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On May 13 2012 03:59 miercat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2.  Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! Whether or not someone prefers to watch BW or SCII could be a personal " opinion." However, the fundamental differences between the games, and how these differences impact gameplay, competition, and entertainment, at the highest levels, is fact (essentially SCII is constrained in a number of areas). Whether you prefer it or not, BW at the highest level of competition, just offers "more" of essentially everything that SCII can offer. I have watched a number of Pro SCII matches, over the course of ~1.5 years. I found them dull, lacking, graphically irritating to watch (looks like cartoon, poor unit design, poor overall race graphic design, spells look really bad(e.g. infested terran looks terrible, fungal growth and neural parasite look terrible), all the units clump, etc..... Just the graphics alone make it psychologically painful for me to watch. In terms of gameplay, it is just as bad. It's not even really a case of SCII not being as good as BW - or SCII needing time to catch up, it's more like Pro BW is the most entertaining media ever created, and SCII is fundamentally so bad (in terms of graphics and gameplay- and consequently so limited) that I can't stand watching it. Yes, if you prefer SCII over BW, that is your personal preference, but in that case, you prefer a watered down product, to say the least.
Dull? Ofcourse it will be dull for 1.5 years until people starts figuring out stuff. I did try to watch a pro BW match and to me it was more dull than watching a SC2 pro match.
A lot of fun units blziz is gonna be adding in HoTS and other stuff too for the races. Gonna be so awesome to watch pro games, even more awesome than WoL.
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On May 13 2012 05:01 Bareleon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 03:59 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! Whether or not someone prefers to watch BW or SCII could be a personal " opinion." However, the fundamental differences between the games, and how these differences impact gameplay, competition, and entertainment, at the highest levels, is fact (essentially SCII is constrained in a number of areas). Whether you prefer it or not, BW at the highest level of competition, just offers "more" of essentially everything that SCII can offer. I have watched a number of Pro SCII matches, over the course of ~1.5 years. I found them dull, lacking, graphically irritating to watch (looks like cartoon, poor unit design, poor overall race graphic design, spells look really bad(e.g. infested terran looks terrible, fungal growth and neural parasite look terrible), all the units clump, etc..... Just the graphics alone make it psychologically painful for me to watch. In terms of gameplay, it is just as bad. It's not even really a case of SCII not being as good as BW - or SCII needing time to catch up, it's more like Pro BW is the most entertaining media ever created, and SCII is fundamentally so bad (in terms of graphics and gameplay- and consequently so limited) that I can't stand watching it. Yes, if you prefer SCII over BW, that is your personal preference, but in that case, you prefer a watered down product, to say the least. Dull? Ofcourse it will be dull for 1.5 years until people starts figuring out stuff. I did try to watch a pro BW match and to me it was more dull than watching a SC2 pro match. A lot of fun units blziz is gonna be adding in HoTS and other stuff too for the races. Gonna be so awesome to watch pro games, even more awesome than WoL.
Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all, even if not completely informed.
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On May 13 2012 04:25 clickrush wrote:
this discussion makes our community look bad. stop taking yourselves so serious.
Why not, isn't 'e-sport' suppose to be serious biz?
On May 13 2012 05:01 Bareleon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 03:59 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! Whether or not someone prefers to watch BW or SCII could be a personal " opinion." However, the fundamental differences between the games, and how these differences impact gameplay, competition, and entertainment, at the highest levels, is fact (essentially SCII is constrained in a number of areas). Whether you prefer it or not, BW at the highest level of competition, just offers "more" of essentially everything that SCII can offer. I have watched a number of Pro SCII matches, over the course of ~1.5 years. I found them dull, lacking, graphically irritating to watch (looks like cartoon, poor unit design, poor overall race graphic design, spells look really bad(e.g. infested terran looks terrible, fungal growth and neural parasite look terrible), all the units clump, etc..... Just the graphics alone make it psychologically painful for me to watch. In terms of gameplay, it is just as bad. It's not even really a case of SCII not being as good as BW - or SCII needing time to catch up, it's more like Pro BW is the most entertaining media ever created, and SCII is fundamentally so bad (in terms of graphics and gameplay- and consequently so limited) that I can't stand watching it. Yes, if you prefer SCII over BW, that is your personal preference, but in that case, you prefer a watered down product, to say the least. Dull? Ofcourse it will be dull for 1.5 years until people starts figuring out stuff. I did try to watch a pro BW match and to me it was more dull than watching a SC2 pro match. A lot of fun units blziz is gonna be adding in HoTS and other stuff too for the races. Gonna be so awesome to watch pro games, even more awesome than WoL.
