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On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little.
I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010.
Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. 
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if they broke the game into 3 pieces, each piece should be complete in its own, otherwise we consumers are just fucking dumb to buy half shit for the price of a full shit..
Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2
So... ?
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On May 12 2012 12:48 fabiano wrote:if they broke the game into 3 pieces, each piece should be complete in its own, otherwise we consumers are just fucking dumb to buy half shit for the price of a full shit.. So... ?
Oh uh, did you forget Blizz is a company? And uh, companies need to make money? You are not making a computer game so you do not have to make any decisions for your game. Its always different when it comes to making money and making a game.
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What are you talking about? You make no sense at all ~__~
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On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2.
Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close.
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On May 12 2012 12:54 fabiano wrote:
What are you talking about? You make no sense at all ~__~
You say they are doing stupid stuff with their product to their consumers, you are basically saying that right? Well, you are not in control of a game not to mention a game of a popular series so it is always different when it comes to making decisions of a game you are working on especially if its popular.
Sure it is easy for us to say "that is stupid move, do it this way". But to a developer stand point, the decisions are not easy to make. You need to consider a lot of different factors and determine what is the best way to handle your game.
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On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close.
All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!!
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So basically Blizzard created a shield that will last for 4 years.
Before all those 4 years any criticism they would take they can just reply with "no problem, the game isn't complete yet, wait for more 4 years then we talk!"
Man, it really sucks to have to wait 4 years for SC2 to be fun and epic... I guess we should be happy with the half-ass game we have rightnow!!
Nice move, they have the SC scene by the balls.
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On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!!
1. All of BW fans watched some sc2. Majority of them liked it less then BW. Period.
Only very few of sc2 fans watched BW. Some of them liked, besides knowing anything from history that makes BW so much enjoyable, some of them not. But saying that we don't watched sc2 pro matches is insulting. Freaking Sc2 community inception made from BW community (u know, guys like Tasteless, HotBid, Waxangel and many others?)
2. Sc2 is inferior game. Yes, it can become better game than BW, eventually. Hell, if blizzard wasn't the company that developing sc2 I would even say WILL become better game. You must doing something wrong, having hundreds great talents, 4 years of time, 2 addons and shitload of patches not to achieve that. But nowadays blizzard just forgot how to do games.
And here is the question: why wait for 4 years, when I can enjoy bw pro scene right now? Well... could.
3. Doing "but they need to make money" excuses for the companies that don't give a damn about customers (Im talking of some Blizzard decisions) is plain stupid. I don't even want to argue that.
4. Speaking of companies. Kespa apparently don't give a damn about their customers. Here is case in study: they couldn't find sponsor that was willing to give them necessary amount of money, now they can either cut their losses (couple less light projectors can't hurt pro scene), or change their strategy (i.e. not having 1 huge sponsors but many smaller instead). But what they did? We all know.
5. Sc2 guys can comfortably sit on theirs couch and enjoying "esports grow". But we have our favorite game killed (by 2 companies - blizzard and kespa). Its true we still can play it and have some indie tournaments, but it is not nearly the same. So yes, we are angry, and yes we are sometimes out of the line. Please forgive us. Or just fuck off, wouldn't you?
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On May 12 2012 12:50 Bareleon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 12:48 fabiano wrote:if they broke the game into 3 pieces, each piece should be complete in its own, otherwise we consumers are just fucking dumb to buy half shit for the price of a full shit..
Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2
So... ? Oh uh, did you forget Blizz is a company? And uh, companies need to make money? You are not making a computer game so you do not have to make any decisions for your game. Its always different when it comes to making money and making a game.
Thank you for pointing that out captain obvious. I'm sure none of us had thought of that =.= .
Btw might wanna read the latest flash interview. Loving the comments about how sc2 flash fans feel betrayed when he said protoss OP considering that Flash has no problem complaining in BW.
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On May 12 2012 13:13 fabiano wrote:
So basically Blizzard created a shield that will last for 4 years.
Before all those 4 years any criticism they would take they can just reply with "no problem, the game isn't complete yet, wait for more 4 years then we talk!"
Man, it really sucks to have to wait 4 years for SC2 to be fun and epic... I guess we should be happy with the half-ass game we have rightnow!!
Nice move, they have the SC scene by the balls.
To me this looks like SC2 is on life support. After it's cut off, it's uncertain whether the game's gonna be strong (good in terms of gameplay) enough to survive on its own.
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On May 12 2012 15:01 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 12:50 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:48 fabiano wrote:if they broke the game into 3 pieces, each piece should be complete in its own, otherwise we consumers are just fucking dumb to buy half shit for the price of a full shit..
Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2
So... ? Oh uh, did you forget Blizz is a company? And uh, companies need to make money? You are not making a computer game so you do not have to make any decisions for your game. Its always different when it comes to making money and making a game. Thank you for pointing that out captain obvious. I'm sure none of us had thought of that =.= . Btw might wanna read the latest flash interview. Loving the comments about how sc2 flash fans feel betrayed when he said protoss OP considering that Flash has no problem complaining in BW.
Flash, by his own admission, is bad at SC2 and would get crushed in Code B, so I don't know why everyone's taking his word as gospel on SC2 balance.
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On May 12 2012 14:31 elagrion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! 1. All of BW fans watched some sc2. Majority of them liked it less then BW. Period. Only very few of sc2 fans watched BW. Some of them liked, besides knowing anything from history that makes BW so much enjoyable, some of them not. But saying that we don't watched sc2 pro matches is insulting. Freaking Sc2 community inception made from BW community (u know, guys like Tasteless, HotBid, Waxangel and many others?) 2. Sc2 is inferior game. Yes, it can become better game than BW, eventually. Hell, if blizzard wasn't the company that developing sc2 I would even say WILL become better game. You must doing something wrong, having hundreds great talents, 4 years of time, 2 addons and shitload of patches not to achieve that. But nowadays blizzard just forgot how to do games. And here is the question: why wait for 4 years, when I can enjoy bw pro scene right now? Well... could. 3. Doing "but they need to make money" excuses for the companies that don't give a damn about customers (Im talking of some Blizzard decisions) is plain stupid. I don't even want to argue that. 4. Speaking of companies. Kespa apparently don't give a damn about their customers. Here is case in study: they couldn't find sponsor that was willing to give them necessary amount of money, now they can either cut their losses (couple less light projectors can't hurt pro scene), or change their strategy (i.e. not having 1 huge sponsors but many smaller instead). But what they did? We all know. 5. Sc2 guys can comfortably sit on theirs couch and enjoying "esports grow". But we have our favorite game killed (by 2 companies - blizzard and kespa). Its true we still can play it and have some indie tournaments, but it is not nearly the same. So yes, we are angry, and yes we are sometimes out of the line. Please forgive us. Or just fuck off, wouldn't you?
You have summed it up greatly, exactly my thoughts. I would like to add for anyone that does not understand what is the real wrong thing about sc2 for me. It is not about balance, it is not about units, it is not about micro or macro.... I don't like the way how the game feel, i don't like the units clumping together, i don't like the smarcasting and it is really boring to watch. Everything that made bw so exciting is gone (reavers, siege tank OP, lurkers, defilers) and there is nothing that replaced them in sc2. You could hold one ramp with 2 zealots, 2 cannons and 2 templars fairly long time. There are countless examples which make bw perfect and factors that make SC2 not perfect. SC2 cannot be saved by any expansion with new units or whatsoever. So anyone saying, wait the game is so fresh, just stfu already because it is not the case.
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On May 12 2012 17:00 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 13:13 fabiano wrote:
So basically Blizzard created a shield that will last for 4 years.
Before all those 4 years any criticism they would take they can just reply with "no problem, the game isn't complete yet, wait for more 4 years then we talk!"
Man, it really sucks to have to wait 4 years for SC2 to be fun and epic... I guess we should be happy with the half-ass game we have rightnow!!
Nice move, they have the SC scene by the balls. To me this looks like SC2 is on life support. After it's cut off, it's uncertain whether the game's gonna be strong (good in terms of gameplay) enough to survive on its own.
SC2 marionette. BW Optimus Prime.
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On May 12 2012 17:26 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:00 maybenexttime wrote:On May 12 2012 13:13 fabiano wrote:
So basically Blizzard created a shield that will last for 4 years.
Before all those 4 years any criticism they would take they can just reply with "no problem, the game isn't complete yet, wait for more 4 years then we talk!"
Man, it really sucks to have to wait 4 years for SC2 to be fun and epic... I guess we should be happy with the half-ass game we have rightnow!!
Nice move, they have the SC scene by the balls. To me this looks like SC2 is on life support. After it's cut off, it's uncertain whether the game's gonna be strong (good in terms of gameplay) enough to survive on its own. SC2 marionette. BW Optimus Prime.
thats surprisingly accurate.
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On May 12 2012 17:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:26 ShadeR wrote:On May 12 2012 17:00 maybenexttime wrote:On May 12 2012 13:13 fabiano wrote:
So basically Blizzard created a shield that will last for 4 years.
