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[QUOTE[i]]On May 14 2012 03:45 fabiano wrote:
On May 14 2012 03:39 R3demption wrote:
Ugh all this hate is hard to wade through.. I just want to know if this is going to be broadcasted for people outside of Korea or not.
But seriously, people come onto these forums looking for a fight, from both sides... BW and SC 2. Its annoying how there is two sides anyways... Its only going to divide us in the end. Can't we all just get along?
There can be only one Starcraft.
Can we all just agree that the StarCraft franchise, in all its glory, is better than any other game and our community is by far the most respected one out there? I could care less about a debate SC vs BW vs SC 2, because they're all great games and it comes down to individual opinion most of the time. And yes, BW veterans and fans, we love and respect you. You led the way for everything in SC 2 and RTS in general. If someone comes in here and disrespects you and your game from SC 2, trust me, they are just the vocal minority. Most of SC 2 fans acknowledge the greatness of BW. Fighting with the few trolls is pointless...
The only time I would expect us to fight on these forums is if someone from Halo or LoL or COD comes in and claims to be better. Cause that douchebag is an idiot and fair game 
But seriously! I LOVE STARCRAFT and anything related to it gets me pumped. I just hope May 20th will be as awesome as I expect it to be. And I hope I can watch it with my brother!
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I'm not a veteran.
I will follow the SC2 SPL, at least for a while. I expect it to be very boring, but here I am giving yet another chance for SC2 to show me that it can be at least half exciting as BW.
I've given countless chances for SC2, my patience is running low though.
Edit: btw, if BW has to go, then I truly want SC2 to become good, I want to continue watching SKT1 roflstomping KT in every SPL. I want to keep seeing Fantasy TvTs, Bisu winning OSL.
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On May 14 2012 03:55 R3demption wrote:[QUOTE[i]] On May 14 2012 03:45 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 03:39 R3demption wrote:
Ugh all this hate is hard to wade through.. I just want to know if this is going to be broadcasted for people outside of Korea or not.
But seriously, people come onto these forums looking for a fight, from both sides... BW and SC 2. Its annoying how there is two sides anyways... Its only going to divide us in the end. Can't we all just get along? Can we all just agree that the StarCraft franchise, in all its glory, is better than any other game and our community is by far the most respected one out there? I could care less about a debate SC vs BW vs SC 2, because they're all great games and it comes down to individual opinion most of the time. And yes, BW veterans and fans, we love and respect you. You led the way for everything in SC 2 and RTS in general. If someone comes in here and disrespects you and your game from SC 2, trust me, they are just the vocal minority. Most of SC 2 fans acknowledge the greatness of BW. Fighting with the few trolls is pointless... The only time I would expect us to fight on these forums is if someone from Halo or LoL or COD comes in and claims to be better. Cause that douchebag is an idiot and fair game But seriously! I LOVE STARCRAFT and anything related to it gets me pumped. I just hope May 20th will be as awesome as I expect it to be. And I hope I can watch it with my brother!
Hear Hear! I also just jumped on because I realized I didn't properly give a shot out to Wolf and Khaldor - two guys I didn't know anything about before GSL but are fantastico supreme and deserve as much praise as everyone else I namedropped. Now back to watching the match I just started!
