On May 11 2012 12:01 Harem wrote: Soo called it a "rubbish game" on his Facebook.
It would be really interesting to know what BW progamers really think of the game. I’m sure that some see the transition to SC2 as a fresh and exiting restart. I do however find it extremely hard to believe that they all love SC2. These guys were willing to sacrifice so much in order to play BW because they loved the game and now they are forced to switch to something completely different… Well, I guess they will only say positive things about SC2 as long as they are planning on playing it.
Yup, I can see both sides to the argument in SC2 being a new challenge for them and now they have to sell the game. In the other light they're being forced to play a new game, which creates more tension to deliver good results.
For some players it could be a welcome change considering they either cannot break into their team's PL rosters or they've been there done that.
This is kind of funny because that sort of happened to me. Although I watch BW when it's on (and I subscribe to certain Youtube channels catering to BW), I have to say my experience has culminated in the thought that "hmm, this is a lot like SC2!".
Some of the first full matches I saw were of players that I never heard of (i.e. they weren't Flash, Jaedong, Stork, Bisu, etc). One set I distinctly remember one player walking into siege tank fire needlessly and that immediately broke the aura that I had envisioned around BW. What I really do appreciate is the deep history and meta-game development that BW has. When looking at it that way, BW is so wonderful, but each individual game doesn't seem to have any more chance of being one of those "godly" type games than an SC2 game does.
Both games have short cheesy games, both games have timing attacks (and players that build their careers off of them), both have macro games, both have those one-in-a-million EPIC games. I can certainly understand how 'being there' through the history and development of BW must play a huge role in what so many are feeling now, but I really think the similarities of the games far outweigh their differences, at least from a spectator's point of view.
I don't want to sound rude, I am just honestly wondering this. Can you point out any games in sc2 that can match the excitement, the quality of game play and the incredible display of skill of, say, these two recent BW games:
I understand that this is extremely subjective. But I am sincerely wondering because I have been watching some SC2 tornaments (especially when Stephano is playing because he looks very talented) and I haven't seen any games that are even close to being this good. This can be because the game just doesn't suit my subejctive preferenses or it could be that I just haven't been lucky when watching SC2.
Check out MMA vs. DRG in Blizzard Cup...probably universally considered the most intense SC2 series thus far. Obviously you can't compare it to Proleague in terms of stakes and history between SKT and KT, but trust me, that series was very spectator friendly. Not sure if you need a GSL pass though
see it's funny, anytime someone says to watch a certain sc2 matchup that is supposed to be awesome (not saying it wasn't) they can't post a VOD of it. Anytime someone says there's an awesome BW VOD, they post it usually, or you can find it easily. I don't think I could ever get into sc2 if I have to pay for VODs. Sorry Blizz, I won't pay-to-play, and I won't pay to watch people play your games.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that I would really like to see that MMA vs DRG game if possible
Asking for pirated VoDs is a big no-no on this site, you may want to remove that edit.
I'm not asking for pirated vods. I'm saying I would love to see the game, and can't. You are proving my point for me
You do realize that's the reason why BW is about to die right?
You do realize that you have no clue right?
Enlighten me
Considering how ignorant you are and there have been posts and posts of discussion about it yet you decide not to search for yourself, how about no?
The other guy was right. You don't know what the hell you're talking about when it comes to correlation between VOD accessibility and KeSPA transitioning to SC2.
Why don't I know what I'm talking about? He said he didn't want to pay for VODs. Monetization of BW was one of the key areas of failure for the game. Please educate me if you think differently.
On May 12 2012 06:35 AttackZerg wrote: I tried to spend a night watching the 'best' sc2 players in current games.
Needlessly to say, the sc2 vod scene is horrible and I don't want to be stealing to watch great sc2 games.
Sorry, but vod sharing is why after the fall of broodwar.net why so many of us migrated to sites like teamliquid.
I won't be paying for an account for a game I haven't got to watch a lot of high level games.
There's plenty of free vods out there featuring the higher skilled players. Off the top of my head I know Assembly, MLG, IPL, Iron squid and IEM have vods from all their tournaments up. It's not the GSL but all of those tournaments have code S players in them and the quality of their play is not signifigantly different then when they play in the GSL. MMA, DRG, MC etc are either playing their best on a given day or they aren't, regardless of where they are.
On May 11 2012 12:01 Harem wrote: Soo called it a "rubbish game" on his Facebook.
