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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
May 11 2012 16:47 GMT
#201
On May 11 2012 14:29 Kipsate wrote:
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it's lack of sponsorship that killed BW.

thats what he says.

He knows so much!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 11 2012 16:57 GMT
#202
This season will be bad, we all know it, but is it really such a bad thing?

Now, put your own imaginary world aside for a moment. We know KeSPA has struggled to find a sponsor for Team 8, we know this. We also know that with each new season it gets harder for them to find a sponsor for Starleague, although the interest is there.

We've had a good run, I'm a late joiner, I started watching regularly sometime early 2010, it's been fantastic. (I did watch a bit before that, but not in the same way, my following brood war dates back to reading battle reports from this tournament).

And I'm one of the people who have gone back and read and watched the past. There is so much material... I haven't even covered a tenth of it yet.

But even for those who've been following religiously all along, watching most every game, there is something to be happy about.

And no, no one is happy about Brood War coming to an end, but what's the alternative? One can only assume that sponsorship wasn't about to pick up, and the international audience is small compared to other popular esports titles.

Are you not glad that our heroes have been given the opportunity to transition? The opportunity to continue their careers? Would you rather see Brood War die a slow death over a long time? Would that not scar it's legacy?

We have already seen the last Pro-League championship, and man did that end fittingly, we will soon see the last OSL champion, and even if the game quality is not up there, last OSL tournament was epic, the finals were really, really good.

Think 10 years down the line, we don't know what will happen once we're there, if esports survived, what games we will be playing, but in 10 years, you sit down, and you want to show someone the legacy of Brood War, show them this era in gaming. Do you want to end up having to put a disclaimer that brood war post 2014? 2015? will not be worth watching as new players don't pick up the game and or teams can't get sponsorships, resulting in ever smaller tournaments until the game implodes on itself?

To us, this pro-league season will be long, but two years down the line there will be no korean brood war, and we should be glad that it went away with it's dignity intact, with it's legacy whole, and it's content pure gold right up until the last championship. There will be no devaluing of Brood War. This season will be forgotten as the transitional season. The last OSL will be remembered as the last tournament, and there are achievements to be had. Flash will be truly immortal if he gets his fourth win. Stork and Fantasy will be looking to get their second win to earn their place among the legends, beneath the gods, but above the greats. The royal road remains open, will there be a ninth royal roader? How will Brood War end?

What's clear is that it will not end in mediocrity, sure, we cannot guarantee that this will be an excellent OSL, but it won't be mediocre, it will be great. These players will be giving it all, they know this is the last chance to put their name on brood war history.

10 years down the line I will be talking to someone about Esports, and I will be able to say with a straight face "There used to be this game called Starcraft: Brood War. Watch it, all of it, right until the end."

And for that I'm happy.
Computer says mafia
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 11 2012 18:26 GMT
#203
On May 11 2012 14:30 Fionn wrote:
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On May 11 2012 14:23 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On May 11 2012 12:03 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
SC2 didn't kill BW so much as a series of events (Betting Scandal, decline in general interest, etc.) culminating in strong arm legal action by Blizzard.


It's not SC2 that's killing BW, it's lack of sponsorship that killed BW. When Blizzard settled with KESPA in court, Blizzard gave KESPA the go ahead to broadcast BW indefinitely. Unfortunately, KESPA has trouble finding sponsorship.

It's a given that if KESPA found sponsors, they would not be swtitching to SC2. Switching to SC2 is a last resort for KESPA - we're talking about the organization that bad mouthed SC2 on its release, and fought to death against Blizzard and GOM. For KESPA to switch to a game it harshly criticized and for KESPA to jump in bed with Blizzard and GOM, it's obvious KESPA was on its last breath for sponsorship.


Sorry, but KESPA would have switched to SC2 eventually. They have finally branched to the foreign audience with their global showing of OGNLoL and with the success of tournaments/viewership of SC2 outside of Korea, they would have got into the SC2 game sometime. When you see money to be made outside of Korea, and KESPA saying they wished they had branched out to the foreign audience sooner with Brood War, it might have not been this soon, but it would have gone down eventually where they put their foot into the Starcraft 2 game.

