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On May 11 2012 10:55 Alryk wrote:
I still don't understand why there is so much hate from bw fans. Even the pros say that they enjoy the new game, is your blind hate for a game you might have never seen lately (the game has evolved in the past two years) so huge that you can't even be happy for the players you followed so long?
Edit: even if this isn't how you all feel, please enlighten me, cause all I feel coming from you guys is just anger...
For me, it is like in Lion King when mufasa was killed by scar because scar was on his mad quest for power. Do you expect me to embrace scar after seeing him kill mufasa?
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On May 11 2012 11:54 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 10:55 Alryk wrote:
I still don't understand why there is so much hate from bw fans. Even the pros say that they enjoy the new game, is your blind hate for a game you might have never seen lately (the game has evolved in the past two years) so huge that you can't even be happy for the players you followed so long?
Edit: even if this isn't how you all feel, please enlighten me, cause all I feel coming from you guys is just anger... For me, it is like in Lion King when mufasa was killed by scar because scar was on his mad quest for power. Do you expect me to embrace scar after seeing him kill mufasa?
I dont think that would be an accurate analogy. Is more like Mufasa (Kespa), Simba(BW), Scar(Blizzard), Scar's Kid (SC2). Not liking Blizzard is totally understandable from a BW fan's standpoint, but the anger a rage often gets vented on the fans, players and just the general game of SC2. SC2 didn't kill BW so much as a series of events (Betting Scandal, decline in general interest, etc.) culminating in strong arm legal action by Blizzard.
Arguably, this is the first actual time SC2 and BW are legitimately side by side. BW has always been the Korea thing, while SC2's growth predominantly happened in the foreign scene.
If SC2 is treated equal to Blizzard, then technically BW is also equal to Blizzard since both have the same ties to them. I think a lot of this bitterness between groups would be alieviated if people seperated the business and legal actions taken by Blizzard and KeSPA outside both games from the actual games of BW and SC2.
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On May 11 2012 12:03 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 11:54 jpak wrote:On May 11 2012 10:55 Alryk wrote:
I still don't understand why there is so much hate from bw fans. Even the pros say that they enjoy the new game, is your blind hate for a game you might have never seen lately (the game has evolved in the past two years) so huge that you can't even be happy for the players you followed so long?
Edit: even if this isn't how you all feel, please enlighten me, cause all I feel coming from you guys is just anger... For me, it is like in Lion King when mufasa was killed by scar because scar was on his mad quest for power. Do you expect me to embrace scar after seeing him kill mufasa? I dont think that would be an accurate analogy. Is more like Mufasa (Kespa), Simba(BW), Scar(Blizzard), Scar's Kid (SC2). Not liking Blizzard is totally understandable from a BW fan's standpoint, but the anger a rage often gets vented on the fans, players and just the general game of SC2. SC2 didn't kill BW so much as a series of events (Betting Scandal, decline in general interest, etc.) culminating in strong arm legal action by Blizzard. Arguably, this is the first actual time SC2 and BW are legitimately side by side. BW has always been the Korea thing, while SC2's growth predominantly happened in the foreign scene. If SC2 is treated equal to Blizzard, then technically BW is also equal to Blizzard since both have the same ties to them. I think a lot of this bitterness between groups would be alieviated if people seperated the business and legal actions taken by Blizzard and KeSPA outside both games from the actual games of BW and SC2.
Scar's kid is actually league of legends.
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The thing that botters me so much about sc2 is that there is little to no macro past a certain point. Have you guys seen forgg? he presses a7,s2,dd2 WHILE microing and that makes 7 marines, 2 tanks and 2 medivacs in about 3-2 seconds.
How are bw pros supposed to show their greatest strength in a game that has no macro, hopefully HOTS fix this a little bit. Its a sad day indeed, they are litteraly forcing people to watch sc2 now by doing this with proleague and to be honest is a pretty retarded rule set, its not bw fault that sc2 didnt hit as big in korea.
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Admittedly, I will watch all sets, both games. Everything deserves one fair shake. Though I can't say the same for day 2, and I'm pretty sure I won't enjoy the second half enough.