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On May 14 2012 02:33 trifecta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 00:23 Aazean wrote:Immediately joined TL the moment I saw this. Quite exciting really, but I can't help but feel that it's a bit unfair to the players though... As much as they may (or may not) enjoy playing SC2 on the side, its quite a challenge to suddenly have such a huge shift like this. Not to mention that from the looks of it, and correct me if I'm mistaken here, you really don't have to win your BW games at all and still win the series? Just seems like too huge shift all of a sudden, especially for the players. =/ On the other hand, I'm really interested to see what comes of this, assuming they shift fully to SC2 after a while. Would be pretty awesome to see more teams participating in team leagues if it gets to that point. The SC2 fan in me definitely approves =D With regards to the following however.... On May 13 2012 09:46 miercat wrote:On May 13 2012 08:42 urashimakt wrote:On May 13 2012 05:20 miercat wrote:On May 13 2012 05:01 Bareleon wrote:On May 13 2012 03:59 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:[quote] I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2.  Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! Whether or not someone prefers to watch BW or SCII could be a personal " opinion." However, the fundamental differences between the games, and how these differences impact gameplay, competition, and entertainment, at the highest levels, is fact (essentially SCII is constrained in a number of areas). Whether you prefer it or not, BW at the highest level of competition, just offers "more" of essentially everything that SCII can offer. I have watched a number of Pro SCII matches, over the course of ~1.5 years. I found them dull, lacking, graphically irritating to watch (looks like cartoon, poor unit design, poor overall race graphic design, spells look really bad(e.g. infested terran looks terrible, fungal growth and neural parasite look terrible), all the units clump, etc..... Just the graphics alone make it psychologically painful for me to watch. In terms of gameplay, it is just as bad. It's not even really a case of SCII not being as good as BW - or SCII needing time to catch up, it's more like Pro BW is the most entertaining media ever created, and SCII is fundamentally so bad (in terms of graphics and gameplay- and consequently so limited) that I can't stand watching it. Yes, if you prefer SCII over BW, that is your personal preference, but in that case, you prefer a watered down product, to say the least. Dull? Ofcourse it will be dull for 1.5 years until people starts figuring out stuff. I did try to watch a pro BW match and to me it was more dull than watching a SC2 pro match. A lot of fun units blziz is gonna be adding in HoTS and other stuff too for the races. Gonna be so awesome to watch pro games, even more awesome than WoL. Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all, even if not completely informed. You should just stop. You're being very silly. You two reached a good point with the "it's just our opinions", but then you masqueraded your own very strong opinion as fact. "BW offers more" is an unsubstantiated claim on your part and "fungal growth, neural parasite, etc look terrible" is textbook opinion. Rewind to the part where you let each other be without trying to oppress. You either lack the ability to effectively comprehend my response, or you simply didn`t put in enough effort. "BW offers more" refers to the fundamental differences in gameplay, between the two games, and the consequences of those differences (SCII is constrained in many areas of gameplay), which is fact, not opinion. My opinion on fungal growth, neural parasite, etc... was a direct response to the other poster's assertion - "Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!!," - but completely separate from the main point. In other words, the fact that BW and SCII have fundamental differences, which ultimately result in BW being able to offer "more," is a fact that has been substantiated numerous times, however, whether you prefer to watch BW, or a watered down version of it, is completely up to the individual. Trying to oppress? To the contrary - my last post was: "Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all..." Improve your reading comprehension, and you will not make such misguided/worthless/irrelevant posts in the future. I think what he meant by "unsubstantiated claim" is that you provided no evidence in support of your claim that "BW offers more". By there being fundamental differences in gameplay, it doesn't automatically mean that one game offers more than the other, it just proves they're different. You didn't explain the reasoning behind that claim, that's why it's just seen as an opinion right now. Personally though, I feel they are both equally competent. Maybe I'd be more inclined to be at awe for the stunts pulled off in BW as compared to SC2 but probably because BW is more mechanically demanding on the players with unit control not being the easiest thing to do and not to forget the lack of smart-casting. I think there is an over-fetishizaton and overuse of "mechanics" as the main differentiator between SC2 and BW (and BW fans fall prey to this as well when comparing the two games). Both Starcrafts are strategy games foremost. I don't watch either because I want to see people play UMS micro games or select a bunch of buildings and press hotkeys. I cringe everytime a SC2 caster talks about "macro" games. All games require macro/micro/etc and it is silly to differentiate based on aspects of the game that are a given at the highest level. The reason I prefer BW is b/c tactically and strategically, it is much more developed and deep. SC2 has gotten better over two years, but not as much as hoped in the beginning. The reason why, for example, Bisu's PvZ is so sublime is because his decisions are flawless, his execution crisp, and his thinking prescient. Mechanics/multitask/micro are an ends to a mean, not the end itself.
I get the idea, but I was actually referring to unit control being harder in BW than in SC2. So much so I would be more in awe of a stunt pulled off in BW than if done in SC2. I suppose that qualifies as micro, lol..
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On May 14 2012 03:39 R3demption wrote:
I just want to know if this is going to be broadcasted for people outside of Korea or not. Of course! Just look at TL's right sidebar when the time comes. (omg only 6 days left)
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sigh, I will probably watch all matches of the first day, regardless if it is SC2 or BW.
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On May 14 2012 04:30 fabiano wrote:
I'm not a veteran.
I will follow the SC2 SPL, at least for a while. I expect it to be very boring, but here I am giving yet another chance for SC2 to show me that it can be at least half exciting as BW.
I've given countless chances for SC2, my patience is running low though.
