EPTFantasy has officially taken over as the top player in SC:BW. I couldn't be happier for him. He is my favorite terran player and deserves the spotlight.
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
Fantasy has officially taken over as the top player in SC:BW. I couldn't be happier for him. He is my favorite terran player and deserves the spotlight. + Show Spoiler [Old Image] + | ||
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ShinySleepy
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It's about time, though, clown prince  | ||
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ShadeR
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
I was waiting for this day for a loooong time, but now it happened. Fantasy #1, as he is the rightful heir to the throne. Now I await the final rounds of the OSL and hope he wins that too. Also, Bisu strong at #3. SKT really imba :D | ||
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rainei
Canada1316 Posts
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GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
On May 31 2012 22:45 ShadeR wrote: Broke his vP peak sick! and his vZ xD gooooo Fantasy!!! | ||
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AdrianInzunza
Mexico44 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
Hoping for a Fantasy/Jangbi rematch from last season as final | ||
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Chux
Peru255 Posts
JUNG MYUNG HOON!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Aunvilgod
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Kznn
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Sinedd
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oldgregg
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TheRealNanMan
United States1471 Posts
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Lawls01
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
On May 31 2012 23:46 oldgregg wrote: i've never liked fantasy, he shows no charisma or personality at all out of game. i think he's really boring and i've never been able to pinpoint or categorize his playstyle, he just seems to randomly dominate some games and crush the other player, especially if that player is protoss. good on him for becoming the top player by elo tho Funny how Fantasy is my favorite BW player by far and I don't follow BW that much. I just really like his play and personality. He's not a charismatic person, but I do relate to him. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On May 31 2012 23:46 oldgregg wrote: edit: too negative. good on you fantasy I actually thought what you put was honest and still supportive to his accomplishment. Regardless, your edit shows much respect. | ||
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
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imperator-xy
Germany1366 Posts
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
On June 01 2012 00:05 1ntrigue wrote: Flash says, "I'll be back." Sadly there is no time to be back. Next proleague will be all sc2, and next osl probably as well. | ||
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Stoids
United States636 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On June 01 2012 00:07 imperator-xy wrote: "officially"? isnt the KeSPA ranking the official ranking? we all know how much we care about it | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On June 01 2012 00:07 imperator-xy wrote: "officially"? isnt the KeSPA ranking the official ranking? June KeSPA rankins out soon ;D | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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VeNoM HaZ Skill
United States1528 Posts
Last time I checked the Kespa ratings aren't exactly the most reliable thing. Kespa doesn't exactly have their ranking method down, and they've had years to mess with it. | ||
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OminouS
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
but still this is very huge news. props to him... | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On June 01 2012 01:53 J1.au wrote: Yeah but it came at the time when every player is forced to practice.another game simultaneously. Really hurts his achievement in my opinion. Still its nice that he gets the position after having to compete with Flash for #1 Terran spot. | ||
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Nesto
Switzerland1318 Posts
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zazone
Romania460 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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Ideas
United States8084 Posts
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sOvrn
United States678 Posts
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Emon_
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
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YoucriedWolf
Sweden1456 Posts
been my favorite player since forever, didnt think id live to see the day. | ||
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Operations
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
JUNG MYUNG HOON | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37014 Posts
A N T A S Y <3 <3 <3 | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
 ) OSL winner | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:06 Louuster wrote: Grats Fanta, not surprised given the play hes shown recently. Probably the next (and last? ) OSL winnerIndeed. Everyone wants a Jangbi vs Fantasy rematch, but honestly the best TvT rivals of all time is Fanta vs Flash. I think it would be an epic ending to have a bo7 decide who is the true ruler of the SC:BW in the end. On June 01 2012 03:02 SeeKeR wrote: F A N T A S Y A N T A S Y S A T N A F <3 <3 <3 edit: Just realized you can spell Satan be rearrange his letters! | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
That includes beating sKyHigh and Flash the ultimate bosses of TvT, Stork and M18M the PvT specialists, and 3-0'ing ZerO. Congrats Fantasy. How about winning that OSL ? Now that Stork is gone, I guess I'm cheering for you and Flash. Flash really needs to win those tiebreakers so you guys can have a Bo5 again. | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On June 01 2012 01:53 J1.au wrote: Yeah but it came at the time when every player is forced to practice.another game simultaneously. Really hurts his achievement in my opinion. Not at all. He was already on the way there when it was just BW, it's actually more impressive that he's managed to show such excellent play even while playing 2 games. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
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Ideas
United States8084 Posts
On June 01 2012 02:45 Iplaythings wrote: 103 elo till he reached Flashes dominance unfortunately he can probably win every game of BW that he plays for the rest of year and not reach that high :\ | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On June 01 2012 02:02 J1.au wrote: The best thing to ever happen to Fantasy was the closure of MBC Game. Yes the closure of a station that broadcasted BW was the best thing that could have ever happened to him, wait what? | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
I'm trying to say that objectively, but he also has been my favourite player since his royal road attempt. | ||
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toopham
United States551 Posts
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sinistral