Show me the link of that BW game and then we'll talk.
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On May 13 2012 05:20 miercat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 05:01 Bareleon wrote:On May 13 2012 03:59 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! Whether or not someone prefers to watch BW or SCII could be a personal " opinion." However, the fundamental differences between the games, and how these differences impact gameplay, competition, and entertainment, at the highest levels, is fact (essentially SCII is constrained in a number of areas). Whether you prefer it or not, BW at the highest level of competition, just offers "more" of essentially everything that SCII can offer. I have watched a number of Pro SCII matches, over the course of ~1.5 years. I found them dull, lacking, graphically irritating to watch (looks like cartoon, poor unit design, poor overall race graphic design, spells look really bad(e.g. infested terran looks terrible, fungal growth and neural parasite look terrible), all the units clump, etc..... Just the graphics alone make it psychologically painful for me to watch. In terms of gameplay, it is just as bad. It's not even really a case of SCII not being as good as BW - or SCII needing time to catch up, it's more like Pro BW is the most entertaining media ever created, and SCII is fundamentally so bad (in terms of graphics and gameplay- and consequently so limited) that I can't stand watching it. Yes, if you prefer SCII over BW, that is your personal preference, but in that case, you prefer a watered down product, to say the least. Dull? Ofcourse it will be dull for 1.5 years until people starts figuring out stuff. I did try to watch a pro BW match and to me it was more dull than watching a SC2 pro match. A lot of fun units blziz is gonna be adding in HoTS and other stuff too for the races. Gonna be so awesome to watch pro games, even more awesome than WoL. Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all, even if not completely informed.
You should just stop. You're being very silly.
You two reached a good point with the "it's just our opinions", but then you masqueraded your own very strong opinion as fact. "BW offers more" is an unsubstantiated claim on your part and "fungal growth, neural parasite, etc look terrible" is textbook opinion. Rewind to the part where you let each other be without trying to oppress.
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On May 13 2012 08:42 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 05:20 miercat wrote:On May 13 2012 05:01 Bareleon wrote:On May 13 2012 03:59 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! Whether or not someone prefers to watch BW or SCII could be a personal " opinion." However, the fundamental differences between the games, and how these differences impact gameplay, competition, and entertainment, at the highest levels, is fact (essentially SCII is constrained in a number of areas). Whether you prefer it or not, BW at the highest level of competition, just offers "more" of essentially everything that SCII can offer. I have watched a number of Pro SCII matches, over the course of ~1.5 years. I found them dull, lacking, graphically irritating to watch (looks like cartoon, poor unit design, poor overall race graphic design, spells look really bad(e.g. infested terran looks terrible, fungal growth and neural parasite look terrible), all the units clump, etc..... Just the graphics alone make it psychologically painful for me to watch. In terms of gameplay, it is just as bad. It's not even really a case of SCII not being as good as BW - or SCII needing time to catch up, it's more like Pro BW is the most entertaining media ever created, and SCII is fundamentally so bad (in terms of graphics and gameplay- and consequently so limited) that I can't stand watching it. Yes, if you prefer SCII over BW, that is your personal preference, but in that case, you prefer a watered down product, to say the least. Dull? Ofcourse it will be dull for 1.5 years until people starts figuring out stuff. I did try to watch a pro BW match and to me it was more dull than watching a SC2 pro match. A lot of fun units blziz is gonna be adding in HoTS and other stuff too for the races. Gonna be so awesome to watch pro games, even more awesome than WoL. Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all, even if not completely informed. You should just stop. You're being very silly. You two reached a good point with the "it's just our opinions", but then you masqueraded your own very strong opinion as fact. "BW offers more" is an unsubstantiated claim on your part and "fungal growth, neural parasite, etc look terrible" is textbook opinion. Rewind to the part where you let each other be without trying to oppress.
You either lack the ability to effectively comprehend my response, or you simply didn`t put in enough effort.
"BW offers more" refers to the fundamental differences in gameplay, between the two games, and the consequences of those differences (SCII is constrained in many areas of gameplay), which is fact, not opinion.
