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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On February 15 2012 13:10 Game wrote: I really only know things from 98-00 and 05-06 progamer wise. Although, from 98-00 most of it is about irrelevant non-Koreans who were the first pros, or potentially could've been. That doesn't mean we don't want to hear your stories.  They sound interesting! | ||
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PetitCrabe
Canada410 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
If you could micro your scarab. It is a physical unit after all. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On February 15 2012 13:26 PetitCrabe wrote: That is extremely interesting to know. For some stupid reason, I always thought they were just badly programmed and blizzard decided to leave them like that. I didn't know they were intentionally stupid from the beginning. It is something of a concept, making something more difficult to use as opposed to just lowering it's damage. Reavers are a glorious unit. Viable in all match-ups, always powerful, yet they are arguably the most temperamental unit in the game. That doesn't really happen anymore. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3339 Posts
On February 15 2012 11:50 sluggaslamoo wrote: Sometimes though scarabs will completely miss their target and fly into open space and blow up. Its pretty funny. Or we have masterful Bisu reavers, whose scarabs go crazy... (i know there was one game where a scarab bugged over terrain, but i'll have to find it... for now, this will do~ :D) Classic example of dud upon dud... | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
On February 15 2012 13:12 Mortality wrote: Wait, you just noticed this? But TBH, this is also one of the good things about SC. Yes, it's true that no matter how good you get your reavers will still do stupid things, but if you look at the elite users of reavers throughout history dating all the way back to Zileas, it's always been said that their reavers were "different." Somehow they bug less frequently and score big kills more often. Reavers are a unit that require huge star sense, similar to muta vs scourge except even higher. In other words, this is yet another case of Starcraft favoring the better player who practices harder to perfect his usage of a unit. I wanted to make a post about this and I agree. Stupid reaver AI making BW a more exciting game and creating a broader skill range is but one reason why BW is BW today. If every soccer player was given the ability to laser the ball into the net with the help of a computer, or if every soccer player was given the ability to run at 30 mph equally, who would want to watch soccer anymore when things start to become standardized? Same goes for competitive gaming. | ||
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Jragon
Australia1471 Posts
On February 15 2012 11:23 sluggaslamoo wrote: Even though its actually the coolest nerf to a unit I've ever seen. Agreed, lobotomy as nerf haha | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
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.ImchEEzy
Canada123 Posts
On February 15 2012 11:13 FlaShFTW wrote: They were originally too good with their ai. think of it, then everyone would go for reavers and kill like a billion scvs. so blizzard nerfed the ai of it so it would become "retarded" and have "dud" scarabs. fun fact: did you know boxer loved reavers that he was protoss back in the day? then blizzard nerfed the reaver so boxer became the famous terran dropship maniac today. epic fun fact | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
A lot of things seem like they are random but they're not. Elite players are elite for a reason. | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
On February 15 2012 14:32 Jragon wrote: More stories from ye olde days of BW please Game! Fun fact #3: Maynard, whom I shared a relationship with outside of what is coming next, believed the strongest early game build would cover any lategame mishaps, and 2facted everybody. Not only did he go for early pushes, but he copied a lot of players, he was one of the first voyeurs of his time. Two things resulted from this, as he was a prominent 2v2 player of his time, the "cheesy" metagame of 2v2 (not fully to credit him with obviously), and the East mentality. He is one of the original founders, or rather, he had enough notoriety and was good enough to be taken seriously with his attitude, aka the USEast mentality. The BM, squandering of opponents, and super gay gameplay alike defined this. + Show Spoiler + Do note that most gameplay was cheesy and not well planned at this point in BW anyhow, he just took it to an entirely different level | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On February 15 2012 14:48 Game wrote: Fun fact #3: Maynard, whom I shared a relationship with outside of what is coming next, believed the strongest early game build would cover any lategame mishaps, and 2facted everybody. Not only did he go for early pushes, but he copied a lot of players, he was one of the first voyeurs of his time. Two things resulted from this, as he was a prominent 2v2 player of his time, the "cheesy" metagame of 2v2 (not fully to credit him with obviously), and the East mentality. He is one of the original founders, or rather, he had enough notoriety and was good enough to be taken seriously with his attitude, aka the USEast mentality. The BM, squandering of opponents, and super gay gameplay alike defined this. + Show Spoiler + Do note that most gameplay was cheesy and not well planned at this point in BW anyhow, he just took it to an entirely different level I was expecting worse, especially back then 2 fact can't have been that bad. Although interesting because I originally assumed he was the master of macro. | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37085 Posts
On February 15 2012 11:13 FlaShFTW wrote: They were originally too good with their ai. think of it, then everyone would go for reavers and kill like a billion scvs. so blizzard nerfed the ai of it so it would become "retarded" and have "dud" scarabs. fun fact: did you know boxer loved reavers that he was protoss back in the day? then blizzard nerfed the reaver so boxer became the famous terran dropship maniac today. This fun fact needs to be highlighted/thrown into his fan club. What a baller BoxeR is | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
On February 15 2012 11:13 FlaShFTW wrote: They were originally too good with their ai. think of it, then everyone would go for reavers and kill like a billion scvs. so blizzard nerfed the ai of it so it would become "retarded" and have "dud" scarabs. fun fact: did you know boxer loved reavers that he was protoss back in the day? then blizzard nerfed the reaver so boxer became the famous terran dropship maniac today. Just to clarify, blizz didn't make the reaver ai more stupid, they just changed the cooldown of reavers that were dropped from shuttles. Originally they were zero, like tanks that shoot when dropped. So if you hotkeyed your reaver you could instantly pop it back in and make it look like your shuttle was firing scarabs. This was incredibly overpowered. Then boxer switched to terran and the rest is history. | ||
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
Also if you issue the stop command for the Reaver while the scarab is out on the field, the scarab will instantly dud and explode. Useful if the scarab is acting retarded and just bugging out around some terrain/building, and you want to refire right away. I just love all the awesome intricacies that BW has, really gives the game so much depth and skill differentiation :D On February 15 2012 14:39 figq wrote: The problem I have with this is that it's way too "random" than "difficult". PvP in particular, often seems to me particularly random even at the highest level. I disagree with this notion, PvP is one of my favorite matchups, which I find to be largely determined by skill. The only "randomness" occurs with builds, which is mostly build advantages and disadvantages, instead of outright build victories and losses. If you're smart and good at mindgaming/reading your opponent, you can achieve a very high winrate in PvP (I feel that Brave and Horang2 in particular are very good at the psychology part of PvP) | ||
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
ok i got ninjad but idk how O_O the reason the reaver and scarab AI (which are different) is bad, is because it was made bad. they probably have some sort of "min step amount" that means they can't turn fast. + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2012 15:31 pyrogenetix wrote: Just to clarify, blizz didn't make the reaver ai more stupid, they just changed the cooldown of reavers that were dropped from shuttles. Originally they were zero, like tanks that shoot when dropped. So if you hotkeyed your reaver you could instantly pop it back in and make it look like your shuttle was firing scarabs. This was incredibly overpowered. Then boxer switched to terran and the rest is history. This guy is right. | ||
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gladsheim
Australia676 Posts
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Game
3191 Posts
On February 15 2012 15:44 gladsheim wrote: there should be an upgrade at the support bay called 'reaver brain' Cost: over 9000 | ||
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