Singapore859 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:09 endy wrote: Yeah he's been 19-2 since he lost to Jangbi. That includes beating sKyHigh and Flash the ultimate bosses of TvT, Stork and M18M the PvT specialists, and 3-0'ing ZerO. Congrats Fantasy. How about winning that OSL ? Now that Stork is gone, I guess I'm cheering for you and Flash. Flash really needs to win those tiebreakers so you guys can have a Bo5 again. Beating SkyHigh doesn't have the cache it used to and M18M is a good PvT sniper but not the most valuable win. 3-0 over Zero would have been more jaw dropping a year ago since Zero has struggled this season. HOWEVER, Fantasy right now is a WRECKING BALL tearing his way through the competition. It's not just the fact that he beats these people, but so many of these games have been one-sided curb stompings. Even in the game against Flash, I never felt like Flash had the advantage. Probably the closest game of all his wins was the game against Stork since he nearly ran out of money before taking his fourth, but Stork simply could not deal with the strength of Fantasy's push. Also, his actual record since losing to Jangbi is 20-2 because he is 1-0 in SC2 as well. He is now undefeated in his last 10 BW games, last 11 games total. TvT he may be comparable to Flash at the moment, TvZ I'd still give the edge to Flash, but TvP I'd have to give it to Fantasy. He is right now my pick for #1 in the world. Not undisputed, mind you, he still has many trials he needs to go through. A rematch with Jangbi to prove he is stronger. Beating Flash in a series. Proving that he has now overcome Soulkey and Jaedong, who have lopsided records over him. | ||
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SCnai
322 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:49 sinistral wrote: JUNGLADEN Speaking of Jungladens, could someone please link the picture of Fanta in sunglasses with a bazooka? I looked for it without success. Hopefully I've not been tagged by any intelligence agencies because of my google searches... | ||
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Kiett
United States7639 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:40 toopham wrote: When he beat flash peak, 2443, tell me He doesn't need to. Flash peaked at 2443 when there were still 3 leagues active. Now there's only 1.4, and barely that. That's like saying, "Flash sucks, let me know when he beats Bisu's 63-win PL record." He's never going to, because it's literally not possible. PL just doesn't have enough rounds and games. Grats Fantasy <3 | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On June 01 2012 04:05 SCnai wrote: Speaking of Jungladens, could someone please link the picture of Fanta in sunglasses with a bazooka? I looked for it without success. Hopefully I've not been tagged by any intelligence agencies because of my google searches... ![[image loading]](http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/9333/bisufantasy.png) I did this one a while ago. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:25 Kipsate wrote: Yes the closure of a station that broadcasted BW was the best thing that could have ever happened to him, wait what? I see him as a player that relies on study and careful practice more than other players do. I think the more relaxed schedule suits his strengths, his current results I see as a testament to that. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On June 01 2012 04:05 SCnai wrote: Speaking of Jungladens, could someone please link the picture of Fanta in sunglasses with a bazooka? I looked for it without success. Hopefully I've not been tagged by any intelligence agencies because of my google searches... Here you go ! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cSMDM.jpg) | ||
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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minilance
Canada500 Posts
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SCnai
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On June 01 2012 04:39 endy wrote: Here you go ! Thanks, that's the one! | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10125 Posts
FlaSh, please stop losing and kick some ass. | ||
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
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brokenLoL
United Kingdom419 Posts
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On June 01 2012 05:24 brokenLoL wrote: Yea I remember watching korean air OSL effort vs flash and a sc2 proleague effort vs flash and bw proleague fantasy/bisu vs flash and I saw absolutely nothing spectacular. I don't get why people are all over this flash guy in bw and sc2? He's not that good in either games. He has the same amount of awards as NaDa. IMO this guy is nothing special Wow... | ||
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On June 01 2012 05:24 brokenLoL wrote: Yea I remember watching korean air OSL effort vs flash and a sc2 proleague effort vs flash and bw proleague fantasy/bisu vs flash and I saw absolutely nothing spectacular. I don't get why people are all over this flash guy in bw and sc2? He's not that good in either games. He has the same amount of awards as NaDa. IMO this guy is nothing special quoted for eternal shame | ||
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
hes just trolling i hope | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Go through his post history It's hilarious. | ||
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rawb
United States252 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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Ruscour
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Very well deserved, I don't think anyone can argue that he's the best right now. Such fun to watch too. | ||
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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brolaf
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On June 01 2012 05:24 brokenLoL wrote: Yea I remember watching korean air OSL effort vs flash and a sc2 proleague effort vs flash and bw proleague fantasy/bisu vs flash and I saw absolutely nothing spectacular. I don't get why people are all over this flash guy in bw and sc2? He's not that good in either games. He has the same amount of awards as NaDa. IMO this guy is nothing special obvious troll is obvious | ||
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Roffles
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brolaf
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On June 01 2012 04:10 Kiett wrote: He doesn't need to. Flash peaked at 2443 when there were still 3 leagues active. Now there's only 1.4, and barely that. That's like saying, "Flash sucks, let me know when he beats Bisu's 63-win PL record." He's never going to, because it's literally not possible. PL just doesn't have enough rounds and games. Grats Fantasy <3 i dont think ElO has decay does it.. so if he wins enough games, he will get his elo, even if the games are spaced out | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7800 Posts
EDIT: I'm just saying if he had done it pre SC2 in PL it would have been way more impressive and notable. | ||
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brokenLoL
United Kingdom419 Posts