It would be really interesting to know what BW progamers really think of the game. I’m sure that some see the transition to SC2 as a fresh and exiting restart. I do however find it extremely hard to believe that they all love SC2. These guys were willing to sacrifice so much in order to play BW because they loved the game and now they are forced to switch to something completely different… Well, I guess they will only say positive things about SC2 as long as they are planning on playing it.
Yup, I can see both sides to the argument in SC2 being a new challenge for them and now they have to sell the game. In the other light they're being forced to play a new game, which creates more tension to deliver good results.
For some players it could be a welcome change considering they either cannot break into their team's PL rosters or they've been there done that.
I like to focus more on the positives though. :D
On May 12 2012 05:39 kakaman wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:35 rasers wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:27 kakaman wrote:
On May 12 2012 04:08 slappy wrote:
On May 12 2012 03:45 TheButtonmen wrote:
On May 12 2012 03:22 slappy wrote:
On May 11 2012 23:19 kakaman wrote:
On May 11 2012 19:37 Elroi wrote: [quote] I don't want to sound rude, I am just honestly wondering this. Can you point out any games in sc2 that can match the excitement, the quality of game play and the incredible display of skill of, say, these two recent BW games:
I understand that this is extremely subjective. But I am sincerely wondering because I have been watching some SC2 tornaments (especially when Stephano is playing because he looks very talented) and I haven't seen any games that are even close to being this good. This can be because the game just doesn't suit my subejctive preferenses or it could be that I just haven't been lucky when watching SC2.
Check out MMA vs. DRG in Blizzard Cup...probably universally considered the most intense SC2 series thus far. Obviously you can't compare it to Proleague in terms of stakes and history between SKT and KT, but trust me, that series was very spectator friendly. Not sure if you need a GSL pass though
see it's funny, anytime someone says to watch a certain sc2 matchup that is supposed to be awesome (not saying it wasn't) they can't post a VOD of it. Anytime someone says there's an awesome BW VOD, they post it usually, or you can find it easily. I don't think I could ever get into sc2 if I have to pay for VODs. Sorry Blizz, I won't pay-to-play, and I won't pay to watch people play your games.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that I would really like to see that MMA vs DRG game if possible
Asking for pirated VoDs is a big no-no on this site, you may want to remove that edit.
I'm not asking for pirated vods. I'm saying I would love to see the game, and can't. You are proving my point for me
You do realize that's the reason why BW is about to die right?
You do realize that you have no clue right?
Enlighten me
Considering how ignorant you are and there have been posts and posts of discussion about it yet you decide not to search for yourself, how about no?
The other guy was right. You don't know what the hell you're talking about when it comes to correlation between VOD accessibility and KeSPA transitioning to SC2.
Why don't I know what I'm talking about? He said he didn't want to pay for VODs. Monetization of BW was one of the key areas of failure for the game. Please educate me if you think differently.
The key areas of failure were:
1. Savior match-fixing scandal.
2. Blizzard being dicks trying to get money out of the non-profit Korean BW scene (KeSPA is non-profit)/kill the BW scene to make way for SC2.
3. Foreigners sucking (this made it suck on the global scale, not in the Korean scene which didn't care and reached it's peak 10 years after game release).
The lack of monetization is what made BW prevalent in the first place, as people were able to play it for cheap in LAN cafes with LAN support and across multiple servers.
On May 11 2012 08:09 Maldais wrote: There's a lot of hate on SC2 in this thread, some of the replies seem to show that people saw some sc2 in beta, didn't like it, and are still judging the game based on that. It's not deathball vs deathball anymore
Watch some GSL Code S
You mean like the MVP vs parting code S semifinal set 4?
Yes, because BW never has cheesy sets.
Parting has been playing very greedy, which has allowed P to have very strong late games. MVP punished him for that, it's the metagame evolving, the very thing that has always made starcraft an amazing dynamic game.
This comment is perfectly representative of what I see a lot of, trying to judge the entire game/community by a very small sample size. If a SC2 fan who had never watched BW before decided to give it a chance, saw two mediocre sets, and judged BW to be a terrible game based on that, what would you say? That is what you're doing to SC2.
This is kind of funny because that sort of happened to me. Although I watch BW when it's on (and I subscribe to certain Youtube channels catering to BW), I have to say my experience has culminated in the thought that "hmm, this is a lot like SC2!".
