One thread. It's time for the ridiculous BW vs. SC2 debates to end. The future has been decided. Yes it is sad and frankly I came into this scene far later than I would have liked (although I bought BW back when I was... 10? 11 years ago? jesus) and I love BW (probably more so than SC2 even though I play SC2 far more seriously than BW) but I think a combined thread would be better. IF it's aggressively moderated. I know that's probably the last thing the TL moderators want to do with their lives (especially when 8+ hours of Starcraft is on the table) but I do love both games and I think there are enough people that love both games that we can have civil conversations within a thread on the internet. Crazy I know.
I haven't read all the posts but I want to put in my opinion. Obviously, we're not going to see the same level of entertaining games that BW brought. But these players, before coming out in their BW games, practiced 5+ years to get to where they are now. And as many pointed out, SC2 is a different game and they won't be able to create incredible games with just 2-5 months of practice. But I think we just need to give it time for the meta-game to create itself.
Sure I would have loved to see BW continue to strive, but that's just not viable anymore. KeSPA, as much crap as we give them, is composed of highly qualified people in fields of business, and if they say it's not viable to go 100% BW, then, you might as well take their word for it. Although I hate to see BW Proleague turn into memories, I look forward to seeing the meta-game for SC2 progress and develop as the stars of BW take on the challenge.
Of course, I'm not belittling the achievements of the current SC2 stars, but the fact is, SOME of them WERE B-Teamers/Practice partners when apart of BW. So one can only beg the question, had TBLS, and other A-Teamers, moved over to SC2 when it first came out, would the meta-game be far more interesting than it is now? Again, I'm not saying that it isn't interesting, but would it have been MORE interesting?
I still think this mixing is the stupidest idea ever, but I'll probably watch the first day. If KESPA wants to switch to SC2 then fine, their choice, but as I've said for the nth time, I'd rather have it be a clean break and total switch over than this PL. If KESPA wants to get as many BW followers to SC2, having awful BW games and awful SC2 games will just make everyone angrier. Even Flash in his recent interview admitted that games of either will not be up to standard (in his case, and I'm assuming the same for all progamers; also given the overall game quality of ODT) and seriously, a whole season of this? I think KESPA is betting a lot on having a full day of BW and SC2 games (not to mention a whole season), because it has the potential to both be either a new dawn for them or backfire horribly, but I'd rather they just went all-in on SC2 because we all know there's no way that they will air BW again after this. Just my two cents.
I won't lie, reading all of this news about the media day and Flash SC2 FPVODs and stuff makes my insides twist because this is really it. I used to visit TL multiple times a day and now I only do so a few times because I find it too painful. Like others in this thread, I was thinking of stopping PL watching altogether, but I don't think I can stay away. I'll just watch the first day and see what happens.
On May 12 2012 22:21 Jealous wrote: KOREAN COMMENTARY FOREVER! No English in my BW please, no caster has matched the Koreans imo.
Well noone forces you to watch english commentary, but it would be nice if there was any
GOM does.
The international scene may be the Eldorado koreans seek, but the problem of getting late to the party is you're stuck with the leftovers, would be tough to have the premier ESPORTS tournament in the world casted by Moletrap. MLG could help much in putting forth a new generation of professional casters, but they'll have to put aside their love of Tastosis & Day9 to make that happen, that is, step up as an organization that doesn't depend on star casters to be popular.
On May 10 2012 16:38 S2Glow wrote: i just hope after watching 3 bw game. all the crowd leave! that will be epic!!!!
Well we need an dedicated Korean BW organisation to do this kind of sabotage, it will be cool if that happens for real :D I wonder if sc2 was first 3 sets then how many people will come to watch since sc2 is no big deal in Korea and deciding matches are still bw, i imagine half of the crowd comming for the bw matches only
On May 10 2012 16:38 S2Glow wrote: i just hope after watching 3 bw game. all the crowd leave! that will be epic!!!!
Well we need an dedicated Korean BW organisation to do this kind of sabotage, it will be cool if that happens for real :D I wonder if sc2 was first 3 sets then how many people will come to watch since sc2 is no big deal in Korea and deciding matches are still bw, i imagine half of the crowd comming for the bw matches only
If Sc2 was first 3 sets, then we should get them to change the start time from 12KST to 13/14KST. The sc2 players still play at 12KST though.
I will stay in the BW section of the LR for Proleague with ez if it will be splitted. Better hype, better atmosphere and people appreciate most of the players and their efforts. But the biggest thing is our "team culture" that is like the biggest factor for me personally why I'm so into BW pro scene. Cheering for KT and not just Flash, or cheering for SKT1 and not just Bisu makes it so much more fun and easier to connect with other people here on TL. It also creates this fun and awesome rivalry and it just adds to the whole experience.
You don't have this in SC2 because the teams are so spread out and GSTL ain't that great, nor the teams. The few teams I can think of that has a big "fanbase" that actually cheers for all the players in the team is Liquid, EG and some what SlayerS (most because it's the team of BoxeR, but most people are still just BoxeR, MMA and CoCa fans). So in SC2 people are just about single players instead. An example of this I think is good is the Flash Fanclub that got created recently and SC2 fans that haven't even seen Flash play BW or an official SC2 game are now "fans". But they aren't fans of the human Flash, or the player Flash, they are fans of the hype. And during all this hype you see and hear nothing about KT Rolster (the other players, coaches, managers) just Flash Flash Flash.
It's almost like I would want the hybrid Proleague to have one mixed LR thread so we could show them why Proleague is awesome and why cheering for a team is so much fun and better than just being a fan of some player that is playing the same race as you!
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I used to visit TL multiple times a day and now I only do so a few times because I find it too painful. Like others in this thread, I was thinking of stopping PL watching altogether, but I don't think I can stay away. I'll just watch the first day and see what happens. 