On June 01 2012 06:37 Vasoline73 wrote: I know there's a reason that Fantasy fans should be happy but it's hard to care or think this is a big deal when everyone is out there practicing two games. Changes the practice dyanamic entirely. EDIT: I'm just saying if he had done it pre SC2 in PL it would have been way more impressive and notable. You're just angry that Fantasy is better than Flash at two different games. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 01 2012 06:37 Vasoline73 wrote: I know there's a reason that Fantasy fans should be happy but it's hard to care or think this is a big deal when everyone is out there practicing two games. Changes the practice dyanamic entirely. EDIT: I'm just saying if he had done it pre SC2 in PL it would have been way more impressive and notable. well he did have the best record in the previous season and defeated flash in the head to head, elo isn't everything. | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37014 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:08 BisuDagger wrote: Indeed. Everyone wants a Jangbi vs Fantasy rematch, but honestly the best TvT rivals of all time is Fanta vs Flash. I think it would be an epic ending to have a bo7 decide who is the true ruler of the SC:BW in the end. edit: Just realized you can spell Satan be rearrange his letters! edit: nvm, it doesn't work :/ | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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Falling
Canada11343 Posts
On June 01 2012 07:40 hifriend wrote: I want fantasy to knock flash out, then proceed to lose vs Jangbi in the finals. The Protoss in me wars against the SKT fan in me. Which will win? I would just hope for an epic fight. | ||
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
On June 01 2012 06:37 Vasoline73 wrote: I know there's a reason that Fantasy fans should be happy but it's hard to care or think this is a big deal when everyone is out there practicing two games. Changes the practice dyanamic entirely. EDIT: I'm just saying if he had done it pre SC2 in PL it would have been way more impressive and notable. LOL... and Fantasy isn't practicing two games? hahaha | ||
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Nerfed
Russian Federation1132 Posts
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SpeaKEaSY
United States1070 Posts
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW!?!?!? | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 01 2012 06:37 brolaf wrote: i dont think ElO has decay does it.. so if he wins enough games, he will get his elo, even if the games are spaced out I'm pretty sure that even if Fantasy wins every single BW game until BW is no longer played it is still mathematically impossible for him to achieve Flash's record. Also, the ease through which you climb the ELO ratings over a given length of time depends largely on the number of games being played. When you consider that nobody can stay on top forever, that matters a lot in determining ELO ratings. Fantasy has reached his peak right now. Over a 6 month period he has won better than 90% of his games. I'm pretty sure not even Flash has ever done this. But over the same length of time, Flash would have a higher ELO because of more games played at a win percentage almost as high. | ||
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
On June 01 2012 08:33 Mortality wrote: I'm pretty sure that even if Fantasy wins every single BW game until BW is no longer played it is still mathematically impossible for him to achieve Flash's record. Also, the ease through which you climb the ELO ratings over a given length of time depends largely on the number of games being played. When you consider that nobody can stay on top forever, that matters a lot in determining ELO ratings. Fantasy has reached his peak right now. Over a 6 month period he has won better than 90% of his games. I'm pretty sure not even Flash has ever done this. But over the same length of time, Flash would have a higher ELO because of more games played at a win percentage almost as high. No **** there? over 90% in a 6 month period??? | ||
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Kornholi0
Canada634 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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StarStruck
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On May 31 2012 22:41 BisuDagger wrote: This is the Jung Myung Hoon era. All hail the new ruler! Fantasy has officially taken over as the top player in SC:BW. I couldn't be happier for him. He is my favorite terran player and deserves the spotlight. I saw this coming several months ago. I'm most certainly not surprised at all. | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Just kidding. Only 2 losses since December is sick. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On June 01 2012 02:45 Iplaythings wrote: 103 elo till he reached Flashes dominance Relax, nobody is saying Fantasy's peak is better than Flash's, no need to say something like this. Good for fanta! I for one wouldn't mind a Fanta v Flash BOX right about now. =) | ||
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etrensce
Australia337 Posts
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 01 2012 08:36 MetalPanda wrote: No **** there? over 90% in a 6 month period??? 19/21 = .90476 or in other words 90.5% | ||
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hai2u
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
lol at bisu sitting on 3rd, let the hate begin. | ||
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VonDarkmore
Australia192 Posts
Bisu third such a good time T1 fighting! | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Flash went 20/21 from christmas to mid-february 2011 and 15-0 in August 2010 (incuding 4 consecutive wins over fantasy). If anything maintaining that sort of winrate over a shorter period of time is harder due to less preparation and leagues running simultaneously. Even in 2012 Flash was looking like he'd go undefeated throughout proleague but they ended up with similar records. Congrats to Fantasy but don't kid yourselves that barely getting ahead on ELO after years of trailing means he's in any way matched flash's achievements. If anything he's just in peak form atm and is still only one ezmode OSL group ahead. Beating Flash in 1 game doesn't mean that much considering the history between the two (Flash 13-6 H2H). I really hope they meet in a Bo5 one last time because that will really decide the best player of 2012. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On June 01 2012 11:24 Scarecrow wrote: Flash went 20/21 from christmas to mid-february 2011 and 15-0 in August 2010 (incuding 4 consecutive wins over fantasy). If anything maintaining that sort of winrate over a shorter period of time is harder due to less preparation and leagues running simultaneously. Even in 2012 Flash was looking like he'd go undefeated throughout proleague but they ended up with similar records. Congrats to Fantasy but don't kid yourselves that barely getting ahead on ELO after years of trailing means he's in any way matched flash's achievements. If anything he's just in peak form atm and is still only one ezmode OSL group ahead. Beating Flash in 1 game doesn't mean that much considering the history between the two (Flash 13-6 H2H). I really hope they meet in a Bo5 one last time because that will really decide the best player of 2012. You said something scary without knowing. Will Flash not receive MVP for PL in the next award ceremony? | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 01 2012 11:24 Scarecrow wrote: Flash went 20/21 from christmas to mid-february 2011 and 15-0 in August 2010 (incuding 4 consecutive