Some of the first full matches I saw were of players that I never heard of (i.e. they weren't Flash, Jaedong, Stork, Bisu, etc). One set I distinctly remember one player walking into siege tank fire needlessly and that immediately broke the aura that I had envisioned around BW. What I really do appreciate is the deep history and meta-game development that BW has. When looking at it that way, BW is so wonderful, but each individual game doesn't seem to have any more chance of being one of those "godly" type games than an SC2 game does.
Both games have short cheesy games, both games have timing attacks (and players that build their careers off of them), both have macro games, both have those one-in-a-million EPIC games. I can certainly understand how 'being there' through the history and development of BW must play a huge role in what so many are feeling now, but I really think the similarities of the games far outweigh their differences, at least from a spectator's point of view.
I don't want to sound rude, I am just honestly wondering this. Can you point out any games in sc2 that can match the excitement, the quality of game play and the incredible display of skill of, say, these two recent BW games:
I understand that this is extremely subjective. But I am sincerely wondering because I have been watching some SC2 tornaments (especially when Stephano is playing because he looks very talented) and I haven't seen any games that are even close to being this good. This can be because the game just doesn't suit my subejctive preferenses or it could be that I just haven't been lucky when watching SC2.
Check out MMA vs. DRG in Blizzard Cup...probably universally considered the most intense SC2 series thus far. Obviously you can't compare it to Proleague in terms of stakes and history between SKT and KT, but trust me, that series was very spectator friendly. Not sure if you need a GSL pass though
see it's funny, anytime someone says to watch a certain sc2 matchup that is supposed to be awesome (not saying it wasn't) they can't post a VOD of it. Anytime someone says there's an awesome BW VOD, they post it usually, or you can find it easily. I don't think I could ever get into sc2 if I have to pay for VODs. Sorry Blizz, I won't pay-to-play, and I won't pay to watch people play your games.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that I would really like to see that MMA vs DRG game if possible
On May 12 2012 06:35 AttackZerg wrote: I tried to spend a night watching the 'best' sc2 players in current games.
Needlessly to say, the sc2 vod scene is horrible and I don't want to be stealing to watch great sc2 games.
Sorry, but vod sharing is why after the fall of broodwar.net why so many of us migrated to sites like teamliquid.
I won't be paying for an account for a game I haven't got to watch a lot of high level games.
yeah one thing i want to add is that i can watch just about any BW game that was aired on TV (through TLPD) but I have yet to see a single Korean SC2 VOD. Watching VODs connect people to the game, without VODs i would never have liked bw to the point i did. One of the reasons why I have yet to connect with SC2
google "youku dongraegu mma"; no need to thank me. -or as 2 posts above suggests, just register free account on gomtv; you'll still get more than enough vods even for the GSL the vod for the first game in each series is free also, last time i checked and the three seasons in 2010 are now fully free too, afaik (though gameplay has changed a lot since then)
On May 12 2012 08:08 Jealous wrote: 2. Blizzard being dicks trying to get money out of the non-profit Korean BW scene (KeSPA is non-profit)/kill the BW scene to make way for SC2.
KeSPA might be non-profit but the forces that run it definitely aren't. Even if Blizzard were just trying to leech with that whole fiasco, there's a profit in there.
On May 12 2012 08:15 MrCon wrote: Only GSL has paid vod (live is free). 100% of the other tournaments have free vods I think.
That's correct. Some tournaments wait a little while, but eventually the vods become freely available. GSL vods are the only hold out.
On May 11 2012 08:09 Maldais wrote: There's a lot of hate on SC2 in this thread, some of the replies seem to show that people saw some sc2 in beta, didn't like it, and are still judging the game based on that. It's not deathball vs deathball anymore
Watch some GSL Code S
You mean like the MVP vs parting code S semifinal set 4?
Yes, because BW never has cheesy sets.
Parting has been playing very greedy, which has allowed P to have very strong late games. MVP punished him for that, it's the metagame evolving, the very thing that has always made starcraft an amazing dynamic game.
This comment is perfectly representative of what I see a lot of, trying to judge the entire game/community by a very small sample size. If a SC2 fan who had never watched BW before decided to give it a chance, saw two mediocre sets, and judged BW to be a terrible game based on that, what would you say? That is what you're doing to SC2.
This is kind of funny because that sort of happened to me. Although I watch BW when it's on (and I subscribe to certain Youtube channels catering to BW), I have to say my experience has culminated in the thought that "hmm, this is a lot like SC2!".