My opinion on fungal growth, neural parasite, etc... was a direct response to the other poster's assertion - "Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!!," - but completely separate from the main point.
In other words, the fact that BW and SCII have fundamental differences, which ultimately result in BW being able to offer "more," is a fact that has been substantiated numerous times, however, whether you prefer to watch BW, or a watered down version of it, is completely up to the individual. Trying to oppress? To the contrary - my last post was: "Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all..."
Improve your reading comprehension, and you will not make such misguided/worthless/irrelevant posts in the future.
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On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2.
people like you and statements like this are why I am beginning to hate teamliquid
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On May 12 2012 20:53 meldonSC wrote:
I just waded through 40 pages of bitching about SC2 vs BW because all I want to know is can I watch this, and will there be English commentary and easy-to-find videos. But it looks like nobody's really sure... there's gonna be vods, there probably won't be a stream right away, and nobody knows about English commentary but it doesn't seem likely.
So I'm super duper excited about this. I love StarCraft. Brood War, SC2, love it all. Love it love it love it. I love the GSL, I love my favorite English BW commentators, I love Day9, NukeTheStars, Husky, Tastostis, Moletrap, JP McDaniel, on and on and on. I love MVP, DRG, NesTea, MC, Boxer, Nada, Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Reach, Zero, and STOOOOOORKUUUU!!! I got so into watching Korean VODs that it became my new lunchtime activity at work. I volunteered to feed our baby girl all the time because it meant I had a good half hour in front of the PC to catch another game. I continually subscribe to new GSL seasons and eat it up. I went to MLG and had an absolute blast watching Bomber and Idra and Huk and everyone live and meeting the TL pros and drinking Dr. Peppers for hours and hours with 2000 of my closest friends. All cheering for StarCraft on the big screen.
Look, I'm old as heck - I went to E3 the in 1998. THE year. Blizzard was so hip they had rented out a nearby hotel lobby just for the hell of it, because they wanted a captive audience for their new game's big debut. Loving WC2 like I did, hell yes I went! I met lots of the devs, hung out with a dude in a 10' tall Zealot suit, and got to see the game before anyone else (this is before YouTube... we used two cups and a string... until then you could only see still shots of the game). I was in love. I worked at Best Buy as a young dude and by God it was my mission to stock SC and I made sure to fill as many shelves as humanly possible so everyone would see it when they walked in the door (yeah, I know... we had to use stores to get games!) - of course I pulled my copy before I stocked them. The first boxes were so cool - three different covers, one had a Terran Marine (sans helmet), one had a Hydralisk, and one had a Zealot - all closeup faces. I took the Hydra because that thing was boss as all get out. I knew I had to play me some Zerg. But I wasn't about to play that campaign in anything but the order the designers intended. I sucked at SC online but I played every chance I got. That damn game cost me at least one year in college.
I have never been as excited as when I learned so many years later (marriage, kids, career, house...) that they were making ANOTHER STARCRAFT. It was that announcement that somehow led me to a message board that linked a pro game, and started my hobby. I watch more than I play and I wouldn't have it any other way. And now you're telling me my favorite players' careers aren't over yet? HELL TO THE YEAH! Am I excited to see what happens? Wooooooo!
So anyway. I love the GSL because I can go there and find in an easily indexed format the newest matches and watch them when I have the time. I'll gladly keep paying them the cash. The games come out right on schedule, and the casters are supreme. The production values are top notch, and the site rocks for bandwidth and speed. SC looks incredible on the big screen in HD! I would love love love to see them do this for this new Proleague - I'll watch it in Korean in low res if I have to, but if you can produce something like what they've done for the GSL here and it has Stork (and for the love of god don't take out Carriers yet! Just for him!) and everyone else I love then SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
I've seen SC go from an obscure hobby that a lot of the gaming world's forgotten to something where thousands show up at the convention center just to watch. I'm so glad we at least have two more games coming! Knowing Blizzard, I'll be a retiree before SC3 comes out! :D
So yeah. My sig says it all.
Sir. You just won this thread. And congratz on your first post. Welcome to team liquid!