wins over fantasy). If anything maintaining that sort of winrate over a shorter period of time is harder due to less preparation and leagues running simultaneously. Even in 2012 Flash was looking like he'd go undefeated throughout proleague but they ended up with similar records. Congrats to Fantasy but don't kid yourselves that barely getting ahead on ELO after years of trailing means he's in any way matched flash's achievements. If anything he's just in peak form atm and is still only one ezmode OSL group ahead. Beating Flash in 1 game doesn't mean that much considering the history between the two (Flash 13-6 H2H). I really hope they meet in a Bo5 one last time because that will really decide the best player of 2012. Don't go getting all butt hurt. I thought it was quite clear that I was discussing ELO (and specifically, why it is probably mathematically impossible at this point for Fantasy to surpass Flash's peak even if he goes 100% until the end of Broodwar), not overall dominance. There is absolutely no question that Flash is the more accomplished player. I never said otherwise. However, no, you are absolutely wrong in assuming that maintaining a high win percentage over a shorter period of time is more difficult. History has shown us that progamers tend to be very streaky -- and for good reason. Achieving monstrously high win rates requires you to be ahead of the curve in metagame, and the more time that passes the easier it is for other players to break down your metagame, meaning that you have to make new metagame. Your assumption would only be correct if metagame were static -- that is to say if there was absolutely no new timings or strategies left to be discovered! | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On June 01 2012 11:48 Mortality wrote: However, no, you are absolutely wrong in assuming that maintaining a high win percentage over a shorter period of time is more difficult. History has shown us that progamers tend to be very streaky -- and for good reason. Achieving monstrously high win rates requires you to be ahead of the curve in metagame, and the more time that passes the easier it is for other players to break down your metagame, meaning that you have to make new metagame. Your assumption would only be correct if metagame were static -- that is to say if there was absolutely no new timings or strategies left to be discovered! I know which Fantasy would prefer. 21 games spread out or 21 games played over a short period of time in simultaneous leagues. Preparation counts for alot, it gives more time to adjust and come up with new timings/strategies. Especially if you throw in that Flash had to prepare and win ace/osl matches during his peak periods against players who had more time to prepare counters to how he was playing. 19/21 over 6 months (averages at slightly less than 1 game a week, no ace matches, only 1 map to prepare for) is impressive but in no way is it more impressive than similar records over a shorter time period. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On June 01 2012 13:15 J1.au wrote: I can't wait for Flash and Fantasy to meet again in a Bo5 this OSL. Yes it will happen. Best way for Fanta to show he is indeed dominant now? Bo5 wins vs Soulkey, Flash and Jangbi on the way to OSL championship. Ideally with Flash or Jangbi as the championship match. If he can do 3-0s I WILL BE AMAZED. | ||
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scrubtastic
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On June 01 2012 12:00 Scarecrow wrote: I know which Fantasy would prefer. 21 games spread out or 21 games played over a short period of time in simultaneous leagues. Preparation counts for alot, it gives more time to adjust and come up with new timings/strategies. Especially if you throw in that Flash had to prepare and win ace/osl matches during his peak periods against players who had more time to prepare counters to how he was playing. 19/21 over 6 months (averages at slightly less than 1 game a week, no ace matches, only 1 map to prepare for) is impressive but in no way is it more impressive than similar records over a shorter time period. Flash is probably the absolute best in turning around disadvantageous games. Not that he's not good at planning (he is definitely really good at that) but if there's one thing that Flash can be defined by, it's his ability to negate early game disadvantages through crisis management/calculated risks/superior decisionmaking in order to come out even or ahead in late game. At his peak Flash was on the losing end of build orders very often. Like, holy shit often. And he still pulled out tons of wins anyway, because he would use his immaculate gamesense, claw his way out of the hole, and do enough to earn a lategame win. This is exactly the type of player that does absurdly well without that much planning. Sure it hurts, but it probably didn't hurt Flash very much in comparison to the way it hurts other players like Fantasy. I think you're overstating the effect of lack of planning time given the attributes Flash has. | ||
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Black[CAT]
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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Ideas
United States8084 Posts
On June 01 2012 16:26 red4ce wrote: Doesn't matter. All BW results after last season's proleague finals are asterisked anyways. fantasy was better than flash up to and during the proleague finals | ||
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Funnytoss
Taiwan1471 Posts
On June 01 2012 15:33 MichaelDonovan wrote: Doesn't really mean much now that these guys are cutting their BW training time for SC2 imo. One would assume that Fantasy is also losing BW time in favor of SC2, so it's a level playing field regardless. Still impressive. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On June 01 2012 16:30 Ideas wrote: fantasy was better than flash up to and during the proleague finals That must've been why flash won the awards for regular season MVP and most wins -.- Agreed Fantasy beat him in 1 game in the final | ||
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Ideas
United States8084 Posts
On June 01 2012 16:44 Scarecrow wrote: That must've been why flash won the awards for regular season MVP and most wins -.- Agreed Fantasy beat him in 1 game in the final that's true regular season MVP could not possibly ever be wrong I would argue that fantasy showed more dominance in his games. they both only had 2 losses (flash to 2 protoss, fantasy to 2 terran). fantasy just played less games because his team wasn't as bad as flash's. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5594 Posts
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On June 01 2012 16:45 Ideas wrote: that's true regular season MVP could not possibly ever be wrong I would argue that fantasy showed more dominance in his games. they both only had 2 losses (flash to 2 protoss, fantasy to 2 terran). fantasy just played less games because his team wasn't as bad as flash's. 16-2 vs 13-2 regular season records and opponent difficulty favours flash if anyone. Having a strong team isn't an excuse, it might've saved Fantasy from dropping another game. Basically, Flash deserved MVP despite Fantasy's awesome season. Showing more dominance in the games? That's pretty subjective, alot of Flash's games looked disgustingly one sided. People forget so quickly the 14 game win streak to start the season. There was even a thread at the time trying to work out who, if anyone, could stop him. | ||
