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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
December 20 2011 04:23 GMT
#61
IMO, Ace's coach deserves best.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
December 20 2011 04:25 GMT
#62
Thanks for this, gonna vote asap.
Indeed Protoss of the year is a really difficult question... It would actually be easier if Jangbi had slumped right after his OSL title, but except that stupid 2gate against EffOrt, he won everything else.
ॐ
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
December 20 2011 04:50 GMT
#63
No way fantasy's getting best terran, flash will get best terran and best player. 74% vs 62% win rates for the year and similar achievements. If fantasy was close then he'd have been fielded in the proleague final ahead of best.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
December 20 2011 05:12 GMT
#64
Can we vote Fighting Spirit as the best map again? Is there a write in? :p
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
December 20 2011 05:48 GMT
#65
IMO, my take on best Protoss of the year is that Bisu put his heart and soul into practicing for Proleague throughout the entire year, getting extremely unlucky in the individuals, whereas Jangbi dicked around for about 5-6 months, and then managed to pull through a miracle OSL victory, while still doing fairly mediocre at PL.

I give Jangbi 60-40 odds for winning the best Protoss award, since historically there's been a stronger emphasis on individual league performance for the award .. but with the gradual shift in emphasis of importance towards Proleague, it could be different than thought.
Writerptrk
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
December 20 2011 06:02 GMT
#66
Stork not in Protoss of the Year. What a joke.
웅진 멘쓰즈
WTFTerran
Profile Joined November 2011
Russian Federation286 Posts
December 20 2011 06:03 GMT
#67
rookie: sun
protoss: jangbi
terran: fantasy
zerg: hydra
coach: kt

best player: BOGUS!!
Bogus, MKP, Bomber FTW!
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
December 20 2011 06:38 GMT
#68
On December 20 2011 15:02 doothegee wrote:
Stork not in Protoss of the Year. What a joke.


Because he was so STRONG in the last year, wasn't he?
1a2a3aPro
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada227 Posts
December 20 2011 07:59 GMT
#69
Rookie of the Year: Sun, by a wide margin.
Best map: Circuit Breaker, decent margin.
Protoss of the Year: Bisu, by a very narrow margin. (Vote for consistency through whole year)
Terran of the Year: Flash. Fantasy second.
Zerg of the Year: Jaedong, by a small margin. Hydra second.
Best Coach: Coach Park, good margin.
Best Proleague Team: SKT1
Best Player: Flash
Friendship Award: What the heck is this?
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 09:21:09
December 20 2011 09:20 GMT
#70
The awards should go to: Flash, Bisu, Jaedong. These guys own, even though Jaedong didn't own as much this year as he used to and Bisu failed in the individual leagues. Bisus PL record is beyond impressive.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Ubersturmfuhrer
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland206 Posts
December 20 2011 12:05 GMT
#71
I think it should be Jaedong over Hydra. Looking at this year's statistics from tlpd, they both had around the same winning percentage of 63-64. However about half of Jaedong's losses came from the most volatile matchup in BW: ZvZ. Losing half of your games in ZvZ is more excusable than losing so in another matchup.

Hydra had sub 50% winning rate in ZvT and over 70% in ZvZ. I think you could argue that his MSL victory was partly due to having all Zerg semis. Going further, out of his 88 played so far this year, he's faced zerg 40 times, that is almost half of the games. It is impressive to have such a high win% in ZvZ but I find Jaedong's ZvT even more impressive. And he continuously beat the final boss Flash.

I'm a JD fanboy so maybe I'm a bit biased here... and I know I should consider ZvP for both too (hydra went 74%) but meh :x
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
December 20 2011 12:23 GMT
#72
Have you seen Hydra's Muta micro in that run? It was beyond ridiculous.

It's been a while (probably since EffOrt or Action vs Flash that a Zerg made me go "oh wow" repeteadly during a game.
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hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
December 20 2011 12:36 GMT
#73
On December 20 2011 21:05 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote:
I think it should be Jaedong over Hydra. Looking at this year's statistics from tlpd, they both had around the same winning percentage of 63-64. However about half of Jaedong's losses came from the most volatile matchup in BW: ZvZ. Losing half of your games in ZvZ is more excusable than losing so in another matchup.

Hydra had sub 50% winning rate in ZvT and over 70% in ZvZ. I think you could argue that his MSL victory was partly due to having all Zerg semis. Going further, out of his 88 played so far this year, he's faced zerg 40 times, that is almost half of the games. It is impressive to have such a high win% in ZvZ but I find Jaedong's ZvT even more impressive. And he continuously beat the final boss Flash.

I'm a JD fanboy so maybe I'm a bit biased here... and I know I should consider ZvP for both too (hydra went 74%) but meh :x


Are you arguing that some matchups are more important than others? If so, allow me to retort.