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 20:53 meldonSC wrote:
I just waded through 40 pages of bitching about SC2 vs BW because all I want to know is can I watch this, and will there be English commentary and easy-to-find videos. But it looks like nobody's really sure... there's gonna be vods, there probably won't be a stream right away, and nobody knows about English commentary but it doesn't seem likely.
So I'm super duper excited about this. I love StarCraft. Brood War, SC2, love it all. Love it love it love it. I love the GSL, I love my favorite English BW commentators, I love Day9, NukeTheStars, Husky, Tastostis, Moletrap, JP McDaniel, on and on and on. I love MVP, DRG, NesTea, MC, Boxer, Nada, Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Reach, Zero, and STOOOOOORKUUUU!!! I got so into watching Korean VODs that it became my new lunchtime activity at work. I volunteered to feed our baby girl all the time because it meant I had a good half hour in front of the PC to catch another game. I continually subscribe to new GSL seasons and eat it up. I went to MLG and had an absolute blast watching Bomber and Idra and Huk and everyone live and meeting the TL pros and drinking Dr. Peppers for hours and hours with 2000 of my closest friends. All cheering for StarCraft on the big screen.
Look, I'm old as heck - I went to E3 the in 1998. THE year. Blizzard was so hip they had rented out a nearby hotel lobby just for the hell of it, because they wanted a captive audience for their new game's big debut. Loving WC2 like I did, hell yes I went! I met lots of the devs, hung out with a dude in a 10' tall Zealot suit, and got to see the game before anyone else (this is before YouTube... we used two cups and a string... until then you could only see still shots of the game). I was in love. I worked at Best Buy as a young dude and by God it was my mission to stock SC and I made sure to fill as many shelves as humanly possible so everyone would see it when they walked in the door (yeah, I know... we had to use stores to get games!) - of course I pulled my copy before I stocked them. The first boxes were so cool - three different covers, one had a Terran Marine (sans helmet), one had a Hydralisk, and one had a Zealot - all closeup faces. I took the Hydra because that thing was boss as all get out. I knew I had to play me some Zerg. But I wasn't about to play that campaign in anything but the order the designers intended. I sucked at SC online but I played every chance I got. That damn game cost me at least one year in college.
I have never been as excited as when I learned so many years later (marriage, kids, career, house...) that they were making ANOTHER STARCRAFT. It was that announcement that somehow led me to a message board that linked a pro game, and started my hobby. I watch more than I play and I wouldn't have it any other way. And now you're telling me my favorite players' careers aren't over yet? HELL TO THE YEAH! Am I excited to see what happens? Wooooooo!
So anyway. I love the GSL because I can go there and find in an easily indexed format the newest matches and watch them when I have the time. I'll gladly keep paying them the cash. The games come out right on schedule, and the casters are supreme. The production values are top notch, and the site rocks for bandwidth and speed. SC looks incredible on the big screen in HD! I would love love love to see them do this for this new Proleague - I'll watch it in Korean in low res if I have to, but if you can produce something like what they've done for the GSL here and it has Stork (and for the love of god don't take out Carriers yet! Just for him!) and everyone else I love then SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
I've seen SC go from an obscure hobby that a lot of the gaming world's forgotten to something where thousands show up at the convention center just to watch. I'm so glad we at least have two more games coming! Knowing Blizzard, I'll be a retiree before SC3 comes out! :D
So yeah. My sig says it all.
awesome story, awesome memories shared!
i remember how i was a huge red alert fanboy and played the sc demo (summer '98). i fell in love instantly. of course i ended up getting it right away, beating it and playing tons and tons of offline games (we had no internet back then^^).
unfortunately i couldn't go to any us events (that goes for e3 as well as blizzcon), as i was only 13 years old and living in germany...
at the age of 15 we moved to a different city. i knew nobody whatsoever, but when i was carriying my pc home one day, this dude asked me what i was playing. i said one word: starcraft. baaaam. 3 days later i was invited to my first lan. my sc playing friends all lived in on big multi-storey building- great coincidence!!! by that time we already played bw. it was the best time. we were spread on 5 different storeys- 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th. we had a bunch of 15m (that should be close to 50ft) long cables going down to the 1st floor (that's were our hub was) and ended up playing complete weekends. luckily i was very good at school so my parents didn't bother as they were happy i made friends quickly.
ever since i got the real game i was coped with protoss! i was "speshual tacticing" it up, way before i heared about it on sotg, going dts way before i knew about bisu.
