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On May 11 2012 13:22 Befree wrote:
I hope everyone will at least watch a single game from both sides. I fear that players who didn't play SC1, might be deterred by the 14 year old graphics, though, and that those who haven't played SC2 might be deterred by.. well look at 80% of the responses in most threads on this topic..
I really hope that it goes well, though! Think if a few days after, we all of a sudden have a bunch of people picking up SC1/BW who had never tried it, and a bunch of others giving SC2 a try. And more enthusiasm and joy are infused into the Starcraft universe as a whole!
This is one of the most unique periods in StarCraft history, and I really hope you guys all don't waste it out of stubbornness. Let's just all take a break from our negative emotions for one night and see what happens. Going in with an attitude of "this is the dumbest thing of all time, I can't believe kespa is so stupid" will only hurt yourself. If on the following day you conclude "that was the dumbest proleague plan of all time, kespa is so stupid," that's okay. At least you gave it a chance.
I think one of the most interesting things for me will be seeing whom they send out for each game. I'm kind of thinking it'll be more like B-team players who they've had playing SC2 longer that will play that, and the top players will still play BW.I hope it doesn't get too much like this, though.
I want to see something along the lines of Flash/Action/Hoejja BW and then like Stats/CrazyHydra/Mind on SC2. Rather than some people who didn't even play last season taking all the SC2 spots.
This is the night when I return home for the summer. What a joyful night it will be . Time for CJ to get crushed! (But not really because I want to see 7 games.. )
Oh and I forgot to mention, hurray for ace matches!!
I dont think that there will be many B-Teamers. The way I understand the system is that if you get to play BW on one day, you have to play SC2 the next match. This should guarantee A-Teamer action; otherwise B-Teamers would have to play BW the next match.
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On May 11 2012 12:03 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
SC2 didn't kill BW so much as a series of events (Betting Scandal, decline in general interest, etc.) culminating in strong arm legal action by Blizzard.
Especially sponsorship. It's not SC2 that's killing BW, it's lack of sponsorship that killed BW. When Blizzard settled with KESPA in court, Blizzard gave KESPA the go ahead to broadcast BW indefinitely. Unfortunately, KESPA has trouble finding sponsorship.
It's a given that if KESPA found sponsors, they would not be swtitching to SC2. Switching to SC2 is a last resort for KESPA - we're talking about the organization that bad mouthed SC2 on its release, and fought to death against Blizzard and GOM. For KESPA to switch to a game it harshly criticized and for KESPA to jump in bed with Blizzard and GOM, it's obvious KESPA was on its last breath for sponsorship.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
it's lack of sponsorship that killed BW.
thats what he says.
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On May 11 2012 14:23 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 12:03 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
SC2 didn't kill BW so much as a series of events (Betting Scandal, decline in general interest, etc.) culminating in strong arm legal action by Blizzard.
It's not SC2 that's killing BW, it's lack of sponsorship that killed BW. When Blizzard settled with KESPA in court, Blizzard gave KESPA the go ahead to broadcast BW indefinitely. Unfortunately, KESPA has trouble finding sponsorship. It's a given that if KESPA found sponsors, they would not be swtitching to SC2. Switching to SC2 is a last resort for KESPA - we're talking about the organization that bad mouthed SC2 on its release, and fought to death against Blizzard and GOM. For KESPA to switch to a game it harshly criticized and for KESPA to jump in bed with Blizzard and GOM, it's obvious KESPA was on its last breath for sponsorship.
Sorry, but KESPA would have switched to SC2 eventually. They have finally branched to the foreign audience with their global showing of OGNLoL and with the success of tournaments/viewership of SC2 outside of Korea, they would have got into the SC2 game sometime. When you see money to be made outside of Korea, and KESPA saying they wished they had branched out to the foreign audience sooner with Brood War, it might have not been this soon, but it would have gone down eventually where they put their foot into the Starcraft 2 game.
I love Brood War, but you're right about the sponsorships. You can't sit here and tell me everything is fine and that they don't need to change things when two and a half years ago there were twelve pro teams, all with sponsors, and now we're down to only eight with one of them not even having a sponsor.
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I guess I'll have to start learning things huh...
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Don't know how this gona be... but seems like bad.. really bad
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They already stated no english stream for this season.
Will there be a free korean livestream that we can watch?
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On May 11 2012 20:31 Mentor wrote:
They already stated no english stream for this season.
Will there be a free korean livestream that we can watch?
they said no english stream for the opening day, yes there will be free korean livestream.
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On May 11 2012 20:31 Mentor wrote:
They already stated no english stream for this season.
Will there be a free korean livestream that we can watch?
There's always a free stream, just look at the calendar. http://www.youtube.com/esportstv is the official OGN stream.
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Hopefully it's ok to say this, but if you're really only a fan of BW/ disappointed with the direction PL is going, please consider only watching the BW games. Only way I can see BW staying is if OGN sees its by far more popular to watch than SC2.
I know this sounds stupid/naive, but if you really don't care for SC2 it doesn't cost you much and you might at least be able to make some sort of statement.