Some of the first full matches I saw were of players that I never heard of (i.e. they weren't Flash, Jaedong, Stork, Bisu, etc). One set I distinctly remember one player walking into siege tank fire needlessly and that immediately broke the aura that I had envisioned around BW. What I really do appreciate is the deep history and meta-game development that BW has. When looking at it that way, BW is so wonderful, but each individual game doesn't seem to have any more chance of being one of those "godly" type games than an SC2 game does.
Both games have short cheesy games, both games have timing attacks (and players that build their careers off of them), both have macro games, both have those one-in-a-million EPIC games. I can certainly understand how 'being there' through the history and development of BW must play a huge role in what so many are feeling now, but I really think the similarities of the games far outweigh their differences, at least from a spectator's point of view.
I don't want to sound rude, I am just honestly wondering this. Can you point out any games in sc2 that can match the excitement, the quality of game play and the incredible display of skill of, say, these two recent BW games:
I understand that this is extremely subjective. But I am sincerely wondering because I have been watching some SC2 tornaments (especially when Stephano is playing because he looks very talented) and I haven't seen any games that are even close to being this good. This can be because the game just doesn't suit my subejctive preferenses or it could be that I just haven't been lucky when watching SC2.
Check out MMA vs. DRG in Blizzard Cup...probably universally considered the most intense SC2 series thus far. Obviously you can't compare it to Proleague in terms of stakes and history between SKT and KT, but trust me, that series was very spectator friendly. Not sure if you need a GSL pass though
see it's funny, anytime someone says to watch a certain sc2 matchup that is supposed to be awesome (not saying it wasn't) they can't post a VOD of it. Anytime someone says there's an awesome BW VOD, they post it usually, or you can find it easily. I don't think I could ever get into sc2 if I have to pay for VODs. Sorry Blizz, I won't pay-to-play, and I won't pay to watch people play your games.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that I would really like to see that MMA vs DRG game if possible
Blizzard doesn't charge for VOD access, GOM does. They're kind of unique in that regard.
Here's a random NASL VOD. It's not really an "epic" game. In fact, the player who gged literally did so out of boredom, so I think it's actually a good example of one of the worst sides of SC2, and one of the problems people don't actually talk about much
(This map is one of the maps that'll be in Proleague)
And, for balance, here's a really long BW game. The BW game is an unusually good one, and the SC2 game is unusually bad. Can you guess what they have in common?
And here is the infamous Boxer vs Rain game, where Boxer started bitching out the game, during the game, because no one knew how to fight sky terran vs sky terran.
There's a common theme connecting these three games
On May 11 2012 12:01 Harem wrote: Soo called it a "rubbish game" on his Facebook.
It would be really interesting to know what BW progamers really think of the game. I’m sure that some see the transition to SC2 as a fresh and exiting restart. I do however find it extremely hard to believe that they all love SC2. These guys were willing to sacrifice so much in order to play BW because they loved the game and now they are forced to switch to something completely different… Well, I guess they will only say positive things about SC2 as long as they are planning on playing it.
Yup, I can see both sides to the argument in SC2 being a new challenge for them and now they have to sell the game. In the other light they're being forced to play a new game, which creates more tension to deliver good results.
For some players it could be a welcome change considering they either cannot break into their team's PL rosters or they've been there done that.
I like to focus more on the positives though. :D
On May 12 2012 05:39 kakaman wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:35 rasers wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:27 kakaman wrote:
On May 12 2012 04:08 slappy wrote:
On May 12 2012 03:45 TheButtonmen wrote:
On May 12 2012 03:22 slappy wrote:
On May 11 2012 23:19 kakaman wrote: [quote]
Check out MMA vs. DRG in Blizzard Cup...probably universally considered the most intense SC2 series thus far. Obviously you can't compare it to Proleague in terms of stakes and history between SKT and KT, but trust me, that series was very spectator friendly. Not sure if you need a GSL pass though
see it's funny, anytime someone says to watch a certain sc2 matchup that is supposed to be awesome (not saying it wasn't) they can't post a VOD of it. Anytime someone says there's an awesome BW VOD, they post it usually, or you can find it easily. I don't think I could ever get into sc2 if I have to pay for VODs. Sorry Blizz, I won't pay-to-play, and I won't pay to watch people play your games.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that I would really like to see that MMA vs DRG game if possible
Asking for pirated VoDs is a big no-no on this site, you may want to remove that edit.