I love Brood War, but you're right about the sponsorships. You can't sit here and tell me everything is fine and that they don't need to change things when two and a half years ago there were twelve pro teams, all with sponsors, and now we're down to only eight with one of them not even having a sponsor.



You left out the fact that hardly any new money was coming in when it came to the major tournaments other than Korean Air.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 11 2012 21:38 GMT
#204
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
May 11 2012 21:47 GMT
#205
On May 12 2012 06:38 krndandaman wrote:
am i the only one who can't stand watching sc2 and won't be following the scene anymore?
might catch the bw vods time to time but i doubt the quality will be as good as it was before.

sigh

was looking forward to watch live bw games in korea again this summer but guess it's all over now.

-sad bw fan-

When are you going to Korea? OSL ends in late July.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 11 2012 22:02 GMT
#206
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Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
May 11 2012 22:28 GMT
#207
Two threads please.....
En Taro Adun, Executor!
Darion
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada265 Posts
May 11 2012 22:29 GMT
#208
I imagine that if someone has made it to the final rounds of OSL, they would concentrate much more heavily on practice for their singles matches than for Proleague.
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
May 11 2012 22:39 GMT
#209
On May 10 2012 16:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I really need to know how we should make LR threads to work though.


We all are human beings you know?

Bw veterans can gently help sc2 guys with the best game ever made, and sc2'ers help bw'ers with Sc2
Chicken gank op
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 11 2012 22:56 GMT
#210
On May 11 2012 14:16 0dem wrote:
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On May 11 2012 13:22 Befree wrote:
I hope everyone will at least watch a single game from both sides. I fear that players who didn't play SC1, might be deterred by the 14 year old graphics, though, and that those who haven't played SC2 might be deterred by.. well look at 80% of the responses in most threads on this topic..

I really hope that it goes well, though! Think if a few days after, we all of a sudden have a bunch of people picking up SC1/BW who had never tried it, and a bunch of others giving SC2 a try. And more enthusiasm and joy are infused into the Starcraft universe as a whole!

This is one of the most unique periods in StarCraft history, and I really hope you guys all don't waste it out of stubbornness. Let's just all take a break from our negative emotions for one night and see what happens. Going in with an attitude of "this is the dumbest thing of all time, I can't believe kespa is so stupid" will only hurt yourself. If on the following day you conclude "that was the dumbest proleague plan of all time, kespa is so stupid," that's okay. At least you gave it a chance.

I think one of the most interesting things for me will be seeing whom they send out for each game. I'm kind of thinking it'll be more like B-team players who they've had playing SC2 longer that will play that, and the top players will still play BW.I hope it doesn't get too much like this, though.

I want to see something along the lines of Flash/Action/Hoejja BW and then like Stats/CrazyHydra/Mind on SC2. Rather than some people who didn't even play last season taking all the SC2 spots.

This is the night when I return home for the summer. What a joyful night it will be . Time for CJ to get crushed! (But not really because I want to see 7 games.. )

Oh and I forgot to mention, hurray for ace matches!!


I dont think that there will be many B-Teamers. The way I understand the system is that if you get to play BW on one day, you have to play SC2 the next match. This should guarantee A-Teamer action; otherwise B-Teamers would have to play BW the next match.


what a terrible stupid system. sorry lee young ho you haven't a-moved enough pretty shit to justify us televising you playing one of the most compelling competitive games out there at the highest level anyone in history has ever played it
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
May 12 2012 00:14 GMT
#211
Jaedong play some bw please! Not a fan of this sc2 change but 11 hours of starcraft! YEAAAAAAHH BUDDY
Jaedong.
OtoshimonoU
Profile Joined December 2011
United States509 Posts
May 12 2012 00:36 GMT
#212
As in sc2; bw pros will play sc2? o_O;
God Young ho
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
May 12 2012 02:00 GMT
#213
On May 12 2012 07:39 Belha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 16:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I really need to know how we should make LR threads to work though.