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figq
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Ideas
United States8084 Posts
On June 01 2012 17:02 Scarecrow wrote: 16-2 vs 13-2 regular season records and opponent difficulty favours flash if anyone. Having a strong team isn't an excuse, it might've saved Fantasy from dropping another game. Basically, Flash deserved MVP despite Fantasy's awesome season. Showing more dominance in the games? That's pretty subjective, alot of Flash's games looked disgustingly one sided. People forget so quickly the 14 game win streak to start the season. There was even a thread at the time trying to work out who, if anyone, could stop him. I get what you're saying. ultimately it just really sucks how shitty the BW scene has been since the last OSL ended. such fewer chances for players to prove their skill. had fantasy been given as much opportunity in that time as other players had before him, I would argue that he would probably be just as dominate as TBLS at their respective peaks. unfortunately, we were not given that chance to see what he was fully made of and instead we have to extrapolate from how dominate his few games have been :\ | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On June 01 2012 17:28 Ideas wrote: I get what you're saying. ultimately it just really sucks how shitty the BW scene has been since the last OSL ended. such fewer chances for players to prove their skill. had fantasy been given as much opportunity in that time as other players had before him, I would argue that he would probably be just as dominate as TBLS at their respective peaks. unfortunately, we were not given that chance to see what he was fully made of and instead we have to extrapolate from how dominate his few games have been :\ You absolutely cannot say that. I mean what the hell, Fantasy isn't some young rookie who has burst on the scene only to find it ending before he can prove himself. He's a fucking 5 year veteran of the game. He has had opportunity after opportunity to prove himself and has come up short the vast majority of times. You just can't pretend like he didn't have his chances and must therefore "extrapolate" from his meager success in Brood War's dying days. | ||
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United States37 Posts
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
On June 01 2012 00:10 pred470r wrote: Sadly there is no time to be back. Next proleague will be all sc2, and next osl probably as well. Flash isn't out of the OSL yet. On June 01 2012 23:53 Chainedsage wrote: The Last Bonjwa It seems the word, "bonjwa" has lost all meaning now. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On June 01 2012 17:28 Ideas wrote: I get what you're saying. ultimately it just really sucks how shitty the BW scene has been since the last OSL ended. such fewer chances for players to prove their skill. had fantasy been given as much opportunity in that time as other players had before him, I would argue that he would probably be just as dominate as TBLS at their respective peaks. unfortunately, we were not given that chance to see what he was fully made of and instead we have to extrapolate from how dominate his few games have been :\ Fanta's first game on TLPD is before Flash's first game (I understand it's a miniscule amount of time before, but it's still before). He had enough time to rise to TBLS level, he didn't. It is sad that BW is dying as Fanta is showing his best play ever, but it's kinda silly to say Fanta didn't have opportunity. That's kind of like saying if Fanta plays his last BW game and wins that implies Fanta was going to have a 100% winrate from there on. But this is foolish, we shouldn't be arguing about things like this. Fanta has been playing excellent starcraft for quite a while and deserves the top spot on ELO. Let's hope for some good (exciting) series play from him. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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Operations
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On June 02 2012 02:07 forsooth wrote: Even as a fan of Fantasy, it's hard to say this means much of anything. The quality of play has dropped so sharply with all the SC2 practice going on that being the best BW player now doesn't mean nearly as much as it did even six months ago. I believe Fantasy would've eventually found his way to the top of the scene anyway if things had continued as normal, but as is, best BW player right now actually means "least amount of skill lost." I don't see any reasons why would any pro would play worse. They know the maps, they know their game and they played each scenario thousands of time. they did not forget how to play. | ||
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
On June 02 2012 02:59 Operations wrote: I don't see any reasons why would any pro would play worse. They know the maps, they know their game and they played each scenario thousands of time. they did not forget how to play. No but they get a bit confused between the games from time to time apparently, but I believe they'll get better and better at that constant switch with time. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 01 2012 12:00 Scarecrow wrote: I know which Fantasy would prefer. 21 games spread out or 21 games played over a short period of time in simultaneous leagues. Preparation counts for alot, it gives more time to adjust and come up with new timings/strategies. Especially if you throw in that Flash had to prepare and win ace/osl matches during his peak periods against players who had more time to prepare counters to how he was playing. 19/21 over 6 months (averages at slightly less than 1 game a week, no ace matches, only 1 map to prepare for) is impressive but in no way is it more impressive than similar records over a shorter time period. Preparation cuts BOTH ways. Progamers are streaky. This is fact. Players like Lucifer and Shine have wracked up 12+ game win streaks. Why? It's not just caliber of competition. They developed metagame advantages that worked for a while, but then they got figured out. Soo is the same way, although he's been much better about reworking his timings to maintain success. But at the end of the day, Soo depends heavily on the fact that once he develops a timing for his hydra break, it takes Protoss a while before they can shut down his timing. The fact is that preparation does not start the moment you find out about an upcoming match. Preparation is CONSTANT. Flash's massive win records came not from preparing specifically for specific opponents or specific maps, but from preparing strategies with the flexibility to not only generalize to many different maps, but to allow Flash the advantage of many different timing options. The genius of Flash is that every time his metagame advantages were figured out and negated he was ready with a new change. Like everyone else, he certainly did get some help from other Terrans who were pioneering effectively, just as Fantasy is getting today. But I am not talking about Flash. I am not comparing Fantasy to Flash or Oov or any past bonjwa or anybody. I am not comparing the league situation, the SC2 situation, or the quality of competition. Not to Flash, not to anybody. If this is what you want to argue, then argue it elsewhere because it's not my point and never has been my point. MY POINT is that if a 90% win rate were successfully maintained over a period of length in time that has been this long during a period where more games were played, then Fantasy would have a much higher ELO rating. Against the same caliber competition Fantasy is facing now with the same number of games as Flash was playing at his peak, probably about 2400. The reality is that he has only increased in ELO by approximately 80 points (approx 2250 to 2330) even though his opponents have had a respectable average ELO rating. Hence my original argument: Fantasy does not have time to replace Flash's ELO peak even if he can maintain this current level of dominance. | ||