we did this every weekend and holiday- literally every weekend! in total we were 5 guys playing the game on different levels (literally^^).
as i turned 17 my interest in sc begann to fade, everyone i knew was all about ut, quake, fifa and nba games...
still, when i got accepted for a foreign exchange programm the only 2 games i took with me were dungeon keeper 2 (my pc in germany was too slow for that and i was hoping my new american family had a better pc --->wrong^^)and sc. i forgot one bag in ger with bw in it  , so i "only" had the original sc (protoss cover- who needs a mouth!?!).
as the cd case was severly damaged i had no cd-key left whatsoever. thank god i rememberd that in 8th grade one of my friends told us about the key-bug/master key!
i cannot remember it anymore, but with any original unpatched (cause tha's how i rolled  ) all you had to do was to enter this weired number "9333333333331" or something like that. the numbers may be different, but you get the idea... (if anybody knows about that, pm me  .
of course in america nobody i knew gave a s**t about sc, making it hard for me to gain friends in the beginning. comming from europe i had no clue about madden, baseball or ncaa game at all (gooo bearcats!/buckeys). so once again i was by myself, playing sc. this time i was able to try out the battle.net, finding out that the games in our little microcosm in germany were harder for me o0 (i guess tha's b/c everybody figuered out everybody elses playstyle at one point).
by the time i graduated from high school i completly lost track of sc
i was rather going on parties and getting wasted.
i think in 08 i saw the "hell it's about time" trailer and got goose bumps! i got it the day it came out, right after i took an exame (i failed advanced microeconomics and gametheory (oh yeah, game theory best class evar! game theory also explains why mvp cheesed out all protosses he met but that's a different story )). in october 2010 i googled "best sc2 tournament" and ended up being hooked to the gsl ever since. i have bought all seasons (except for the ones w/out tastosis- the long season teamleagues, but i got the first appearence of squirtle on team league season 2 vs mvp^^ or mma being named "legend killer" by artosis).
i suck at the game, as i don't really have time to play anymore but i'm hooked on sc more than ever. gsl/streams/mlg is pretty much all i watch, on my laptop, tablet and cell phone!!! i've been constantly visiting tl since october 2010 but i joined just recently, after the news of the (perhaps last) 2012 osl! that was in fact my first tl comment.
i have always been a macro player- as i came from epic franchizes- civilization, aoe and the anno series. so till this day i rather go up to 5 base, that's why i liked mvp's playstyle waymore than any other early sc2 protoss (except for ki-su who would fast expand every game and get cheesed out (gsl open season 1 seo, ki-su vs. "hope-torture" steps of war comes to my mind)).
i thank the tl community for their love and passion about sc. reeding 20 pages of flaming and offending each other about which sc game is better and who needs to comprehend better to what they read makes me sad in a way. as i barely knew any people who played sc (my entire life) i rather make friends with any nerd than bash them...
so thank you blizzard for awesome games, thank you nazgul/tl for giving me this awesome community
and speshual thanks to meldonsc for sharing his memories.
oh and @topic: awesome news! can't wait for proleague to beginn!!!