Edit: btw, if BW has to go, then I truly want SC2 to become good, I want to continue watching SKT1 roflstomping KT in every SPL. I want to keep seeing Fantasy TvTs, Bisu winning OSL.
I agree - if BW is completely done for, I truly hope that SC2 can take its place since after all, I LOVE Starcraft. I am horrible @ playing it but watching it over the years (has it really been six years now, damn) has played a huge impact over my life. I would have never known that I would follow Starcraft progamers and their teams face it off in awesome games shown almost on a daily basis. If I knew that BW is in its last phases (as a professional e-sport) then I would never have taken this scene for granted.
The biggest thing that makes me sad is that we will probably never see strategies evolve (especially BW TvZ, damn what a matchup) once the progamers make the switch.
The question is, will SC2 stand the test of time as its predecessor? We'll see.
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A year ago I'd be excited for this. Right now I'm at most just curious. This is the final nail in the coffin for BW. But good luck to all the players in their matches BW and SC2. Go KT Rolster!
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On May 14 2012 04:30 fabiano wrote:
I'm not a veteran.
I will follow the SC2 SPL, at least for a while. I expect it to be very boring, but here I am giving yet another chance for SC2 to show me that it can be at least half exciting as BW.
I've given countless chances for SC2, my patience is running low though.
Edit: btw, if BW has to go, then I truly want SC2 to become good, I want to continue watching SKT1 roflstomping KT in every SPL. I want to keep seeing Fantasy TvTs, Bisu winning OSL.
You do know that Bisu winning OSLs in SC2 will be meaningless, right?
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On May 14 2012 09:57 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 04:30 fabiano wrote:
I'm not a veteran.
I will follow the SC2 SPL, at least for a while. I expect it to be very boring, but here I am giving yet another chance for SC2 to show me that it can be at least half exciting as BW.
I've given countless chances for SC2, my patience is running low though.
Edit: btw, if BW has to go, then I truly want SC2 to become good, I want to continue watching SKT1 roflstomping KT in every SPL. I want to keep seeing Fantasy TvTs, Bisu winning OSL.
You do know that Bisu winning OSLs in SC2 will be meaningless, right?
It would mean a lot to his fans <3
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On May 14 2012 09:57 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 04:30 fabiano wrote:
I'm not a veteran.
I will follow the SC2 SPL, at least for a while. I expect it to be very boring, but here I am giving yet another chance for SC2 to show me that it can be at least half exciting as BW.
I've given countless chances for SC2, my patience is running low though.
Edit: btw, if BW has to go, then I truly want SC2 to become good, I want to continue watching SKT1 roflstomping KT in every SPL. I want to keep seeing Fantasy TvTs, Bisu winning OSL.
You do know that Bisu winning OSLs in SC2 will be meaningless, right?
im sure he'd do anything to get a hold of that trophy.
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deep down inside im hoping this would crash and burn and Kespa would realize their mistake.
i'm just bitter 
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On May 14 2012 00:23 Aazean wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Immediately joined TL the moment I saw this. Quite exciting really, but I can't help but feel that it's a bit unfair to the players though... As much as they may (or may not) enjoy playing SC2 on the side, its quite a challenge to suddenly have such a huge shift like this. Not to mention that from the looks of it, and correct me if I'm mistaken here, you really don't have to win your BW games at all and still win the series? Just seems like too huge shift all of a sudden, especially for the players. =/
On the other hand, I'm really interested to see what comes of this, assuming they shift fully to SC2 after a while. Would be pretty awesome to see more teams participating in team leagues if it gets to that point. The SC2 fan in me definitely approves =D With regards to the following however.... Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 09:46 miercat wrote:On May 13 2012 08:42 urashimakt wrote:On May 13 2012 05:20 miercat wrote:On May 13 2012 05:01 Bareleon wrote:On May 13 2012 03:59 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:38 fabiano wrote:
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Saddening to see people like you who clearly don't know how much better SC2 can be. Only if you knew how epic BW games are... but it's okay, some people are satisfied enough with little. I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! Whether or not someone prefers to watch BW or SCII could be a personal " opinion." However, the fundamental differences between the games, and how these differences impact gameplay, competition, and entertainment, at the highest levels, is fact (essentially SCII is constrained in a number of areas). Whether you prefer it or not, BW at the highest level of competition, just offers "more" of essentially everything that SCII can offer. I have watched a number of Pro SCII matches, over the course of ~1.5 years. I found them dull, lacking, graphically irritating to watch (looks like cartoon, poor unit design, poor overall race graphic design, spells look really bad(e.g. infested terran looks terrible, fungal growth and neural parasite look terrible), all the units clump, etc..... Just the graphics alone make it psychologically painful for me to watch. In terms of gameplay, it is just as bad. It's not even really a case of SCII not being as good as BW - or SCII needing time to catch up, it's more like Pro BW is the most entertaining media ever created, and SCII is fundamentally so bad (in terms of graphics and gameplay- and consequently so limited) that I can't stand watching it. Yes, if you prefer SCII over BW, that is your personal preference, but in that case, you prefer a watered down product, to say the least. Dull? Ofcourse it will be dull for 1.5 years until people starts figuring out stuff. I did try to watch a pro BW match and to me it was more dull than watching a SC2 pro match. A lot of fun units blziz is gonna be adding in HoTS and other stuff too for the races. Gonna be so awesome to watch pro games, even more awesome than WoL. Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all, even if not completely informed. You should just stop. You're being very silly. You two reached a good point with the "it's just our opinions", but then you masqueraded your own very strong opinion as fact. "BW offers more" is an unsubstantiated claim on your part and "fungal growth, neural parasite, etc look terrible" is textbook opinion. Rewind to the part where you let each other be without trying to oppress. You either lack the ability to effectively comprehend my response, or you simply didn`t put in enough effort. "BW offers more" refers to the fundamental differences in gameplay, between the two games, and the consequences of those differences (SCII is constrained in many areas of gameplay), which is fact, not opinion. My opinion on fungal growth, neural parasite, etc... was a direct response to the other poster's assertion - "Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!!," - but completely separate from the main point. In other words, the fact that BW and SCII have fundamental differences, which ultimately result in BW being able to offer "more," is a fact that has been substantiated numerous times, however, whether you prefer to watch BW, or a watered down version of it, is completely up to the individual. Trying to oppress? To the contrary - my last post was: "Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all..." Improve your reading comprehension, and you will not make such misguided/worthless/irrelevant posts in the future. I think what he meant by "unsubstantiated claim" is that you provided no evidence in support of your claim that "BW offers more". By there being fundamental differences in gameplay, it doesn't automatically mean that one game offers more than the other, it just proves they're different. You didn't explain the reasoning behind that claim, that's why it's just seen as an opinion right now. Personally though, I feel they are both equally competent. Maybe I'd be more inclined to be at awe for the stunts pulled off in BW as compared to SC2 but probably because BW is more mechanically demanding on the players with unit control not being the easiest thing to do and not to forget the lack of smart-casting.
I agree on what he meant by "unsubstantiated claim." You are correct that fundamental differences in gameplay does not necessitate that one game offers more than another(this was not my line of reasoning, but for brevity's sake I chose that phrasing), however, in this case it is irrelevant, because BW does offer more, for other more substantial reasons:
I didn't provide the evidence, because by this point, it should be common knowledge, at least to anyone who has basic knowledge of the two games. Additionally, because there is such comprehensive evidence, it would take an excessively long post, to explain something that has been commented on in many places, and at length, specifically on this forum even. So whatever the case may be (lack of reading comprehension, lack of basic research) the other poster is not putting in the effort to make a useful post.
Essentially, you hit upon a couple of the key points (perhaps the most relevant) (micro, mechanics) . Obviously these points are not too difficult to comprehend, except for someone not putting in enough effort.
If I had to say something, to scratch the surface: If you lower the mechanical requirement (automining/MBS/...) and lower the micro requirement (smart casting/AI/clumping units/large unit selection capability/...) what is the consequence, in terms of gameplay/entertainment/competition at the highest level? I can tell that you understand the answer, but the thing is, the other poster should have understood/known already, as well.
The two games are not equally "demanding"(there is certainly evidence for this, do you know?); BW certainly has the capability to offer more, but other than that, I agree with your statements.