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On May 11 2012 21:25 nbaker wrote:
Hopefully it's ok to say this, but if you're really only a fan of BW/ disappointed with the direction PL is going, please consider only watching the BW games. Only way I can see BW staying is if OGN sees its by far more popular to watch than SC2.
I know this sounds stupid/naive, but if you really don't care for SC2 it doesn't cost you much and you might at least be able to make some sort of statement.
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Maybe that works when you are there in the audience, but there is way more foreign SC2 fans then BW ones lol.
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On May 11 2012 21:28 huehuehuehue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 21:25 nbaker wrote:
Hopefully it's ok to say this, but if you're really only a fan of BW/ disappointed with the direction PL is going, please consider only watching the BW games. Only way I can see BW staying is if OGN sees its by far more popular to watch than SC2.
I know this sounds stupid/naive, but if you really don't care for SC2 it doesn't cost you much and you might at least be able to make some sort of statement.
=/ Maybe that works when you are there in the audience, but there is way more foreign SC2 fans then BW ones lol.
Yeah I know that. The Koreans seem to be talking about doing something similar though, and if I can add to the drop off in any way I plan to.
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On May 11 2012 21:33 nbaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 21:28 huehuehuehue wrote:On May 11 2012 21:25 nbaker wrote:
Hopefully it's ok to say this, but if you're really only a fan of BW/ disappointed with the direction PL is going, please consider only watching the BW games. Only way I can see BW staying is if OGN sees its by far more popular to watch than SC2.
I know this sounds stupid/naive, but if you really don't care for SC2 it doesn't cost you much and you might at least be able to make some sort of statement.
=/ Maybe that works when you are there in the audience, but there is way more foreign SC2 fans then BW ones lol. Yeah I know that. The Koreans seem to be talking about doing something similar though, and if I can add to the drop off in any way I plan to.
This is really fucking childish, If they could have continued to do BW-only then they would have. It's clearly not working out, T8 still has no sponsor and who knows what is going on behind the scenes.
It looks like It's either these players make a transition or they are forced to retire and who knows what they will do considering most of them gave up their education to devote their lives to BW.
Right now the teams need their fans to be supportive and cheer them on, it's a damn scary time for the players and the management venturing into a different space after 10 years of BW. Half of the players are probably freaking out not knowing if they will make the cut in Starcraft 2. If you really care about your team and the players you love then think about their futures.
I don't expect everyone to share this viewpoint but this is how I see it, even if I didn't like Starcraft 2 at all I would rather have my boys be able to continue their careers in a new RTS game instead of becoming janitors.
I don't remember who exactly posted this before, but it was a great post.
Something along the lines of " If this mixed Proleague fails, then both sc1 and sc2 are dead in Korea. "
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I guess this is the end.
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So this is it. SC2 finally in the proscene...
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On May 11 2012 00:12 Chef wrote:
I don't know if ACE even has the funding to buy computers that can run SC2. They are probably just going to wing it.
I might now need to watch the SC2 portion when ACE plays....
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On May 11 2012 21:25 nbaker wrote:
Only way I can see BW staying is if OGN sees its by far more popular to watch than SC2.
That will never happen, because KESPA and OGN cannot find sponsors for BW. You have two choices:
a) OSL and Pro-League fold because there are no sponsors. All BW players are forced to retire.
b) A hybrid BW/SC2 league where BW players can continue their career.
There is no third choice. Whatever you want, whatever we want, it doesn't matter if there is no money to support it.
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On May 11 2012 21:47 Dodgin wrote:
This is really fucking childish, If they could have continued to do BW-only then they would have. It's clearly not working out, T8 still has no sponsor and who knows what is going on behind the scenes.
It looks like It's either these players make a transition or they are forced to retire and who knows what they will do considering most of them gave up their education to devote their lives to BW.
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Something along the lines of " If this mixed Proleague fails, then both sc1 and sc2 are dead in Korea. "
^^^
Dodgin gets it. Not sure why so many people in this thread don't get it.
A pure BW league cannot exist because the sponsorship isn't there. If the sponsorship was there, KESPA would continue with BW indefinitely. Switching to SC2 is a last resort for KESPA to stay alive.
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Oh god I am so pumped, even if both the scbw and SC2 will suck, we may see new playstyles, rising heroes, bisu against jaedong ... SIGN ME UP ! And as soon as there is English commentary, hurray me.
And to my men in blue : GET SOME 
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On May 11 2012 21:25 nbaker wrote:
Hopefully it's ok to say this, but if you're really only a fan of BW/ disappointed with the direction PL is going, please consider only watching the BW games. Only way I can see BW staying is if OGN sees its by far more popular to watch than SC2.
I know this sounds stupid/naive, but if you really don't care for SC2 it doesn't cost you much and you might at least be able to make some sort of statement.
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Pretty selfish of you to think only for your entertainment instead of the future of the players. If KeSPA does decide to stick with BW and the scene dies soon because of the lack of sponsors, guess what happens?
Whichever decision KeSPA goes for, BW is still gonna get the short end of the stick. Sorry for the BW fans, but that's just the way it is.
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