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Zona
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On June 02 2012 12:36 Zona wrote: It's amazing how some fans of a certain player can't accept that he's not clearly best anymore. On the other hand, its so weird watching Fantasy play nowadays. I'm no longer nervous about fantasy doing some weird build and dying to the most standard things, instead I just sit back grab a drink and watch some scrub get dismantled ezpz. This must be what Flash fans felt ; _ ; (feels goood) | ||
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BgSBendeR
Canada170 Posts
 Fantasy reign was suprisingly short.Flash is back on tophttp://i.imgur.com/9rej8.png | ||
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Piejonk
Canada53 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
On June 02 2012 12:36 Zona wrote: It's amazing how some fans of a certain player can't accept that he's not clearly best anymore. That's such a weird thing to say... Considering his run last season. With this SC2 business Flash is clearly much weaker and doesn't look like himself, but it's weird to talk like that. To me it just looks like Fantasy wants a BW title more. Hopefully they meet in ro8 or ro4 and we can see Flash motivated to practice bw... But to me Flash's strength was his dedication. No practice partners plus a coach telling him to practice sc2... This must have a sour taste to Fantasy. I bet Fantasy is thinking to himself "if only I'd broken it while proleague was still pure BW, there would be no doubt." It's pretty disrespectful to what Flash accomplished to judge him on games that are basically post-BW era for progaming. Even in the Proleague finals where he lost, he looked very strong still and I would still have given favour in a BoX. That being said, Fantasy was definitely knocking on the door while BW was still the only game in proleague, even if it was during a season that was clearly anticipating SC2. If BW had continued there would be good reason to think he could challenge Flash and at least make his name as one of the Kings. But Flash wouldn't exactly be slumping/deteriorating so much. If you think that you're a fool. | ||
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AdrianInzunza
Mexico44 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:22 BgSBendeR wrote: Well Fantasy reign was suprisingly short.Flash is back on tophttp://i.imgur.com/9rej8.png if they meet i think Fantasy is the favorite to win right now! | ||
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Rodiel3
France1158 Posts
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
fwiw, I'm pretty sure Fanta > Flash in BW at the moment. | ||
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:22 BgSBendeR wrote: Well Fantasy reign was suprisingly short.Flash is back on tophttp://i.imgur.com/9rej8.png LOL You do know ELO works right??? Flash played 2 games and won both.. .gain ELO points... Fantasy played 0 games (b/c he 3-0 his group) and gained 0 points... You can only gain Elo points based on playing... Once they meet in the Semi's and Fantasy beats Flash, it will be even sweeter. | ||
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:25 catabowl wrote: LOL You do know ELO works right??? Flash played 2 games and won both.. .gain ELO points... Fantasy played 0 games (b/c he 3-0 his group) and gained 0 points... You can only gain Elo points based on playing... Once they meet in the Semi's and Fantasy beats Flash, it will be even sweeter. So? In the OSL, Flash won against Bogus and Action(twice), while Fantasy had 3 easy wins against the Royal roaders, yet Flash is still ahead in Elo despite losing some points by losing 2 games(to Jangbi and Bogus). They both won thrice, Flash just did it later. | ||
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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RAPiDCasting
Korea (South)594 Posts
It seemed inevitable, but now that it's here, I must admit, it's well deserved | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Australia7535 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
On June 06 2012 13:05 ShadeR wrote: lol Stork and Jaedong overtook soulkey Which is better that way, cmon Jaedong is still the best zerg around . Soulkey has a great ZvP, but his ZvZ and ZvT doesnt match Jaedong. | ||
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Kiett
United States7639 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On June 06 2012 13:16 Kiett wrote: 1-5 are now TBLS + Fantasy. Things are how they should be Screenshotted for prosperity and remembrance. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
On June 06 2012 13:16 Kiett wrote: 1-5 are now TBLS + Fantasy. Things are how they should be yes this is very rare | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
On June 06 2012 13:16 Kiett wrote: 1-5 are now TBLS + Fantasy. Things are how they should be No they are not. People without OSLs shouldn't be on top. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:59 IntoTheWow wrote: No they are not. People without OSLs shouldn't be on top. Bisu? | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
OH LOL, thanks for pointing that out! XD I was totally going ''Wtf, all of them have won Starleagues''. Boy, was I wrong. :D | ||
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Canada3363 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:36 Gescom wrote: Three MSLs is nothing to shake a stick at. >_> If you have three MSLs and three OSLs it is. :D | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3693 Posts
Seriously, you have NO idea how impossible it is to make Valkyries fire backwards. Its so hard, even Fantasy fails at doing it the whole first half of the game! | ||
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Sumsi
Germany593 Posts
On July 17 2012 06:17 bITt.mAN wrote: He will stand, for all time, as the only progamer to ever successively micro Valkyries. None can touch his control, he is the true heir to Boxer: 11:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEvu1iiYm5o&feature=player_embedded#!&t=680s Seriously, you have NO idea how impossible it is to make Valkyries fire backwards. Its so hard, even Fantasy fails at doing it the whole first half of the game! Fantasy surely knows how to control his air unit. He even brings BCs to dance: | ||
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s1ege
Korea (South)123 Posts
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beachbeachy
United States509 Posts
On July 17 2012 07:01 s1ege wrote: further proof that fantasy will beat flash 3-0 in long post 30 minute games showing superior micro, macro and game sense. 6 posts, is this a troll? Flash's game sense is unparalleled. His micro and macro are equal with the best. Fantasy's management game is at best, on par with flash's. Don't get me wrong, fantasy is a great player and he's on a hot streak, but there's a reason why flash is the best player in the world. Everyone is the underdog when playing flash. | ||