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On May 14 2012 11:46 miercat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 00:23 Aazean wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Immediately joined TL the moment I saw this. Quite exciting really, but I can't help but feel that it's a bit unfair to the players though... As much as they may (or may not) enjoy playing SC2 on the side, its quite a challenge to suddenly have such a huge shift like this. Not to mention that from the looks of it, and correct me if I'm mistaken here, you really don't have to win your BW games at all and still win the series? Just seems like too huge shift all of a sudden, especially for the players. =/
On the other hand, I'm really interested to see what comes of this, assuming they shift fully to SC2 after a while. Would be pretty awesome to see more teams participating in team leagues if it gets to that point. The SC2 fan in me definitely approves =D With regards to the following however.... On May 13 2012 09:46 miercat wrote:On May 13 2012 08:42 urashimakt wrote:On May 13 2012 05:20 miercat wrote:On May 13 2012 05:01 Bareleon wrote:On May 13 2012 03:59 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 13:02 Bareleon wrote:On May 12 2012 12:56 miercat wrote:On May 12 2012 12:39 Bareleon wrote:[quote] I am not surprised you would compare a complete game to a non-complete game. People have done it since July 2010. Oh and flash said he enjoys SC2. Whether the game is complete or not is irrelevant. SCII is fundamentally deficient in many, if not all of the categories that make BW such an entertaining spectator sport. You could throw in all the new units you want, balance the races perfectly, but unless the gameplay/game design is completely rebuilt, SCII will always be lacking in key respects. Could SCII be a lot better? - sure. Can it realistically become as good as BW? - not even close. All this is just opinion. I can say SC2 is far better to watch than BW. That will be my opinion. Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!! Whether or not someone prefers to watch BW or SCII could be a personal " opinion." However, the fundamental differences between the games, and how these differences impact gameplay, competition, and entertainment, at the highest levels, is fact (essentially SCII is constrained in a number of areas). Whether you prefer it or not, BW at the highest level of competition, just offers "more" of essentially everything that SCII can offer. I have watched a number of Pro SCII matches, over the course of ~1.5 years. I found them dull, lacking, graphically irritating to watch (looks like cartoon, poor unit design, poor overall race graphic design, spells look really bad(e.g. infested terran looks terrible, fungal growth and neural parasite look terrible), all the units clump, etc..... Just the graphics alone make it psychologically painful for me to watch. In terms of gameplay, it is just as bad. It's not even really a case of SCII not being as good as BW - or SCII needing time to catch up, it's more like Pro BW is the most entertaining media ever created, and SCII is fundamentally so bad (in terms of graphics and gameplay- and consequently so limited) that I can't stand watching it. Yes, if you prefer SCII over BW, that is your personal preference, but in that case, you prefer a watered down product, to say the least. Dull? Ofcourse it will be dull for 1.5 years until people starts figuring out stuff. I did try to watch a pro BW match and to me it was more dull than watching a SC2 pro match. A lot of fun units blziz is gonna be adding in HoTS and other stuff too for the races. Gonna be so awesome to watch pro games, even more awesome than WoL. Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all, even if not completely informed. You should just stop. You're being very silly. You two reached a good point with the "it's just our opinions", but then you masqueraded your own very strong opinion as fact. "BW offers more" is an unsubstantiated claim on your part and "fungal growth, neural parasite, etc look terrible" is textbook opinion. Rewind to the part where you let each other be without trying to oppress. You either lack the ability to effectively comprehend my response, or you simply didn`t put in enough effort. "BW offers more" refers to the fundamental differences in gameplay, between the two games, and the consequences of those differences (SCII is constrained in many areas of gameplay), which is fact, not opinion. My opinion on fungal growth, neural parasite, etc... was a direct response to the other poster's assertion - "Guess you never watched any pro sc2 matches. They are epic! I just watched huk vs sleep (pvz) that was an epic match!!," - but completely separate from the main point. In other words, the fact that BW and SCII have fundamental differences, which ultimately result in BW being able to offer "more," is a fact that has been substantiated numerous times, however, whether you prefer to watch BW, or a watered down version of it, is completely up to the individual. Trying to oppress? To the contrary - my last post was: "Enjoy your watered down product - I'm not begrudging you that. It's a personal choice after all..." Improve your reading comprehension, and you will not make such misguided/worthless/irrelevant posts in the future. I think what he meant by "unsubstantiated claim" is that you provided no evidence in support of your claim that "BW offers more". By there being fundamental differences in gameplay, it doesn't automatically mean that one game offers more than the other, it just proves they're different. You didn't explain the reasoning behind that claim, that's why it's just seen as an opinion right now. Personally though, I feel they are both equally competent. Maybe I'd be more inclined to be at awe for the stunts pulled off in BW as compared to SC2 but probably because BW is more mechanically demanding on the players with unit control not being the easiest thing to do and not to forget the lack of smart-casting. I agree on what he meant by "unsubstantiated claim." I didn't provide the evidence, because by this point, it should be common knowledge, at least to anyone who has basic knowledge of the two games (if you don't have the knowledge, don't comment). Additionally, because there is such comprehensive evidence, it would take an excessively long post, to explain something that has been commented on in many places, and at length, specifically on this forum even. So whatever the case may be (lack of reading comprehension, lack of basic research) the other poster is not putting in the effort to make a useful post. Essentially, you hit upon a couple of the key points (perhaps the most relevant) (micro, mechanics) . Obviously these points are not too difficult to comprehend, except for someone not putting in enough effort. If I had to say something, to scratch the surface: If you lower the mechanical requirement (automining/MBS/...) and lower the micro requirement (smart casting/AI/clumping units/large unit selection capability/...) what is the consequence, in terms of gameplay/entertainment/competition at the highest level? The two games are not equally "demanding"(there is certainly evidence for this do you know?); BW certainly has the capability to offer more, but other than that I agree with your statements.
