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Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
December 05 2005 07:15 GMT
#1
I was trying to improve my PvZ game alot and was wondering whose replays should I be watching. I want some peoples opinion on the best now and the best ever. Ty
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 05 2005 07:20 GMT
#2
Reach is considered top PvZ i think
Pusan might have the best win % pvz in pro leagues atm (not sure) but he has yet to stand the test of longevity in comparison to Reach afaik.

as far as non koreans go:
Arcneon isnt to bad these days in this mu
Draco has always been nice albeit inconsistant imo
Testie for jewish style aka fe to sair/reaver and other technical styles
Mondragon actually has a very powerful basic style just does the little things right

You can find replays on gosugamers.net wgt.com or tl.net for some nice examples, or someone could kindly link you to the korean rep sites and even the chinese ones.

Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
December 05 2005 07:22 GMT
#3
Best outside Korea: [S.Top]Angel
Best in Korea: Nal_rA(sair/reaver style at least) or Anytime.
Best of all-time: Pro.NT_Sonjjang aka finalace - he was acknowledged by ALOT of players as the best PvZ player, but his PvT was really really horrible(which isnt that strange because he was a very microoriented player) T_T Many would say GARIMTOi or IntoTheRain are best alltime too, which is ok.
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-=SWM=-
Profile Joined September 2003
Canada306 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-05 07:45:36
December 05 2005 07:27 GMT
#4
Hmm there was a "Top PvZ Replays" pack i downloaded quite some time ago, most are in older versions 1.12 1.11 1.10 etc, but the pack includes some great replays. You can just use 7x patcher or whatever to watch them. Yousendit seems to be down someone have a link for another faster site i can upload to?

EDIT: Found site tyo upload to not sure but i assume the download speed will suck.. GLHF~

http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php?f=7f3aa1e0ebc5973f65943546
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Pro.NT_Knight
Profile Joined November 2004
Australia539 Posts
December 05 2005 07:28 GMT
#5
Sonjjang has a great PvZ , while hes been in army hes played few practice games vs julyzerg and others on his days off. He alsmot beat july in a rep i got
PvT hes had some good games, but his pvz was great
Op Pro.NT Usa West
-=SWM=-
Profile Joined September 2003
Canada306 Posts
December 05 2005 07:32 GMT
#6
On December 05 2005 16:22 Guybrush wrote:
Best outside Korea: [S.Top]Angel
Best in Korea: Nal_rA(sair/reaver style at least) or Anytime.
Best of all-time: Pro.NT_Sonjjang aka finalace - he was acknowledged by ALOT of players as the best PvZ player, but his PvT was really really horrible(which isnt that strange because he was a very microoriented player) T_T Many would say GARIMTOi or IntoTheRain are best alltime too, which is ok.


I was under the impression GARIMTOi is not actually GARIMTO and I this his PvT was more godly anyways,

Rain tho on the other had had some art PvZ
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-05 07:37:26
December 05 2005 07:37 GMT
#7
i only recall a few old sonjjang replays on lt in which he humiliates zerg with aggressive early goon use, very impressive ^^
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-=SWM=-
Profile Joined September 2003
Canada306 Posts
December 05 2005 07:40 GMT
#8
im still in need of a site to upload this reppack if your interested.... please someone i forget the other sites like yousendit :/
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-05 07:42:27
December 05 2005 07:41 GMT
#9
On December 05 2005 16:37 Carnac wrote:
i only recall a few old sonjjang replays on lt in which he humiliates zerg with aggressive early goon use, very impressive ^^


I think you're thinking about his game vs [GsP]JJu+___+ @ temple. The game is very microintensive involving goons and lurker drops. JJu being @ 6 and Sonjjang @ 3.

GARIMTOi was GARIMTOs gamei ID a long long time ago when Yosh, Smuft, and Nazgul played there.

Oh and btw Sonjjang used Pro.NT_Ryoko in his last games before he retired.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-05 08:00:21
December 05 2005 07:47 GMT
#10
Now? Small differences between Pusan, Anytime, Reach and also Rock. Perhaps Nal_ra as well, but to me is below their level right now. Protoss is a fickle race to play with, depending on storms for instance in this MU.

Best micro and unit control among those mentioned is Reach imo, and clearly so. Though he sometimes botches games because of poor builds/strat or just plays too risky and presses too much when he should consolidate etc. But that also makes him interesting to watch.

Edit: True, I forgot foru. Terato and rainbow has done well recently, but they haven't really achieved anything and seem to lack consistency.
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
Jampoot
Profile Joined December 2005
United States17 Posts
December 05 2005 07:57 GMT
#11
Reach is the best Protoss behind ForU and we all know how good ForU is pvz...

