as simple as it sounds. I'm sure there are people that fits that description, the question is if there's enough of them.
But, as Kiante also pointed out, with a really easy and streamlined system, it might be possible to do this. But it will take time, and it will not be an easy thing to accomplish.
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
May 22 2013 08:28 GMT
#54
i would play anywhere where my stats don't get deleted after every season, that why i used to love b.net...

having 500-300 stats was cool...
ἡ τῆς Νεμέσεως τάξις
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
May 22 2013 08:48 GMT
#55
On May 22 2013 17:08 TehRei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 15:59 Falling wrote:
On May 22 2013 15:54 xboi209 wrote:
On May 22 2013 15:51 Kiante wrote:
There's a lot of issues with an idea like this. Just for starters, it's not as simple as developing and implementing the technology required to do the stuff on your list, but it's about maintainence. How are you going to deal with hackers, deal with disputes. You'll need lots of staff, clear rule sets and stuff like that, which is a hard thing to find. Volunteers by their nature are very unreliable, so you'd need a really good system to streamline their work or incentivise it. I just honestly am not sure how well this would work, even with iccup being stupid. At the end of the day, it's just me, sayle and stratos blacklisted, not really a huge deal imo (fish is better anyway).

I agree that in an ideal world, a server not run by iccup would be a great thing, but there are significant roadblocks in getting there, and even then trying to get enough people playing to make matchmaking work would be tough. If you are set on trying to do this, make sure you go in with a really well developed plan

Assuming that hoards of people(500+) doesn't come in, not a lot of staff is actually needed to maintain the server

But if hordes don't come, then automatchmaking and the longterm viability of the server comes into question. You do need a critical mass for the server to work long term else it will be yet another empty private server.

Well, this thread has only been up for a couple of hours, but as of writing this there 79 "Yes" votes for moving to a new server, along with 20 "if enough people switch". If the new server would get a shout-out in tournaments like TLS, and perhaps even be the server that the tournament is played on, I don't think that getting players there would necessarily be a problem.

What likely would be problem though is what Kiante mentioned, getting volunteers to work on this. If you're running server, it needs to be up 24/7, and have people working on it roughly 24/7 as well. Getting reliable and competent people to regularly invest a lot of their spare time for no monetary compensation is not as simple as it sounds. I'm sure there are people that fits that description, the question is if there's enough of them.
But, as Kiante also pointed out, with a really easy and streamlined system, it might be possible to do this. But it will take time, and it will not be an easy thing to accomplish.


It will be popular for the first couple days but maybe 15 of those 79 will actually switch.

4-5 of those 15 will switch back to iccup once they realized the other 64 did too.

You're left with 10 people. Four of them will be AFK in op teamliquid and 3 will be chatting.

At least you'll get to play 3 man KOTH games.
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
May 22 2013 09:13 GMT
#56
On May 22 2013 17:48 SnowFantasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 17:08 TehRei wrote:
On May 22 2013 15:59 Falling wrote:
On May 22 2013 15:54 xboi209 wrote:
On May 22 2013 15:51 Kiante wrote:
There's a lot of issues with an idea like this. Just for starters, it's not as simple as developing and implementing the technology required to do the stuff on your list, but it's about maintainence. How are you going to deal with hackers, deal with disputes. You'll need lots of staff, clear rule sets and stuff like that, which is a hard thing to find. Volunteers by their nature are very unreliable, so you'd need a really good system to streamline their work or incentivise it. I just honestly am not sure how well this would work, even with iccup being stupid. At the end of the day, it's just me, sayle and stratos blacklisted, not really a huge deal imo (fish is better anyway).

I agree that in an ideal world, a server not run by iccup would be a great thing, but there are significant roadblocks in getting there, and even then trying to get enough people playing to make matchmaking work would be tough. If you are set on trying to do this, make sure you go in with a really well developed plan

Assuming that hoards of people(500+) doesn't come in, not a lot of staff is actually needed to maintain the server

But if hordes don't come, then automatchmaking and the longterm viability of the server comes into question. You do need a critical mass for the server to work long term else it will be yet another empty private server.

Well, this thread has only been up for a couple of hours, but as of writing this there 79 "Yes" votes for moving to a new server, along with 20 "if enough people switch". If the new server would get a shout-out in tournaments like TLS, and perhaps even be the server that the tournament is played on, I don't think that getting players there would necessarily be a problem.

What likely would be problem though is what Kiante mentioned, getting volunteers to work on this. If you're running server, it needs to be up 24/7, and have people working on it roughly 24/7 as well. Getting reliable and competent people to regularly invest a lot of their spare time for no monetary compensation is not as simple as it sounds. I'm sure there are people that fits that description, the question is if there's enough of them.
But, as Kiante also pointed out, with a really easy and streamlined system, it might be possible to do this. But it will take time, and it will not be an easy thing to accomplish.


It will be popular for the first couple days but maybe 15 of those 79 will actually switch.

4-5 of those 15 will switch back to iccup once they realized the other 64 did too.

You're left with 10 people. Four of them will be AFK in op teamliquid and 3 will be chatting.

At least you'll get to play 3 man KOTH games.


It's easy. Just get 200 skynet bots to use your matchmaking system. Then run an event where humans have to fight ai to the death in some gigantic scoreboard server wide event....

About as easy as implementing an automatchmaking system for BW....

No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
Berceno
Profile Joined May 2012
Spain401 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 10:09:26
May 22 2013 10:07 GMT
#57
if it had matchmaking I would switch asap. I would love to see something like age of empires II hd with broodwar ( and not for the graphics)
protoss living in da ghetto
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51072 Posts
May 22 2013 10:49 GMT
#58
if it had auto port forwarding I'd start playing BW again.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
ikan
Profile Joined December 2012
United States34 Posts
May 22 2013 10:54 GMT
#59
You could have seasonal stats in the profile for the season and lifetime stats in the profile on the website.
here for a good time, not a long time
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 11:16:30
May 22 2013 11:15 GMT
#60
"Automatic port forwarding to allow almost anyone to host games"

IM FUCKING IN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOO !

please do this, please please please.. it would bring so many players to BW.. seriously !
T H C makes ppl happy
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