To simply put, Brood War's units offered excitement in term of micromanagement. In SC2, the units are just plain uninspiring aside from certain circumstances. In BW, you have Reaver-shuttle micro, Storm-Shuttle, Corsair vs Scourge chases, Zealot bombs, Carrior on ledge micro, DT penetration. And that is only speaking of one single race. In StarCraft 2, Protoss only have the Stalker micro thing going on for the race while all other roles of plays are watered down.
Now with the incoming of HotS, I really do wish with the bottom of my heart that Dustin B. would exclude all prosaic unit out of the game and replace them with the intensity factor.
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On May 14 2012 03:39 R3demption wrote:
Ugh all this hate is hard to wade through.. I just want to know if this is going to be broadcasted for people outside of Korea or not.
But seriously, people come onto these forums looking for a fight, from both sides... BW and SC 2. Its annoying how there is two sides anyways... Its only going to divide us in the end. Can't we all just get along?
it's kinda like... sc2 fans just received one of those boxes that one gets in December, and for each day you eat a chocolate that counts down the days until Christmas: like this one- + Show Spoiler +https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=christmas+countdown+chocolate+calendar&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1333&bih=733&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=f3uwT9vWDI3XiQKcy5SWBA
first couple pics
and for BW fans it's quite the opposite, like instead of eating a chocolate each day and being excited for the celebration of Christ and our eternal salvation, we get kicked in the balls each day and await impending doom
So of course sc2 fans are happy and celebrating, while BW fans are pissed off. It befuddles me why the newcomers on TL can't see why we would be pissed.
EDIT: link didn't work, put new one
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I for one will be looking forward to this, it will be amazing as always. On a site note, I think the mods of TL must be really hard hitting in the LR threads once the proleague starts. any argument between SC:BW and SC2 should be like instant ban for 5 days. The possibility for the thread getting completely derailed could get very high otherwise.
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I really don't like SC2, and I gave it a really good chance, but for some reason I'm really excited anyway.
We will get a ton of new viewers checking out BW (hopefully Blizzard SC2 designers too, I'm looking at you Dustin  ).
At the same time, we can see our favorite pros trying out a new game.
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Russian Federation3339 Posts
I can deal with the change (a bit... but i feel my heart leaving this scene... ) but one thing irks me terribly... korean version of starcraft? I thought it was understood and agreed upon that they'd use the English version... that utterly sucks for me (i'm korean too but I would have preferred English over Korean any day)
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Slightly off topic, but I didn't think this deserved it own thread:
I played quite a bit of BW, but I never quite understood at what point the devourer becomes useful. I've read the wiki on it, but the unit felt so bulky and shot so slow that it just seemed like waste. I understand maybe a couple of them, but science vessels for example have more of a usefull role then they do. Or am I way off?
(For the record I was never uber competitive in traditional BW, though I did play. I sunk most of my hours in UMS or Custom games.)
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On May 14 2012 13:49 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Slightly off topic, but I didn't think this deserved it own thread:
I played quite a bit of BW, but I never quite understood at what point the devourer becomes useful. I've read the wiki on it, but the unit felt so bulky and shot so slow that it just seemed like waste. I understand maybe a couple of them, but science vessels for example have more of a usefull role then they do. Or am I way off?
(For the record I was never uber competitive in traditional BW, though I did play. I sunk most of my hours in UMS or Custom games.)
you could as in the simple questions simple answers thread
well, for one, their spores slow the attack speed of other air units too when stacked. they have a lot of hp too so they dont go down easily
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