My vote is reach. Non-korean: testie/fisheye
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
December 05 2005 08:01 GMT
#12
Ty, I really like pusans PvZ and reaches impresses me too. I have been trying to just watch reps because i need to get some timing down on the b/o and reactions in certian cituations. Which is a big reason why I suck. I can macro well since PvT is my best matchup but I think PvZ is mostly timing. Which is why i blow
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ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
December 05 2005 08:12 GMT
#13
Reach = can't win a pvz final for his life. All of the current top protoss players are great pvz players - they have to be, because they waded thru the entire zerg population of korea to get where they are. Look into some games from kingdom and ra, when those two were on top of everything they put reach on the sideline and ran the whole show themselves. Nowadays anytime and pusan are both pretty much unbeatable by zergs, while Rock held the best winning % against zergs a little while ago (not sure if he still does).

All of these gamers have great sense of timing, so either should fulfull your need. All of them have very entertaining styles as well, so just pick up all you can find and enjoy
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uPGaminG
Profile Joined October 2005
Portugal260 Posts
December 05 2005 08:23 GMT
#14
FISHEYE IS THE POWER PVZer :D
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
December 05 2005 08:25 GMT
#15
On December 05 2005 16:57 Jampoot wrote:
Reach is the best Protoss behind ForU and we all know how good ForU is pvz...

My vote is reach. Non-korean: testie/fisheye

!?!?
#W$rg sdafadgAFg
WHAT THE FUCK? ForU's PvT is A level, but his PvZ is like.. progamer C/B level -_-;
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NuclearAntelope
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1369 Posts
December 05 2005 08:27 GMT
#16
On December 05 2005 16:41 Guybrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2005 16:37 Carnac wrote:
i only recall a few old sonjjang replays on lt in which he humiliates zerg with aggressive early goon use, very impressive ^^


I think you're thinking about his game vs [GsP]JJu+___+ @ temple. The game is very microintensive involving goons and lurker drops. JJu being @ 6 and Sonjjang @ 3.

GARIMTOi was GARIMTOs gamei ID a long long time ago when Yosh, Smuft, and Nazgul played there.

Oh and btw Sonjjang used Pro.NT_Ryoko in his last games before he retired.

I was fairly sure garimto's gamei name was SSreGiTosS.
people are similar in nature. its the experience of life that makes them so different.
RiSE
Profile Joined April 2004
United States3182 Posts
December 05 2005 08:33 GMT
#17
On December 05 2005 17:25 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2005 16:57 Jampoot wrote:
Reach is the best Protoss behind ForU and we all know how good ForU is pvz...

My vote is reach. Non-korean: testie/fisheye

!?!?
#W$rg sdafadgAFg
WHAT THE FUCK? ForU's PvT is A level, but his PvZ is like.. progamer C/B level -_-;


Foru has really raped July lately :D
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QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-05 08:34:53
December 05 2005 08:34 GMT
#18
But FOru got raped by CNstorm and Blackman :/

Edit: well maybe not raped by cnstorm, but that second game(wcg) on estrella was definetly rape
Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-05 08:41:10
December 05 2005 08:39 GMT
#19
On December 05 2005 17:12 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
Reach = can't win a pvz final for his life. All of the current top protoss players are great pvz players - they have to be, because they waded thru the entire zerg population of korea to get where they are. Look into some games from kingdom and ra, when those two were on top of everything they put reach on the sideline and ran the whole show themselves. Nowadays anytime and pusan are both pretty much unbeatable by zergs, while Rock held the best winning % against zergs a little while ago (not sure if he still does).

All of these gamers have great sense of timing, so either should fulfull your need. All of them have very entertaining styles as well, so just pick up all you can find and enjoy

That is... quite unfair. I mean he did beat Yellow for 3rd place, though I admit yellow is rather weak ZvP. He defeated chojja quite recently in a BO5 and did a decent job against IPX. Nal_ra, I don't remember him playing more BO3+ against zergs and winning them more than Reach, and maps play a role etc.

But yeah, I guess one year ago I would say Nal_ra and Kingdom were the top PvZs with Reach just behind, but Reach clearly the PvT monster of those 3.
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-12-05 08:55:47
December 05 2005 08:46 GMT
#20
Well it doesn't matter who's replays you watch, just watch top replays if you want to see how top players PvZ.

And Yellow is weak ZvP? 0_O
It takes a fool to remain sane.
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