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On May 11 2012 12:06 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 12:03 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On May 11 2012 11:54 jpak wrote:On May 11 2012 10:55 Alryk wrote:
I still don't understand why there is so much hate from bw fans. Even the pros say that they enjoy the new game, is your blind hate for a game you might have never seen lately (the game has evolved in the past two years) so huge that you can't even be happy for the players you followed so long?
Edit: even if this isn't how you all feel, please enlighten me, cause all I feel coming from you guys is just anger... For me, it is like in Lion King when mufasa was killed by scar because scar was on his mad quest for power. Do you expect me to embrace scar after seeing him kill mufasa? I dont think that would be an accurate analogy. Is more like Mufasa (Kespa), Simba(BW), Scar(Blizzard), Scar's Kid (SC2). Not liking Blizzard is totally understandable from a BW fan's standpoint, but the anger a rage often gets vented on the fans, players and just the general game of SC2. SC2 didn't kill BW so much as a series of events (Betting Scandal, decline in general interest, etc.) culminating in strong arm legal action by Blizzard. Arguably, this is the first actual time SC2 and BW are legitimately side by side. BW has always been the Korea thing, while SC2's growth predominantly happened in the foreign scene. If SC2 is treated equal to Blizzard, then technically BW is also equal to Blizzard since both have the same ties to them. I think a lot of this bitterness between groups would be alieviated if people seperated the business and legal actions taken by Blizzard and KeSPA outside both games from the actual games of BW and SC2. Scar's kid is actually league of legends.
That doesn't make sense if Scar is Blizzard. Its already a muddled analogy without bringing another genre/game/developer/scene. My analogy was contained within SC sphere, LoL may have fit in the decline of general interest section. We would need a whole new analogy to incorporate the dynamics of another game/developer/genre.
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On May 11 2012 12:39 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 12:06 jpak wrote:On May 11 2012 12:03 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On May 11 2012 11:54 jpak wrote:On May 11 2012 10:55 Alryk wrote:
I still don't understand why there is so much hate from bw fans. Even the pros say that they enjoy the new game, is your blind hate for a game you might have never seen lately (the game has evolved in the past two years) so huge that you can't even be happy for the players you followed so long?
Edit: even if this isn't how you all feel, please enlighten me, cause all I feel coming from you guys is just anger... For me, it is like in Lion King when mufasa was killed by scar because scar was on his mad quest for power. Do you expect me to embrace scar after seeing him kill mufasa? I dont think that would be an accurate analogy. Is more like Mufasa (Kespa), Simba(BW), Scar(Blizzard), Scar's Kid (SC2). Not liking Blizzard is totally understandable from a BW fan's standpoint, but the anger a rage often gets vented on the fans, players and just the general game of SC2. SC2 didn't kill BW so much as a series of events (Betting Scandal, decline in general interest, etc.) culminating in strong arm legal action by Blizzard. Arguably, this is the first actual time SC2 and BW are legitimately side by side. BW has always been the Korea thing, while SC2's growth predominantly happened in the foreign scene. If SC2 is treated equal to Blizzard, then technically BW is also equal to Blizzard since both have the same ties to them. I think a lot of this bitterness between groups would be alieviated if people seperated the business and legal actions taken by Blizzard and KeSPA outside both games from the actual games of BW and SC2. Scar's kid is actually league of legends. That doesn't make sense if Scar is Blizzard. Its already a muddled analogy without bringing another genre/game/developer/scene. My analogy was contained within SC sphere, LoL may have fit in the decline of general interest section. We would need a whole new analogy to incorporate the dynamics of another game/developer/genre.
To me, scar isn't Blizzard. Scar is SC2, hence, part of my signature. My correct response should've been: "Scar's kid is not yet born." You are right, though, LoL should not be part of this.
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Oh wow I felt really weird when I saw broodwar and sc2 maps mixed in the map schedule.
Moreover I'm wondering if they are going to play sc2 on 1920x1080 resolution, so broodwar will not fully cover the screen, I mean sides of the screen will be empty. AFAIK more resolution in sc2 means wider ground view?