We all are human beings you know?

Bw veterans can gently help sc2 guys with the best game ever made, and sc2'ers help bw'ers with Sc2

lol yea... that is exactly what is going to happen T.T I wish but no. I'm thinking two threads will be req. Flame wars will be huge unless the mods REALLY smash the hammer down.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
May 12 2012 03:05 GMT
#214
Holy s**t. Didn't realize this was starting so soon. Was curious as to why Flash seemed so focused on sc2 ._.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 12 2012 03:10 GMT
#215
On May 12 2012 11:00 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 07:39 Belha wrote:
On May 10 2012 16:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I really need to know how we should make LR threads to work though.


We all are human beings you know?

Bw veterans can gently help sc2 guys with the best game ever made, and sc2'ers help bw'ers with Sc2

lol yea... that is exactly what is going to happen T.T I wish but no. I'm thinking two threads will be req. Flame wars will be huge unless the mods REALLY smash the hammer down.


Two threads won't stop anything. Everyone will be watching the BW games and thus be in the BW LR flamewarring, and then all the flamewars will stay in the BW thread when the people actually watching the games either leave or move to the SC2 thread.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
May 12 2012 03:10 GMT
#216
On May 10 2012 16:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I really need to know how we should make LR threads to work though.

Separate, unless you want to argue with people every other post.

I mean, let's be fair: the SC2 games aren't going to be anywhere near top-caliber, and the more trollish of the SC2 fans will be quick to point that out, while the more trollish of the BW fans will be all, "This game sucks, why the fuck am I watching this shit?" which will just encourage way more hostility than is necessary between the two fanbases. Unless you want mass ban reports from both sides, in which case I encourage it.
Pasargadae
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)173 Posts
May 12 2012 03:17 GMT
#217
On May 12 2012 12:10 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 16:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I really need to know how we should make LR threads to work though.

Separate, unless you want to argue with people every other post.

I mean, let's be fair: the SC2 games aren't going to be anywhere near top-caliber, and the more trollish of the SC2 fans will be quick to point that out, while the more trollish of the BW fans will be all, "This game sucks, why the fuck am I watching this shit?" which will just encourage way more hostility than is necessary between the two fanbases. Unless you want mass ban reports from both sides, in which case I encourage it.


Fight for your right to party!
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
May 12 2012 03:25 GMT
#218
On May 12 2012 12:10 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 16:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I really need to know how we should make LR threads to work though.

Separate, unless you want to argue with people every other post.

I mean, let's be fair: the SC2 games aren't going to be anywhere near top-caliber, and the more trollish of the SC2 fans will be quick to point that out, while the more trollish of the BW fans will be all, "This game sucks, why the fuck am I watching this shit?" which will just encourage way more hostility than is necessary between the two fanbases. Unless you want mass ban reports from both sides, in which case I encourage it.


Agree with this, and I'm a fan of both games (sacrilege I know). Because of that though, I'm not sure where to turn. I hate the negativity on both sides. Like, I *really* want to see how the players approach SC2, but I'm also worried how all of that affects the BW games.

Either way, 8 hours of Starcraft is awesome I don't care what game it is.
STX Fighting!
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
May 12 2012 04:02 GMT
#219
Imagine this:

A day of Proleague starts. KT vs SKT1 rematch. Nice, well-done intro is shown. A sweeping camera shot shows a decent sized crowd.

The screen transitions to a couple of casters that are definitely not the Korean casters. Almost no one recognizes their faces.

But as they open their mouths, a silky-smooth, familiar voice rings out...

"Hello guys, this is CholeraSC with Klazart, here bringing you a LIVE cast of today's Brood War matches"

One can dream...
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
May 12 2012 04:06 GMT
#220
The best way is to make 2 separate same threads
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
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