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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
On October 20 2011 13:54 aztrorisk wrote: I'm sorry, I love SC2 and I play SC2 more than BW (I'm not even a hard core BW fan) but I have to say, that I don't see SC2 becomething that popular in Korea because of the horrible unit designs. Especially the collosus. The horrible unit designs makes it less of an entertaining sport to watch than BW. Lol, so you're saying you dont see it becoming an entertaining sport cuz you dont like the design of some units? Well i must say, i think the scout on bw sucked ass, same with queen and valky, and that didnt stop bw from becoming huge. Your point is ridiculous. | ||
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Gann1
United States1578 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
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rift
1819 Posts
On October 20 2011 13:59 ZeroCartin wrote: Lol, so you're saying you dont see it becoming an entertaining sport cuz you dont like the design of some units? Well i must say, i think the scout on bw sucked ass, same with queen and valky, and that didnt stop bw from becoming huge. Your point is ridiculous. Those aren't used much, though the queen makes for very exciting moments and the valkyrie has its place. Marauders and colossi are used all the time, among others. | ||
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mansa
Philippines336 Posts
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trikshun
United States437 Posts
On October 20 2011 13:59 ZeroCartin wrote: Lol, so you're saying you dont see it becoming an entertaining sport cuz you dont like the design of some units? Well i must say, i think the scout on bw sucked ass, same with queen and valky, and that didnt stop bw from becoming huge. Your point is ridiculous. I doubt SC2 will be huge in Korea. BW takes 10x more skill than SC2 and people are use to watching high level play. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
Let's say a few years or more from now, Kespa drops BW and go's with solely SC2. Will the BW elitist that say SC2 is for idiots/boring game/bad design/no skill, decide to start watching or will you just stick with BW VoD's because SC2 is soo unbearable | ||
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Ideas
United States8182 Posts
On October 20 2011 14:27 Za7oX wrote: Not trying to troll. Just an honest question Let's say a few years or more from now, Kespa drops BW and go's with souly SC2. Will the BW elitist that say SC2 is for idiots/boring game/bad design/no skill, decide to start watching or will you just stick with BW VoD's because SC2 is soo unbearable if bw dies i will not watch any esport anymore unless the expansions make SC2 like 10x better lol | ||
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Pelopidas
Canada225 Posts
On October 20 2011 07:48 Captain Peabody wrote: Are you kidding me? You're actually trying to pretend that it's BLIZZARD that is creating the Western e-sports scene, that they're just 'astroturfing' a fake scene? Blizzard has barely been keeping up with things; it's been the many, many sponsors, the many dedicated fans, and the many dedicated community figures like Day9, Artosis, Tasteless, Husky, and the like, who have built and continue to build the modern SC2 e-sports scene. Blizzard has barely lifted a finger. Now, with the Korean scene, you at least have a digit to stand on, since Blizzard seems to have subsidized GOM, at least at first; but even there, GOM has done 95% of the work, and the fans and the players have worked and dedicated their hearts out to make it successful. See, this is where I get a little bit angry. I don't mind when BW fans (among which I definitely count myself) say that BW is a better game than SC2. I don't really mind (though I think it's stupid and wrong) when they say that Blizzard is greedy and doesn't care about e-sports. But when you go and insult the sweat, passion, hard work, and dedication of millions of fans, players, casters, sponsors, and organizers...well, kark that. If this is what it means to support BW, then you can count me out. I enjoy both games. If you don't like one, then fine, don't watch it. But don't you dare slander the fans on the other side. That goes for you too, "I want BW to die" people. Without Blizzard pumping money into GOM, SC2 would be no where near it is today. It would have been very difficult to operate a high profile tournament in Korea with SC2s poor reception. With many pros no longer able to compete in the increasingly competitive world of Brood War, a large prize pool, and an easier game would obviously draw converts regardless of actual game quality or watchability. Without Blizzard's infusion into the GSL, SC2 would not be where it is today in the foreigner scene. The GSL is the worlds most high profile SC2 tournament, and believe it or not very foreigner oriented, with its English casts, and its foreigner players. It also provides a great deal of prestige, with its Starleague like atmosphere and the image of professionalism to the SC2 scene as a whole. Without the GSL being kept on life support by Blizzard, SC2 would never have achieved any type of prime time atmosphere, it would remain one game among many. Another Dawn of War, or LoL to be played at marathon Lans with low level players who never push its boundaries to any extent, if those boundaries are even capable of being pushed. Aside from GOM, we can't forget NASL, its large prize pool and its mystery sponsor (Blizzard). Without GSL, its adequate but not extraordinary pros, and the prestige that comes with being a "genuine" Korean eSport, there is absolutely no way that there could be any challenge to Brood War's throne, or even a foreigner scene with any degree of sustainability. To their credit, Blizzard did a good job at marketing SC2. The name of Starcraft, carrying with it fond memories of Brood War from a decade ago would have been enough for reasonable success. Add in a highly hyped beta, with people hungry for any scraps of media, a game years in development, compounded with faint whisperings of a pro scene populated with mystical Koreans, and a foreign community eager for the glory denied to them by the invincible robotic koreans, and tournaments were bound to crop up. Sponsors would be eager to cash in on the prestige of a game called Starcraft regardless of its actual quality. With even the Koreans coming on board with the Blizzard spawned GSL, why wouldn't fans jump on the bandwagon. It doesn't matter if they don't know who Jangbi and Hydra are, ZergBong, and Iron are just as good right? I hear they played Flash in practice once that obviously makes them Starleague material. | ||