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On May 13 2012 09:46 miercat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 08:42 urashimakt wrote:On May 13 2012 05:20 miercat wrote:On May 13 2012 05:01 Bareleon wrote:On May 13 2012 03:59 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! Whether or not someone prefers to watch BW or SCII could be a personal " opinion." However, the fundamental differences between the games, and how these differences impact gameplay, competition, and entertainment, at the highest levels, is fact (essentially SCII is constrained in a number of areas). Whether you prefer it or not, BW at the highest level of competition, just offers "more" of essentially everything that SCII can offer. I have watched a number of Pro SCII matches, over the course of ~1.5 years. I found them dull, lacking, graphically irritating to watch (looks like cartoon, poor unit design, poor overall race graphic design, spells look really bad(e.g. infested terran looks terrible, fungal growth and neural parasite look terrible), all the units clump, etc..... Just the graphics alone make it psychologically painful for me to watch. In terms of gameplay, it is just as bad. It's not even really a case of SCII not being as good as BW - or SCII needing time to catch up, it's more like Pro BW is the most entertaining media ever created, and SCII is fundamentally so bad (in terms of graphics and gameplay- and consequently so limited) that I can't stand watching it. Yes, if you prefer SCII over BW, that is your personal preference, but in that case, you prefer a watered down product, to say the least. Dull? Ofcourse it will be dull for 1.5 years until people starts figuring out stuff. I did try to watch a pro BW match and to me it was more dull than watching a SC2 pro match. A lot of fun units blziz is gonna be adding in HoTS and other stuff too for the races. Gonna be so awesome to watch pro games, even more awesome than WoL. Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all, even if not completely informed. You should just stop. You're being very silly. You two reached a good point with the "it's just our opinions", but then you masqueraded your own very strong opinion as fact. "BW offers more" is an unsubstantiated claim on your part and "fungal growth, neural parasite, etc look terrible" is textbook opinion. Rewind to the part where you let each other be without trying to oppress. You either lack the ability to effectively comprehend my response, or you simply didn`t put in enough effort. "BW offers more" refers to the fundamental differences in gameplay, between the two games, and the consequences of those differences (SCII is constrained in many areas of gameplay), which is fact, not opinion. My opinion on fungal growth, neural parasite, etc... was a direct response to the other poster's assertion - "Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!!," - but completely separate from the main point. In other words, the fact that BW and SCII have fundamental differences, which ultimately result in BW being able to offer "more," is a fact that has been substantiated numerous times, however, whether you prefer to watch BW, or a watered down version of it, is completely up to the individual. Trying to oppress? To the contrary - my last post was: "Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all..." Improve your reading comprehension, and you will not make such misguided/worthless/irrelevant posts in the future.
Yeah...good luck with that attitude, mate.
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Dudes, thanks so much! I'm so with you on the 'real life' thing - I occasionally throw something on Facebook about StarCraft and everyone just ignores it. But a note about how I made my kids pancakes and I get fifty replies haha. That's why MLG was so incredibly awesome and I am praying to Odin that we get another one in Raleigh (represent!) this summer so I can hound some of those Broodwar guys for their autographs!
Oh, and for the record? Getting both BW and SC2 in the same tourney makes me feel like I must be getting karma back for all the toys I donated to the orphans or something :D 7 days to go!!!!
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Immediately joined TL the moment I saw this. Quite exciting really, but I can't help but feel that it's a bit unfair to the players though... As much as they may (or may not) enjoy playing SC2 on the side, its quite a challenge to suddenly have such a huge shift like this. Not to mention that from the looks of it, and correct me if I'm mistaken here, you really don't have to win your BW games at all and still win the series? Just seems like too huge shift all of a sudden, especially for the players. =/
On the other hand, I'm really interested to see what comes of this, assuming they shift fully to SC2 after a while. Would be pretty awesome to see more teams participating in team leagues if it gets to that point. The SC2 fan in me definitely approves =D
With regards to the following however....
On May 13 2012 09:46 miercat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 08:42 urashimakt wrote:On May 13 2012 05:20 miercat wrote:On May 13 2012 05:01 Bareleon wrote:On May 13 2012 03:59 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! Whether or not someone prefers to watch BW or SCII could be a personal " opinion." However, the fundamental differences between the games, and how these differences impact gameplay, competition, and entertainment, at the highest levels, is fact (essentially SCII is constrained in a number of areas). Whether you prefer it or not, BW at the highest level of competition, just offers "more" of essentially everything that SCII can offer. I have watched a number of Pro SCII matches, over the course of ~1.5 years. I found them dull, lacking, graphically irritating to watch (looks like cartoon, poor unit design, poor overall race graphic design, spells look really bad(e.g. infested terran looks terrible, fungal growth and neural parasite look terrible), all the units clump, etc..... Just the graphics alone make it psychologically painful for me to watch. In terms of gameplay, it is just as bad. It's not even really a case of SCII not being as good as BW - or SCII needing time to catch up, it's more like Pro BW is the most entertaining media ever created, and SCII is fundamentally so bad (in terms of graphics and gameplay- and consequently so limited) that I can't stand watching it. Yes, if you prefer SCII over BW, that is your personal preference, but in that case, you prefer a watered down product, to say the least. Dull? Ofcourse it will be dull for 1.5 years until people starts figuring out stuff. I did try to watch a pro BW match and to me it was more dull than watching a SC2 pro match. A lot of fun units blziz is gonna be adding in HoTS and other stuff too for the races. Gonna be so awesome to watch pro games, even more awesome than WoL. Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all, even if not completely informed. You should just stop. You're being very silly. You two reached a good point with the "it's just our opinions", but then you masqueraded your own very strong opinion as fact. "BW offers more" is an unsubstantiated claim on your part and "fungal growth, neural parasite, etc look terrible" is textbook opinion. Rewind to the part where you let each other be without trying to oppress. You either lack the ability to effectively comprehend my response, or you simply didn`t put in enough effort. "BW offers more" refers to the fundamental differences in gameplay, between the two games, and the consequences of those differences (SCII is constrained in many areas of gameplay), which is fact, not opinion. My opinion on fungal growth, neural parasite, etc... was a direct response to the other poster's assertion - "Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!!," - but completely separate from the main point. In other words, the fact that BW and SCII have fundamental differences, which ultimately result in BW being able to offer "more," is a fact that has been substantiated numerous times, however, whether you prefer to watch BW, or a watered down version of it, is completely up to the individual. Trying to oppress? To the contrary - my last post was: "Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all..." Improve your reading comprehension, and you will not make such misguided/worthless/irrelevant posts in the future.