Bullshit.

Same winning percentages + not same individual league performances. It's not that hard.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
December 20 2011 12:53 GMT
#74
Flash should obviously win the best terran and player of the year award . Protoss player JangBi or Bisu and Zerg Hydra .
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
December 20 2011 13:34 GMT
#75
Rookie: By.Sun, its kind of been expected that he'd win for awhile now. Don't see any change to that.

Protoss: Bisu.. 63 PL WINS, breaking Flash's old record. No one will ever break it with the new format. Also, JangBi sucked for 90% of 2011 and kind of lucked his way into the OSL finals where he did boss-mode it, but that was it. Bisu's 63 pl wins was consistent throughout the year.

Terran: Flash, similar reasons to Bisu. Although Fantasy made the 2 consecutive OSL finals (winning one), Flash carried his team through the PL and to a PL championship. Not to mention the MSL win which got him his golden badge.

Zerg: Hydra. I wanna say Hydra had the better or comparable PL record to the Dong, while being more successful in individual leagues.

Best Coach: Lee Ji Hoon, getting KT to the PL finals despite managing Flash's injury, etc.

Best Team: Overall team, I'd say SKT1. They went undefeated in R1, won Winner's League, and went to the grand finals.

Best Player: Flash. Flash's individual league accolades and overall PL win trumps Bisu.

Friendship Award: No effing clue, lol

Most Popular Player: Bisu ? or someone from TBLS
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
December 20 2011 13:40 GMT
#76
On December 19 2011 19:50 ppshchik wrote:
T: Fantasy- Flash was godlike in 2010 but hasn't made it into 2 OSL finals this year, which Fantasy did.
P: Jangbi-WInning an OSL is way more impressive than Bisu's achievements imo. But Bisu is still going to win since he's more handsome.
Z: Jaedong-His ZvZ has slumped this year which knocked him out in many important tournaments. But his ZvT and ZvP still blow Hydra and Zero out of the water.


so biased?
terran will be without question flash, who led his team to victory in SPL grand finals
and as much as i want jaedong to win for zerg, its really hard to call among the 3 candidates
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 14:00:38
December 20 2011 13:59 GMT
#77
Jaedong for the most popular award!
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
December 20 2011 16:06 GMT
#78
On December 20 2011 15:02 doothegee wrote:
Stork not in Protoss of the Year. What a joke.


Probably because he hasn't really done anything this year. 0-3'd in the OSL final, knocked out of Ro16 0-3 in the following one, and average results in PL. I love Stork to death, but there's no way to justify putting him in over Bisu, Jangbi, or even Stats, who at least was crucial in KT's PL victory.
Writer:o
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
December 20 2011 16:10 GMT
#79
Sun, Jangbi, Flash, Jaedong? (maybe Zero) This year seems pretty obvious
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
December 20 2011 19:18 GMT
#80
On December 21 2011 01:06 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 15:02 doothegee wrote:
Stork not in Protoss of the Year. What a joke.


Probably because he hasn't really done anything this year. 0-3'd in the OSL final, knocked out of Ro16 0-3 in the following one, and average results in PL. I love Stork to death, but there's no way to justify putting him in over Bisu, Jangbi, or even Stats, who at least was crucial in KT's PL victory.


Shinhan Proleague Season 2010/2011

Stats: 42 wins 26 losses, team finishes 3rd
Stork: 40 wins 29 losses, team finishes 5th

Shinhan Proleague Season 2010/2011 Post-Season

Stats: 6 wins 3 losses, team finishes 1st
Stork: 3 wins 0 losses, team knocked out of RO6

Individual leagues

Stats: No appearances
Stork: Round of eight, 2nd place finish, round of 16, round of 16

I don't see how Stats was the better player than Stork besides having Flash on his team. There was no protoss that got respectable results in all competitions. Stork was the most constant force for the protoss race in the individual leagues, as well as being one of the best out of his race in the Proleague. A solid all-round performance that lacked bite. A mediocre effort? Perhaps, but no other protoss can claim to having a solid all-round performance like Stork did this year.

Of course it's upto the players to etch their performances into the viewer's mind with trophies and memorable performances, and that's what makes the difference in these awards. Stork's results are harder to glorify than Bisu's or Jangb's, but he doesn't have the glaring weaknesses in their resumes either. Stork was the best player for his team, as well as the best player of his own race in the individual leagues overall. That's something no protoss can boast. Awards are something that reminds and sums up the year to the average viewer of the memorable players and their performances.

We, as die-hard E-Sports fans, should be ashamed if we allow such awards to cloud our judgements when we should all know better. Stork was by far the superior player to Stats this year, and if no one is there to remember that, we'll all be brainwashed by a glamour and glitz of these awards.
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