EPTI mean. his retirement come out of nowhere (at least on TL) and judging by his recent play, Brave was doing pretty good in PL.
Stork: "There needs to be a Players Council." - Page 12
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
I mean. his retirement come out of nowhere (at least on TL) and judging by his recent play, Brave was doing pretty good in PL. | ||
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Furaha
Germany271 Posts
We all knew that this only could become very worse for the Players. And ye ofc KeSPA needs to kill bw as soon as possible, otherwise they will die themselves. Broodwar for Life T_Tv | ||
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
On May 23 2012 06:57 HawaiianPig wrote: Around the time when Jaedong was getting royally screwed on his free agency, I remember thinking, "Man, they really need a players association". It's nice to see someone piping up about this. Poor stork  Honestly, this Proleague should have been delayed so players could have had proper time to prepare for SC2 pure. The hybrid format is just a mess. I like your thoughts on this.. but look at Stork speaking out. I really like this guy! | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
On May 23 2012 12:55 empty.bottle wrote: LOL, that's cause you don't understand what BW means to them, how could you? How could I? But this I know, Sc2 players play for the money. BW players play because they love what they do. Right... | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
BW players also play for the money, but with ANY sport that has a lasting influence and niche audience / membership the players do develop personal sentimental attachment to the game. See the aftermath of MBCGame and the casters / players' reaction to it. They weren't just upset because they lost a job / income source, they were also upset because it was something they had a personal passion in. So would SC2 players years down the line and it obviously varies from player to player. It's illogical to call out extremes like one group exclusively do one thing because you can always find outliers to the contrary give a large enough sample size. But it is public conception and phenomenon at least right now that BW, being the older and more nostalgic game has more sentimental attachment rather than just the monetary when compared to SC2. | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
On May 23 2012 18:45 Caihead wrote: BW players also play for the money, but with ANY sport that has a lasting influence and niche audience / membership the players do develop personal sentimental attachment to the game. See the aftermath of MBCGame and the casters / players' reaction to it. They weren't just upset because they lost a job / income source, they were also upset because it was something they had a personal passion in. So would SC2 players years down the line and it obviously varies from player to player. It's illogical to call out extremes like one group exclusively do one thing because you can always find outliers to the contrary give a large enough sample size. But it is public conception and phenomenon at least right now that BW, being the older and more nostalgic game has more sentimental attachment rather than just the monetary when compared to SC2. So if i would have been a Warcraft 2 pro, i would have the right to call every BW player going for money only? You cannot agree with him calling EVERYONE who plays Sc2 at pro level playing for money. This is just not right | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On May 23 2012 07:55 Belha wrote: But of course he has problems! And he is defending himself AND the many others in his position - who aren't brave enough to speak up.I do not agree with all the "hail stork" around. He's saying this just now that the transition to sc2 is happening. What about all the years before? Boxer have retired a few years ago, not now. It is rumored that Stork is not that good at Sc2 (just a rumor). If that is true, then i think stork is just worried about him and other players that indeed and sadly will get out of the scene. I'm just trying to think what he said, don't summon a shitstorm over me. I think you misunderstood the reason to respect Stork - he's not the white knight who isn't in trouble himself but just saving the poor kids; no, he's one of those in trouble, but he's courageous enough to do something about it and help others too. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
There really should be a players organization, and a team organization, which could work together on making sure that tournament organizers have some kind of standards with regards to rules, quality of venue, etc. (Think the difference between an MLG and that "event" in India.) Ultimately, players are the ones with all of the power, but they don't have a way of focusing that clout in a meaningful way when it comes to trying to protect their interests as a group; teams do amazing things for players most of the time, but not all teams are equal. (I'm lookin' at you Eclypsia.) I'm glad that a major BW pro like Stork feels like this is a good time to try and push against the monolith that is KeSPA. Even the kinder gentler KeSPA could benefit from a strong players organization, and it can help to put a stop to attempts to divide and conquer the market. (I'm lookin' at you Sundance.) Would have to be a global organization, though, and not limit itself to only KeSPA or GOM or Foreigner players. Stork, you're a hero. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