I think what he meant by "unsubstantiated claim" is that you provided no evidence in support of your claim that "BW offers more". By there being fundamental differences in gameplay, it doesn't automatically mean that one game offers more than the other, it just proves they're different. You didn't explain the reasoning behind that claim, that's why it's just seen as an opinion right now.
Personally though, I feel they are both equally competent. Maybe I'd be more inclined to be at awe for the stunts pulled off in BW as compared to SC2 but probably because BW is more mechanically demanding on the players with unit control not being the easiest thing to do and not to forget the lack of smart-casting.
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Really seriously, this is a great time for starcraft fans!
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On May 14 2012 00:40 6NR wrote:
Really seriously, this is a great time for starcraft2 fans!
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On May 13 2012 10:49 slappy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. people like you and statements like this are why I am beginning to hate teamliquid
The fact he hasn't been banned astounds me. God TL is not the same as it used to be. Don't get me wrong, the good outnumber the bad, but when people like him make uninformed, biased post, it hurts.
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I hope this gives good BW games, or at least good SC2 games... Not 2 half assed games.
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On May 14 2012 00:23 Aazean wrote:Immediately joined TL the moment I saw this. Quite exciting really, but I can't help but feel that it's a bit unfair to the players though... As much as they may (or may not) enjoy playing SC2 on the side, its quite a challenge to suddenly have such a huge shift like this. Not to mention that from the looks of it, and correct me if I'm mistaken here, you really don't have to win your BW games at all and still win the series? Just seems like too huge shift all of a sudden, especially for the players. =/ On the other hand, I'm really interested to see what comes of this, assuming they shift fully to SC2 after a while. Would be pretty awesome to see more teams participating in team leagues if it gets to that point. The SC2 fan in me definitely approves =D With regards to the following however.... Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 09:46 miercat wrote:On May 13 2012 08:42 urashimakt wrote:On May 13 2012 05:20 miercat wrote:On May 13 2012 05:01 Bareleon wrote:On May 13 2012 03:59 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:
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Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! Whether or not someone prefers to watch BW or SCII could be a personal " opinion." However, the fundamental differences between the games, and how these differences impact gameplay, competition, and entertainment, at the highest levels, is fact (essentially SCII is constrained in a number of areas). Whether you prefer it or not, BW at the highest level of competition, just offers "more" of essentially everything that SCII can offer. I have watched a number of Pro SCII matches, over the course of ~1.5 years. I found them dull, lacking, graphically irritating to watch (looks like cartoon, poor unit design, poor overall race graphic design, spells look really bad(e.g. infested terran looks terrible, fungal growth and neural parasite look terrible), all the units clump, etc..... Just the graphics alone make it psychologically painful for me to watch. In terms of gameplay, it is just as bad. It's not even really a case of SCII not being as good as BW - or SCII needing time to catch up, it's more like Pro BW is the most entertaining media ever created, and SCII is fundamentally so bad (in terms of graphics and gameplay- and consequently so limited) that I can't stand watching it. Yes, if you prefer SCII over BW, that is your personal preference, but in that case, you prefer a watered down product, to say the least. Dull? Ofcourse it will be dull for 1.5 years until people starts figuring out stuff. I did try to watch a pro BW match and to me it was more dull than watching a SC2 pro match. A lot of fun units blziz is gonna be adding in HoTS and other stuff too for the races. Gonna be so awesome to watch pro games, even more awesome than WoL. Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all, even if not completely informed. You should just stop. You're being very silly. You two reached a good point with the "it's just our opinions", but then you masqueraded your own very strong opinion as fact. "BW offers more" is an unsubstantiated claim on your part and "fungal growth, neural parasite, etc look terrible" is textbook opinion. Rewind to the part where you let each other be without trying to oppress. You either lack the ability to effectively comprehend my response, or you simply didn`t put in enough effort. "BW offers more" refers to the fundamental differences in gameplay, between the two games, and the consequences of those differences (SCII is constrained in many areas of gameplay), which is fact, not opinion. My opinion on fungal growth, neural parasite, etc... was a direct response to the other poster's assertion - "Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!!," - but completely separate from the main point. In other words, the fact that BW and SCII have fundamental differences, which ultimately result in BW being able to offer "more," is a fact that has been substantiated numerous times, however, whether you prefer to watch BW, or a watered down version of it, is completely up to the individual. Trying to oppress? To the contrary - my last post was: "Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all..." Improve your reading comprehension, and you will not make such misguided/worthless/irrelevant posts in the future. I think what he meant by "unsubstantiated claim" is that you provided no evidence in support of your claim that "BW offers more". By there being fundamental differences in gameplay, it doesn't automatically mean that one game offers more than the other, it just proves they're different. You didn't explain the reasoning behind that claim, that's why it's just seen as an opinion right now. Personally though, I feel they are both equally competent. Maybe I'd be more inclined to be at awe for the stunts pulled off in BW as compared to SC2 but probably because BW is more mechanically demanding on the players with unit control not being the easiest thing to do and not to forget the lack of smart-casting.
I think there is an over-fetishizaton and overuse of "mechanics" as the main differentiator between SC2 and BW (and BW fans fall prey to this as well when comparing the two games). Both Starcrafts are strategy games foremost. I don't watch either because I want to see people play UMS micro games or select a bunch of buildings and press hotkeys. I cringe everytime a SC2 caster talks about "macro" games. All games require macro/micro/etc and it is silly to differentiate based on aspects of the game that are a given at the highest level. The reason I prefer BW is b/c tactically and strategically, it is much more developed and deep. SC2 has gotten better over two years, but not as much as hoped in the beginning. The reason why, for example, Bisu's PvZ is so sublime is because his decisions are flawless, his execution crisp, and his thinking prescient. Mechanics/multitask/micro are an ends to a mean, not the end itself.
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I really really really really really really hope there is an english caster for this
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On May 14 2012 01:54 SlowBullets wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 10:49 slappy wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:On May 12 2012 12:35 Bareleon wrote:
Too many BW trolls bashing on SC2 what a shame. No one is forcing you to play or watch SC2. People still cant take different game is different nor can they take change.
i am glad BW will be dead. Forever SC2!!!!!!! <3 Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. people like you and statements like this are why I am beginning to hate teamliquid The fact he hasn't been banned astounds me. God TL is not the same as it used to be. Don't get me wrong, the good outnumber the bad, but when people like him make uninformed, biased post, it hurts.
Can't blame the mods though, they would need an increase in force to wade through all the shit storms here nowadays. TL went from having a handful of people who love BW, and really the only trolling and bashing was the team vs team rivalries which was all in good fun and I loved to read it all (mostly kt vs skt rofl), to now where most threads remind me of reading youtube comments, and is full of people from all corners of the internet
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Ugh all this hate is hard to wade through.. I just want to know if this is going to be broadcasted for people outside of Korea or not.
But seriously, people come onto these forums looking for a fight, from both sides... BW and SC 2. Its annoying how there is two sides anyways... Its only going to divide us in the end. Can't we all just get along?
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On May 14 2012 03:39 R3demption wrote:
Ugh all this hate is hard to wade through.. I just want to know if this is going to be broadcasted for people outside of Korea or not.
But seriously, people come onto these forums looking for a fight, from both sides... BW and SC 2. Its annoying how there is two sides anyways... Its only going to divide us in the end. Can't we all just get along?
There can be only one Starcraft.
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