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this is how much i understand you guys right now:
The Simba for League of Scar is Brood War for Legends in Blizzard and Starcraft 2 controlling Mufasa. Kespa and scar's kid are like Aladdin and the Bambi.
w/e im gonna tune in just to see how BW pros play SC2
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i am hoping against all odds that top bw players can make sc2 interesting to me
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What the heck is going on with the Lion King refferences?
Anyway, as a SCII fan I'm not sure if I should be exited or sad about this. I'd say its both for me. I'm sad to see what could be the begining of the end of BW on Korean TV (which is a crying shame) but I'm also really curious to see how the current BW pros will do in SCII.
I do wish that, if KeSPA is hell bent on the change, they would have done a clear break. A half and half proleague doesn't really do anyone justice.
On May 11 2012 12:54 o[twist] wrote:
i am hoping against all odds that top bw players can make sc2 interesting to me
tbh I doubt the BW players can have the level of a Jjakji-Leenock, or an MVP-TOP (game 1) or even a DRG-Genius. They probably won't be /that/ good while still practicing BW. But we'll see I guess.
Ideally we'll see NaDa and July on ACE at some point, though. That would be one unimbicously good aspect of a switch to SCII, however small.
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On May 11 2012 12:46 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 12:39 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On May 11 2012 12:06 jpak wrote:On May 11 2012 12:03 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On May 11 2012 11:54 jpak wrote:On May 11 2012 10:55 Alryk wrote:
I still don't understand why there is so much hate from bw fans. Even the pros say that they enjoy the new game, is your blind hate for a game you might have never seen lately (the game has evolved in the past two years) so huge that you can't even be happy for the players you followed so long?
Edit: even if this isn't how you all feel, please enlighten me, cause all I feel coming from you guys is just anger... For me, it is like in Lion King when mufasa was killed by scar because scar was on his mad quest for power. Do you expect me to embrace scar after seeing him kill mufasa? I dont think that would be an accurate analogy. Is more like Mufasa (Kespa), Simba(BW), Scar(Blizzard), Scar's Kid (SC2). Not liking Blizzard is totally understandable from a BW fan's standpoint, but the anger a rage often gets vented on the fans, players and just the general game of SC2. SC2 didn't kill BW so much as a series of events (Betting Scandal, decline in general interest, etc.) culminating in strong arm legal action by Blizzard. Arguably, this is the first actual time SC2 and BW are legitimately side by side. BW has always been the Korea thing, while SC2's growth predominantly happened in the foreign scene. If SC2 is treated equal to Blizzard, then technically BW is also equal to Blizzard since both have the same ties to them. I think a lot of this bitterness between groups would be alieviated if people seperated the business and legal actions taken by Blizzard and KeSPA outside both games from the actual games of BW and SC2. Scar's kid is actually league of legends. That doesn't make sense if Scar is Blizzard. Its already a muddled analogy without bringing another genre/game/developer/scene. My analogy was contained within SC sphere, LoL may have fit in the decline of general interest section. We would need a whole new analogy to incorporate the dynamics of another game/developer/genre. To me, scar isn't Blizzard. Scar is SC2, hence, part of my signature. My correct response should've been: "Scar's kid is not yet born." You are right, though, LoL should not be part of this.
Alright, but that was my point. SC2 didnt contribute to BW's downfall so much as the Betting Scandal, Blizzard legal battle, etc. SC2 didn't really contend with BW in the foreign scene, and SC2 did really get stacked against BW until this upcoming Proleague. Hating on SC2 and the community around it for all the crap that happened to BW from Blizzard and other places, is like hating on BW and the community for something KeSPA did.
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I hope everyone will at least watch a single game from both sides. I fear that players who didn't play SC1, might be deterred by the 14 year old graphics, though, and that those who haven't played SC2 might be deterred by.. well look at 80% of the responses in most threads on this topic..
I really hope that it goes well, though! Think if a few days after, we all of a sudden have a bunch of people picking up SC1/BW who had never tried it, and a bunch of others giving SC2 a try. And more enthusiasm and joy are infused into the Starcraft universe as a whole!