That being said totally agree that SC2 players uninion would be perfect ie, Korean SC2 Players Association - EU SC2 Players Association - North American SC2 Players Association. And so on, would be a perfect way for this sport to go to be more professional. Then they can voice concerns to tournament directors at a starting block, then eventually there might be a general governing body formed by the likes of KESPA and others who want to take up a role of trying to govern the whole institute. But this is another topic! Stork is right in a sense, but you cant blame KESPA for overlooking a bit of BW stuff when its the first time they have gone into SC2, and going into the transition. And yes like others have said, its easy to jump ship in SC2, if you don't like it come and join another team! | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
Lead the way, Commander! | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On May 23 2012 18:55 Pandemona wrote: Hmmmm, so he seems to be greived at the lack of preperation for the BW side of this years (last) pro league season? When you can understand the annoyance it must be when you are faced with lack of preperation for your upcoming matches, BUT that said you can't really blame KESPA to much? There main focus would of been on getting the SC2 side completely right so there would be no problems? You could understand there mistake made on not releasing the BW maps until the day before by accident? That being said totally agree that SC2 players uninion would be perfect ie, Korean SC2 Players Association - EU SC2 Players Association - North American SC2 Players Association. And so on, would be a perfect way for this sport to go to be more professional. Then they can voice concerns to tournament directors at a starting block, then eventually there might be a general governing body formed by the likes of KESPA and others who want to take up a role of trying to govern the whole institute. But this is another topic! Stork is right in a sense, but you cant blame KESPA for overlooking a bit of BW stuff when its the first time they have gone into SC2, and going into the transition. And yes like others have said, its easy to jump ship in SC2, if you don't like it come and join another team! The purpose of this league is to actually ween the current BW fanbase off BW and onto SC2. It's quite disgusting really (and it's not working HAH!) | ||
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EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
On May 23 2012 19:03 ShadeR wrote: The purpose of this league is to actually ween the current BW fanbase off BW and onto SC2. It's quite disgusting really (and it's not working HAH!) If not for the game, stay for the players. I'll support the likes of TBLS until the day the retire. | ||
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.AK
United States561 Posts
On May 23 2012 08:47 Tru_m4n wrote: BW, and e-sports in general, needs more people like Stork. The world needs more people like Stork. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
That said, he's got the rights to say what he feels and it's nice that he does so. But it won't change much if anything. Except that he gained some more fans maybe, but i always liked him. | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
The national french football team actually went on strike during the South african world cup (gotta admit, a hilarious moment for us irish expats, especially after the thierry henry hand goal....). Thats a bit extreme, i gotta admit, but really, that is a solution that often forces negociations. | ||
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Keone
United States812 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44302 Posts
On May 23 2012 07:06 KawaiiRice wrote: SONG BYUNG GU SONG BYUNG GU Indeed  | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2585 Posts
Gogo Commander Stork! | ||
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
On May 23 2012 19:14 Douillos wrote: Ah, The french with whome ive been living for the past 20 years have a very easy answer to these problems... its called going on strike. The national french football team actually went on strike during the South african world cup (gotta admit, a hilarious moment for us irish expats, especially after the thierry henry hand goal....). Thats a bit extreme, i gotta admit, but really, that is a solution that often forces negociations. Chances are the players can't strike without punitive action being taken and any action an individual takes effects the whole team. I really do wish players had the agency they deserved though, I can only hope someday they get it With regards to the whole playing sc2 purely for money thing. There are certainly players in sc2 like stephano who care more about money than the game. He's more of a realist with intentions to go into medicine when decides to retire because he doesn't see sc2 as a real career option for himself. Then you have players like MKP for whom the game is clearly everything and each win and loss is a lot more to him than just potential money gained. I'm not going to play the who is nobler game because that's dumb but there is undoubtedly an mixture of players in sc2 who do it for the money and those who do it because they love pro-gaming. | ||
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Deimos0
Poland277 Posts
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