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Piste
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best that there ever was, and will be (most likely). Fanta is so close tho! It's a that Fantasy and Flash has to meet before finals | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On July 17 2012 07:45 beachbeachy wrote: 6 posts, is this a troll? Flash's game sense is unparalleled. His micro and macro are equal with the best. Fantasy's management game is at best, on par with flash's. Don't get me wrong, fantasy is a great player and he's on a hot streak, but there's a reason why flash is the best player in the world. Everyone is the underdog when playing flash. He's probably yet another account of GG.Nore. Or maybe he's Lightwip's alt | ||
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Norada
China482 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Norada
China482 Posts
On July 17 2012 09:00 GolemMadness wrote: God does not get swept in a BO5. :> | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On July 17 2012 09:00 GolemMadness wrote: God does not get swept in a BO5. + Show Spoiler + lol | ||
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WhX
Germany778 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + kekeke :3 But tbh, I expected sth. like a 3:1 Fanta, but not a clean 3:0... That was just brutal. | ||
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France782 Posts
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GhostOwl
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On July 17 2012 09:00 GolemMadness wrote: God does not get swept in a BO5. + Show Spoiler + Eat your words =DDDDDDDD | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51475 Posts
Playing to much SC2 kills your ability to play SC:BW. Fantasy EZ win, all hail the leader | ||
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Azera
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Heart-broken. | ||
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Artunit
Philippines399 Posts
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RetoX
Hong Kong252 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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YoucriedWolf
Sweden1456 Posts
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
Jung Myun Hoon! | ||
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United States151 Posts
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Potling
Norway298 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/85848450/Fantasy_elo_before.png) After: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/85848450/Fantasy_elo_after.png) | ||
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Singapore85 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 17 2012 09:00 GolemMadness wrote: God does not get swept in a BO5. + Show Spoiler + lol -- Fantasy will go down in history as the best Terran in Brood War at the end of times now. | ||
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Motivate
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lol that's before tonight's match as well his elo is gonna skyrocket | ||
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Potling
Norway298 Posts
On July 17 2012 22:44 Motivate wrote: lol that's before tonight's match as well his elo is gonna skyrocket Yeah, gonna update the post to show the difference afterwards. | ||
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Norada
China482 Posts
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
T1 number one, baby! 100 elo difference between top 3 and the 4th guy. Also: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hepBr.jpg) Oov would be so proud ;( | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
On July 17 2012 22:43 Dodgin wrote: + Show Spoiler + lol -- Fantasy will go down in history as the best Terran in Brood War at the end of times now. lol... no hes not his current level is his peak which is still lower than flash's peak + flash has the most titles and best win% | ||
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GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Ideas
United States8084 Posts
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S2Glow
Singapore1042 Posts
damm flash i guess he play too much sc2 :/ | ||
dartoo
India2889 Posts
And that dropship play didnt really work out... Good stuff fantasy...but jangbi will win :p | ||
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On July 18 2012 11:07 Ideas wrote: has anyone made 3 OSL finals in a row before? boxer maybe? Yup Boxer. Sp 01 Hanbitsoft - BoxeR vs JinNam Su 01 Coca-Cola - BoxeR vs YellOw Fa 01 SKY 2001 - GARIMTO vs BoxeR | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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United States795 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
[Edit: just fyi, it was already top on the list when I replied, so I didn't help bump it.] | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On July 18 2012 12:00 dRaW wrote: There was Flash v Jaedong as well when they both made consecutive finals That was in MSL And if you count MSL, then sAviOr destroys everything with 5 consecutive finals. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On July 18 2012 09:58 dRaW wrote: lol... no hes not his current level is his peak which is still lower than flash's peak + flash has the most titles and best win% Good stuff for Fantasy. But he's not close to taking anything away from Flash's legacy. Flash losing doesn't change anything. He will always be the greatest terran and bw player of all time. Record and wins over Jaedong at his peak speak for themselves. Saying Fantasy would have surpassed him is pure speculation. Fantasy had a long time to prove himself the best. Winning in tvt against Flash is ultra impressive. But he also lost to Jangbi last time around. And Jangbi at his peak is no Jaedong or Bisu. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On July 18 2012 12:37 Subversive wrote: Good stuff for Fantasy. But he's not close to taking anything away from Flash's legacy. Flash losing doesn't change anything. He will always be the greatest terran and bw player of all time. Record and wins over Jaedong at his peak speak for themselves. Saying Fantasy would have surpassed him is pure speculation. Fantasy had a long time to prove himself the best. Winning in tvt against Flash is ultra impressive. But he also lost to Jangbi last time around. And Jangbi at his peak is no Jaedong or Bisu. Yeah I agree. Things would have been different if Fantasy had won Batoo OSL. That was so close. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On July 18 2012 11:46 ShadeR wrote: Yup Boxer. Sp 01 Hanbitsoft - BoxeR vs JinNam Su 01 Coca-Cola - BoxeR vs YellOw Fa 01 SKY 2001 - GARIMTO vs BoxeR so did flash (and the msl at same time) Ever, Korean air, korean air 2 (nate, hanastock, bigfile) | ||
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Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
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metzninja
New Zealand626 Posts