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Voidsoul
Germany154 Posts
On October 20 2011 14:27 Za7oX wrote: Not trying to troll. Just an honest question Let's say a few years or more from now, Kespa drops BW and go's with solely SC2. Will the BW elitist that say SC2 is for idiots/boring game/bad design/no skill, decide to start watching or will you just stick with BW VoD's because SC2 is soo unbearable I try watching SC2 quite regularly and I still hate it. So I will stick to VoDs if that should happen (which I don't think/hope). Reliving the good old days... | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Cmon Kespa, get off your arses and work for SC2! (Should add bureaucratic arses, remembering their role in the only tournament in Korea to not have a single Korean in) | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On October 20 2011 14:05 trikshun wrote: I doubt SC2 will be huge in Korea. BW takes 10x more skill than SC2 and people are use to watching high level play. Its troll-bait posts like these that get SC2 fanboys making their own troll posts. If you don't want to deal with SC2 crap, don't go throwing out fighting words like this. Part of me thinks there is a part of BW forum community that actually likes these kinds of fights..... | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
On October 20 2011 14:44 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: Its troll-bait posts like these that get SC2 fanboys making their own troll posts. If you don't want to deal with SC2 crap, don't go throwing out fighting words like this. Part of me thinks there is a part of BW forum community that actually likes these kinds of fights..... I fail to see how arguing about something is being a troll, or how I am an sc2 fanboy. Im stating the fact that "horrible unit design" (which btw is entirely a view of a person, not a fact) is not a reason for Starcraft becoming big or not. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On October 20 2011 14:53 ZeroCartin wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 20 2011 14:44 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: Its troll-bait posts like these that get SC2 fanboys making their own troll posts. If you don't want to deal with SC2 crap, don't go throwing out fighting words like this. Part of me thinks there is a part of BW forum community that actually likes these kinds of fights..... I fail to see how arguing about something is being a troll, or how I am an sc2 fanboy. Im stating the fact that "horrible unit design" (which btw is entirely a view of a person, not a fact) is not a reason for Starcraft becoming big or not. He was referring to trikshun, not you. I doubt SC2 will be huge in Korea. BW takes 10x more skill than SC2 and people are use to watching high level play. Troll bait indeed. | ||
hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
Not sure how it works in Korea but I always felt like most foreign BW fans were always serious players or former serious players. Even during TSL2. Which is a shame because as someone who barely ever plays BW I think it's a ton of fun to watch. In many ways it's easier to watch than SC2 since so many situations come down to good unit control where the players' skill is obvious even to the casual observer. I'm sure someone who plays a lot gets more out of the game but you almost never get the feeling the 80% of the game was played off the screen unaccessible for you. With SC2 there's too often a feeling that most of the game came down to subtleties in strategy that only make sense if you know the game very well. | ||
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Fushin
France193 Posts
It would mean the beginning of the end for BW, plus we're not even sure it would be better than GSL. Seriously you have SC2 tournament everyday, plus gsl most of the time, and several other major tournaments. I don't care for one more SC2 tournament, but i care for the last BW resistance. I like sc2 and all, but i want to keep watching bw. Really sucks. | ||
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Reasonable
Ukraine1432 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On October 20 2011 15:09 Fushin wrote: How is that good news ? It would mean the beginning of the end for BW, plus we're not even sure it would be better than GSL. Seriously you have SC2 tournament everyday, plus gsl most of the time, and several other major tournaments. I don't care for one more SC2 tournament, but i care for the last BW resistance. I like sc2 and all, but i want to keep watching bw. Really sucks. It will also expose SC2 fans to BW and maybe widen the foreign fanbase. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On October 20 2011 15:09 Fushin wrote: How is that good news ? It would mean the beginning of the end for BW, plus we're not even sure it would be better than GSL. Seriously you have SC2 tournament everyday, plus gsl most of the time, and several other major tournaments. I don't care for one more SC2 tournament, but i care for the last BW resistance. I like sc2 and all, but i want to keep watching bw. Really sucks. This comes up every second page. Why does SC2 having a Proleague mean the death of BW? If BW is so great (I love it BTW), then the people that leave for SC2 are bad fans anyway. If it is great, then why would intelligent SC2 fans not take an interest in BW? Surely there is scope for movement both ways? Surely BW can grow from SC2 as well? In short why does SC2 mean the death of BW? | ||
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