Before all those 4 years any criticism they would take they can just reply with "no problem, the game isn't complete yet, wait for more 4 years then we talk!"
Man, it really sucks to have to wait 4 years for SC2 to be fun and epic... I guess we should be happy with the half-ass game we have rightnow!!
Nice move, they have the SC scene by the balls. To me this looks like SC2 is on life support. After it's cut off, it's uncertain whether the game's gonna be strong (good in terms of gameplay) enough to survive on its own. SC2 marionette. BW Optimus Prime. thats surprisingly accurate.
Yeah cut the strings and the marionette is just a doll. Optimus on the flipside is autonomous.
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On May 12 2012 17:15 Ricjames wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 14:31 elagrion wrote:On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! 1. All of BW fans watched some sc2. Majority of them liked it less then BW. Period. Only very few of sc2 fans watched BW. Some of them liked, besides knowing anything from history that makes BW so much enjoyable, some of them not. But saying that we don't watched sc2 pro matches is insulting. Freaking Sc2 community inception made from BW community (u know, guys like Tasteless, HotBid, Waxangel and many others?) 2. Sc2 is inferior game. Yes, it can become better game than BW, eventually. Hell, if blizzard wasn't the company that developing sc2 I would even say WILL become better game. You must doing something wrong, having hundreds great talents, 4 years of time, 2 addons and shitload of patches not to achieve that. But nowadays blizzard just forgot how to do games. And here is the question: why wait for 4 years, when I can enjoy bw pro scene right now? Well... could. 3. Doing "but they need to make money" excuses for the companies that don't give a damn about customers (Im talking of some Blizzard decisions) is plain stupid. I don't even want to argue that. 4. Speaking of companies. Kespa apparently don't give a damn about their customers. Here is case in study: they couldn't find sponsor that was willing to give them necessary amount of money, now they can either cut their losses (couple less light projectors can't hurt pro scene), or change their strategy (i.e. not having 1 huge sponsors but many smaller instead). But what they did? We all know. 5. Sc2 guys can comfortably sit on theirs couch and enjoying "esports grow". But we have our favorite game killed (by 2 companies - blizzard and kespa). Its true we still can play it and have some indie tournaments, but it is not nearly the same. So yes, we are angry, and yes we are sometimes out of the line. Please forgive us. Or just fuck off, wouldn't you? You have summed it up greatly, exactly my thoughts. I would like to add for anyone that does not understand what is the real wrong thing about sc2 for me. It is not about balance, it is not about units, it is not about micro or macro.... I don't like the way how the game feel, i don't like the units clumping together, i don't like the smarcasting and it is really boring to watch. Everything that made bw so exciting is gone (reavers, siege tank OP, lurkers, defilers) and there is nothing that replaced them in sc2. You could hold one ramp with 2 zealots, 2 cannons and 2 templars fairly long time. There are countless examples which make bw perfect and factors that make SC2 not perfect. SC2 cannot be saved by any expansion with new units or whatsoever. So anyone saying, wait the game is so fresh, just stfu already because it is not the case.
Exactly. I can't understand the logic behind sc2 guys saying over and over again about how the game is fresh and will be great in future. They are delusioned beyond repair.
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I'm wondering whether anyone has shown them SC2BW. Do they even know of its existence? It's not an exact replica, of course, but perhaps a facelift would be better than just switching to actual SC2.
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On May 12 2012 18:53 andrea20 wrote:
I'm wondering whether anyone has shown them SC2BW. Do they even know of its existence? It's not an exact replica, of course, but perhaps a facelift would be better than just switching to actual SC2.
A facelift? You mean to take SC2BW and change the graphics to BW? You guys sure know how to make things complicated.
Aside from that, why do you think Blizzard would ever agree on anyone using a lame replica of BW instead of their new game they want to sell? It's not going to happen, ever. And the game isn't going to get much better either. It's been designed to appease the crowds and it's doing just that.
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On May 12 2012 19:05 Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 18:53 andrea20 wrote:
I'm wondering whether anyone has shown them SC2BW. Do they even know of its existence? It's not an exact replica, of course, but perhaps a facelift would be better than just switching to actual SC2. A facelift? You mean to take SC2BW and change the graphics to BW? You guys sure know how to make things complicated. Aside from that, why do you think Blizzard would ever agree on anyone using a lame replica of BW instead of their new game they want to sell? It's not going to happen, ever. And the game isn't going to get much better either. It's been designed to appease the crowds and it's doing just that.
Because the only way to play the lame replica of bw is to buy their new game they want to sell?
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