I'm not asking for pirated vods. I'm saying I would love to see the game, and can't. You are proving my point for me
You do realize that's the reason why BW is about to die right?
You do realize that you have no clue right?
Enlighten me
Considering how ignorant you are and there have been posts and posts of discussion about it yet you decide not to search for yourself, how about no?
The other guy was right. You don't know what the hell you're talking about when it comes to correlation between VOD accessibility and KeSPA transitioning to SC2.
Why don't I know what I'm talking about? He said he didn't want to pay for VODs. Monetization of BW was one of the key areas of failure for the game. Please educate me if you think differently.
The key areas of failure were:
1. Savior match-fixing scandal.
2. Blizzard being dicks trying to get money out of the non-profit Korean BW scene (KeSPA is non-profit)/kill the BW scene to make way for SC2.
3. Foreigners sucking (this made it suck on the global scale, not in the Korean scene which didn't care and reached it's peak 10 years after game release).
The lack of monetization is what made BW prevalent in the first place, as people were able to play it for cheap in LAN cafes with LAN support and across multiple servers.
Savior's match-fixing scandal was the camel that broke the camel's back. BW viewership on OGN and MBCGame were steadily declining since the high in 2007 or so. For the others, I think you are confusing monetization for consumers and monetization for corporations (Kespa and the teams). Yes BW became widespread because of easy access in PC Bangs, but I'm referring to the viability of BW as a business. Since Kespa was pretty much clueless in how to actually grow revenue into the industry, it was only natural for key pieces to fail once viewership and sponsorship gave way. I think they realized that you actually have to make money to pay for the lofty expenses it takes to run a professional team (what a lofty concept).
I will agree Blizzard was being greedy in trying to get a cut of the revenue stream at this juncture because the whole thing is so fragile, but can't fault them for trying. Costs a lot to make games.
Just don't blame me once Kespa says they are going to a subscription model for vods. Business is business.
On May 12 2012 09:38 figq wrote: google "youku dongraegu mma"; no need to thank me. -or as 2 posts above suggests, just register free account on gomtv; you'll still get more than enough vods even for the GSL the vod for the first game in each series is free also, last time i checked and the three seasons in 2010 are now fully free too, afaik (though gameplay has changed a lot since then)
The MMA vs DRG finals is free anyway I think (the one I linked), because it was a Blizzard thing. Or I bought it and don't remember it :O
On May 11 2012 12:01 Harem wrote: Soo called it a "rubbish game" on his Facebook.
It would be really interesting to know what BW progamers really think of the game. I’m sure that some see the transition to SC2 as a fresh and exiting restart. I do however find it extremely hard to believe that they all love SC2. These guys were willing to sacrifice so much in order to play BW because they loved the game and now they are forced to switch to something completely different… Well, I guess they will only say positive things about SC2 as long as they are planning on playing it.
Yup, I can see both sides to the argument in SC2 being a new challenge for them and now they have to sell the game. In the other light they're being forced to play a new game, which creates more tension to deliver good results.
For some players it could be a welcome change considering they either cannot break into their team's PL rosters or they've been there done that.
I like to focus more on the positives though. :D
On May 12 2012 05:39 kakaman wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:35 rasers wrote:
On May 12 2012 05:27 kakaman wrote:
On May 12 2012 04:08 slappy wrote:
On May 12 2012 03:45 TheButtonmen wrote:
On May 12 2012 03:22 slappy wrote: [quote]
see it's funny, anytime someone says to watch a certain sc2 matchup that is supposed to be awesome (not saying it wasn't) they can't post a VOD of it. Anytime someone says there's an awesome BW VOD, they post it usually, or you can find it easily. I don't think I could ever get into sc2 if I have to pay for VODs. Sorry Blizz, I won't pay-to-play, and I won't pay to watch people play your games.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that I would really like to see that MMA vs DRG game if possible
Asking for pirated VoDs is a big no-no on this site, you may want to remove that edit.
I'm not asking for pirated vods. I'm saying I would love to see the game, and can't. You are proving my point for me
You do realize that's the reason why BW is about to die right?
You do realize that you have no clue right?
Enlighten me
Considering how ignorant you are and there have been posts and posts of discussion about it yet you decide not to search for yourself, how about no?
The other guy was right. You don't know what the hell you're talking about when it comes to correlation between VOD accessibility and KeSPA transitioning to SC2.