This is one of the most unique periods in StarCraft history, and I really hope you guys all don't waste it out of stubbornness. Let's just all take a break from our negative emotions for one night and see what happens. Going in with an attitude of "this is the dumbest thing of all time, I can't believe kespa is so stupid" will only hurt yourself. If on the following day you conclude "that was the dumbest proleague plan of all time, kespa is so stupid," that's okay. At least you gave it a chance.
I think one of the most interesting things for me will be seeing whom they send out for each game. I'm kind of thinking it'll be more like B-team players who they've had playing SC2 longer that will play that, and the top players will still play BW.I hope it doesn't get too much like this, though.
I want to see something along the lines of Flash/Action/Hoejja BW and then like Stats/CrazyHydra/Mind on SC2. Rather than some people who didn't even play last season taking all the SC2 spots.
This is the night when I return home for the summer. What a joyful night it will be  . Time for CJ to get crushed! (But not really because I want to see 7 games..  )
Oh and I forgot to mention, hurray for ace matches!!
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It's the same of the last proleague, just with a 2 in roman numbers >.< And actually the logo is bigger. It seems better with the tiny starcraft above the "proleague"
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On May 11 2012 13:22 Befree wrote:I hope everyone will at least watch a single game from both sides. I fear that players who didn't play SC1, might be deterred by the 14 year old graphics, though, and that those who haven't played SC2 might be deterred by.. well look at 80% of the responses in most threads on this topic.. I really hope that it goes well, though! Think if a few days after, we all of a sudden have a bunch of people picking up SC1/BW who had never tried it, and a bunch of others giving SC2 a try. And more enthusiasm and joy are infused into the Starcraft universe as a whole! This is one of the most unique periods in StarCraft history, and I really hope you guys all don't waste it out of stubbornness. Let's just all take a break from our negative emotions for one night and see what happens. Going in with an attitude of "this is the dumbest thing of all time, I can't believe kespa is so stupid" will only hurt yourself. If on the following day you conclude "that was the dumbest proleague plan of all time, kespa is so stupid," that's okay. At least you gave it a chance. I think one of the most interesting things for me will be seeing whom they send out for each game. I'm kind of thinking it'll be more like B-team players who they've had playing SC2 longer that will play that, and the top players will still play BW.I hope it doesn't get too much like this, though. I want to see something along the lines of Flash/Action/Hoejja BW and then like Stats/CrazyHydra/Mind on SC2. Rather than some people who didn't even play last season taking all the SC2 spots. This is the night when I return home for the summer. What a joyful night it will be . Time for CJ to get crushed! (But not really because I want to see 7 games.. ) Oh and I forgot to mention, hurray for ace matches!!
Just like last season. The games are going to be awful. We're not going to be showcasing anything. X_X
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wow starting so soon, wonder if the sc2 viewers will goto sc:bw now as well 
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On May 11 2012 13:41 dRaW wrote:wow starting so soon, wonder if the sc2 viewers will goto sc:bw now as well
if they want BW fans to watch SC2 its only fair that they should watch BW too.
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On May 11 2012 11:43 geno wrote:
I think that overall the still active BW community largely supports both games like myself, but the vocal minority that has been quite dismissive of SC2 has gained far too much prevalence as of late. I think the other poster was right with the idea that many of these people are trying to "burn the house down" as they leave.
I can understand and am perfectly empathetic to those that are unwilling or unable to learn and re-commit to a new game and would rather just leave the scene, but many go far beyond that. They not only throw stones at those bright-eyed fans that would replace them, but also those that they once idolized who have or are now moving on, and for what? It will not bring BW back, and it will not make anyone change their mind. It is argument for the sake of argument, hate for the sake of hate. It will only tarnish the legacy and destroy the reputation of one of the most historically mature and exceptional communities I have ever known.
Some of these people wish that LoL takes over the e-sports scene and SC2 dies, leaving all the existing BW pros jobless. That is just harmful and hurtful to the players we love.
Without sponsorship, BW cannot survive - it's almost certain that Pro-League and OSL would be cancelled within a year if KESPA and OGN are desperate enough to jump to SC2.
Many people here, knowing that BW cannot survive, would actually choose to see all our BW pros jobless than see them continue their career in SC2.
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