But yeah, I'm glad that at least two players have avoided being completely shortchanged by the last couple of years. It's fitting that they're both in the last final | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On July 18 2012 13:15 Archers_bane wrote: I dont think there is any doubt that Fantasy is an S caliber player! What wonderful play he has been showing Not just cementing his place, but playing better than most of TBLS. Would have been interesting to see how players like Fantasy, Soulkey and newer players would have performed. And Effort. I love Effort. He was always amazing. I'm sure he could have reclaimed that spark. EDIT: And Stats. How can anyone not like Stats? He's a rock for his team. Like a better version of Sea. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On July 18 2012 12:49 endy wrote: Yeah I agree. Things would have been different if Fantasy had won Batoo OSL. That was so close. Thinking back of that series still gave me nerd chills ... | ||
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pat777
United States356 Posts
Wish Fantasy faced this player instead of Jangbi in the finals. Though I guess Reality is one of Jangbi's practice partners. Jangbi's getting used to reality before facing fantasy. | ||
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Australia2229 Posts
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fakgfdgfdh
79 Posts
On June 01 2012 16:44 Scarecrow wrote: That must've been why flash won the awards for regular season MVP and most wins -.- Agreed Fantasy beat him in 1 game in the final and in what way has the mvpaward got to do with who was the best performing player that season? On June 01 2012 18:05 J1.au wrote: You absolutely cannot say that. I mean what the hell, Fantasy isn't some young rookie who has burst on the scene only to find it ending before he can prove himself. He's a fucking 5 year veteran of the game. He has had opportunity after opportunity to prove himself and has come up short the vast majority of times. You just can't pretend like he didn't have his chances and must therefore "extrapolate" from his meager success in Brood War's dying days. prove himself what? came up short how? chances for what On June 02 2012 02:04 revy wrote: Fanta's first game on TLPD is before Flash's first game (I understand it's a miniscule amount of time before, but it's still before). He had enough time to rise to TBLS level, he didn't. It is sad that BW is dying as Fanta is showing his best play ever, but it's kinda silly to say Fanta didn't have opportunity. That's kind of like saying if Fanta plays his last BW game and wins that implies Fanta was going to have a 100% winrate from there on. But this is foolish, we shouldn't be arguing about things like this. Fanta has been playing excellent starcraft for quite a while and deserves the top spot on ELO. Let's hope for some good (exciting) series play from him. enough time what? he has. On July 18 2012 12:37 Subversive wrote: Good stuff for Fantasy. But he's not close to taking anything away from Flash's legacy. Flash losing doesn't change anything. He will always be the greatest terran and bw player of all time. Record and wins over Jaedong at his peak speak for themselves. Saying Fantasy would have surpassed him is pure speculation. Fantasy had a long time to prove himself the best. Winning in tvt against Flash is ultra impressive. But he also lost to Jangbi last time around. And Jangbi at his peak is no Jaedong or Bisu. flash also lost to dear the last time. and dear is no fantasy. this is not how you compare | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
On July 18 2012 14:16 pat777 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/712_Reality Wish Fantasy faced this player instead of Jangbi in the finals. Though I guess Reality is one of Jangbi's practice partners. Jangbi's getting used to reality before facing fantasy. why would reality ever get near a finals? hes terrible... that would be a boring finals to watch I expect Fantasy to take this 3-1 or 3-0, go Fantasy! | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10125 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On July 22 2012 17:41 dRaW wrote: why would reality ever get near a finals? hes terrible... that would be a boring finals to watch I expect Fantasy to take this 3-1 or 3-0, go Fantasy! It's just a pun and a humourous comparison of the names 'Reality' and 'Fantasy'. I missed it at first too. | ||
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
Yeah, no pressure. Also, since Fantasy got his Lasik (got rid of his shiny red glasses) he's been unstoppable. Flash hit his peak in 2010. I believe Fantasy would have hit his peak by the end of this year. This is how I see it though. If I had to choose between Flash and Fantasy for a 1 game, everything on the line, I choose Fantasy. It is hard to prepare for Fantasy. He has done every build in TvT you can think of and Flash would have to scout mad. In a 5 game set, It is a coin flip. No one saw the 3-0 coming from either side. What that told me is that Fantasy is a great preparer. He saw some kind of hole in Flash's game (very small but a hole) and he exploited it and won the games. Flash is all-time great. No one is saying he's not. He's defintely Top 3 of all-time but as of now, Fantasy is better. Same thing in Tennis. We would all agree Federer is one of the Top 3 Greatest tennis players ever, but if he played Nadal we would choose Nadal because Nadal is slightly better at this moment (when healthy). That does not take away anything Fed has done. Do you see the comparison? We will never know what would have happened 2-3 years from now. I can just picture the scene when Fantasy/Flash/Jaedong/Bisu/Stork would enter the Air Force at the same time and all be on ACE... man that would have been fun to see. | ||
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Australia3596 Posts
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
On July 22 2012 20:33 J1.au wrote: BW is pretty much dead, that you SKT fans keep trying to pretend otherwise is disturbing to me. Flash isn't practicing BW full-time, no one is, what happened in the OSL has no significance. Call me when Fantasy goes back in time to face some decent competition. Bitter much? Think what you will of OSL but you have no excuse for the last PL finals. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
On July 22 2012 20:33 J1.au wrote: BW is pretty much dead, that you SKT fans keep trying to pretend otherwise is disturbing to me. Flash isn't practicing BW full-time, no one is, what happened in the OSL has no significance. Call me when Fantasy goes back in time to face some decent competition. says KT rolster fan xDDDDD | ||
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Russian Federation3209 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On July 22 2012 21:00 rebdomine wrote: Bitter much? Think what you will of OSL but you have no excuse for the last PL finals. that's actually a really disgraceful comment that comes off as bitter, petty and disrespectful. anyone who says the OSL has no significance does not deserve the KT team tag. | ||
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United States5912 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On July 23 2012 00:33 zeehar wrote: that's actually a really disgraceful comment that comes off as bitter, petty and disrespectful. anyone who says the OSL has no significance does not deserve the KT team tag. no significance is really harsh but anyone who thinks that it had similar siginificance with the previous few OSL's is also quite wrong. most of the current OSL players played quite a ton of PL games in SC2 and did decently, which means they didn't fully focus on BW, which is most definitely not normal. | ||
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