Why don't I know what I'm talking about? He said he didn't want to pay for VODs. Monetization of BW was one of the key areas of failure for the game. Please educate me if you think differently.
The key areas of failure were:
1. Savior match-fixing scandal.
2. Blizzard being dicks trying to get money out of the non-profit Korean BW scene (KeSPA is non-profit)/kill the BW scene to make way for SC2.
3. Foreigners sucking (this made it suck on the global scale, not in the Korean scene which didn't care and reached it's peak 10 years after game release).
The lack of monetization is what made BW prevalent in the first place, as people were able to play it for cheap in LAN cafes with LAN support and across multiple servers.
Savior's match-fixing scandal was the camel that broke the camel's back. BW viewership on OGN and MBCGame were steadily declining since the high in 2007 or so. For the others, I think you are confusing monetization for consumers and monetization for corporations (Kespa and the teams). Yes BW became widespread because of easy access in PC Bangs, but I'm referring to the viability of BW as a business. Since Kespa was pretty much clueless in how to actually grow revenue into the industry, it was only natural for key pieces to fail once viewership and sponsorship gave way. I think they realized that you actually have to make money to pay for the lofty expenses it takes to run a professional team (what a lofty concept).
I will agree Blizzard was being greedy in trying to get a cut of the revenue stream at this juncture because the whole thing is so fragile, but can't fault them for trying. Costs a lot to make games.
Just don't blame me once Kespa says they are going to a subscription model for vods. Business is business.
No one was paying for BW. Giving your product away is not a viable long-term strategy.
Meh, the Blizzard cup final is way overhyped game quality vise because Tastosis hyped it like fucking crazy. IIRC, there was like 3 games that was actually any good, but the final map was actually one of the best games played in SC2 up to date tho. The other 4 games were just roach ling/bling all-ins from DongRaeGu and that isn't good games.
On May 12 2012 09:38 figq wrote: google "youku dongraegu mma"; no need to thank me. -or as 2 posts above suggests, just register free account on gomtv; you'll still get more than enough vods even for the GSL the vod for the first game in each series is free also, last time i checked and the three seasons in 2010 are now fully free too, afaik (though gameplay has changed a lot since then)
The MMA vs DRG finals is free anyway I think (the one I linked), because it was a Blizzard thing. Or I bought it and don't remember it :O
It was given as a free bonus if you had purchased a ticket for another main GSL that was going on at the same timg iirc.
This game was great for example. There was no story, no big name players, it wasn't even the deciding set, but it was more entertaining than any SC2 match I've seen in the last year.
Blizzard doesn't charge for VOD access, GOM does. They're kind of unique in that regard.
Here's a random NASL VOD. It's not really an "epic" game. In fact, the player who gged literally did so out of boredom, so I think it's actually a good example of one of the worst sides of SC2, and one of the problems people don't actually talk about much
(This map is one of the maps that'll be in Proleague)
And, for balance, here's a really long BW game. The BW game is an unusually good one, and the SC2 game is unusually bad. Can you guess what they have in common?
And here is the infamous Boxer vs Rain game, where Boxer started bitching out the game, during the game, because no one knew how to fight sky terran vs sky terran.
There's a common theme connecting these three games
I think it is simply a case of bad gg timing in the first 2 games... which isn't really any game's fault.
On May 12 2012 09:38 figq wrote: google "youku dongraegu mma"; no need to thank me. -or as 2 posts above suggests, just register free account on gomtv; you'll still get more than enough vods even for the GSL the vod for the first game in each series is free also, last time i checked and the three seasons in 2010 are now fully free too, afaik (though gameplay has changed a lot since then)
Lol I've been in this situation before... 5 months later O haha what you talking about you BW elitist the game has changed so much since 5 months ago. That game is terrible going by today's standard. Rinse and repeat.
Uh, just providing ways to watch Korean SC2 vods for those who asked, nothing more. Watch, don't watch, analyze, don't analyze is up to you guys.
If you ask me, while we fight our little BW vs SC2 verbal disputes, or whatever, LoL in Korea is owning both BW and SC2 hard, and thus it's the true cause for all this mess, rather than SC2 taking over BW.
The Boxer vs. Rain match just shows you how in TvT a map that's easily cut in half and only has 2 narrow chokes is pretty terrible when Siege Tanks exist (with Vikings to give vision).
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote: Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3
Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little.
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