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ChriS-X
Malaysia1374 Posts
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djbhINDI
United States372 Posts
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On October 20 2011 09:25 baubo wrote: SC1 will keep its prime-time slots, as it's obviously the most popular spectator e-sport in Korea. SC2 will play 2nd banana for now while OGN gauge its ratings. The future of both sports will depend, again, on ratings. If OGN and Kespa find more money in SC2, they'll switch. But before then, BW is still the cash cow. Even a diminishing BW scene is much larger than SC2 right now. ... if BW fails too quickly, the transition to SC2 from fans may not happen in South Korea. But if SC2 is given time to get tweaked and become stable(perhaps after all 3 games have been released), then it could be a smooth transition from BW to SC2. | ||
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chogoling
Australia173 Posts
On October 20 2011 15:15 djbhINDI wrote: I just don't think this is going to turn out well. How will Proleague be? SC and then SC2 teams? It seems there will be a lot of logistics issues, as well as half the crowd changing between the different sports. Ofc, I don't know how big the SC2 scene in Korea is. It will probably work the same way the Special Force proleague works and there aren't many issues with that. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On October 20 2011 14:35 Pelopidas wrote: Without Blizzard pumping money into GOM, SC2 would be no where near it is today. It would have been very difficult to operate a high profile tournament in Korea with SC2s poor reception. With many pros no longer able to compete in the increasingly competitive world of Brood War, a large prize pool, and an easier game would obviously draw converts regardless of actual game quality or watchability. Without Blizzard's infusion into the GSL, SC2 would not be where it is today in the foreigner scene. The GSL is the worlds most high profile SC2 tournament, and believe it or not very foreigner oriented, with its English casts, and its foreigner players. It also provides a great deal of prestige, with its Starleague like atmosphere and the image of professionalism to the SC2 scene as a whole. Without the GSL being kept on life support by Blizzard, SC2 would never have achieved any type of prime time atmosphere, it would remain one game among many. Another Dawn of War, or LoL to be played at marathon Lans with low level players who never push its boundaries to any extent, if those boundaries are even capable of being pushed. Aside from GOM, we can't forget NASL, its large prize pool and its mystery sponsor (Blizzard). Without GSL, its adequate but not extraordinary pros, and the prestige that comes with being a "genuine" Korean eSport, there is absolutely no way that there could be any challenge to Brood War's throne, or even a foreigner scene with any degree of sustainability. To their credit, Blizzard did a good job at marketing SC2. The name of Starcraft, carrying with it fond memories of Brood War from a decade ago would have been enough for reasonable success. Add in a highly hyped beta, with people hungry for any scraps of media, a game years in development, compounded with faint whisperings of a pro scene populated with mystical Koreans, and a foreign community eager for the glory denied to them by the invincible robotic koreans, and tournaments were bound to crop up. Sponsors would be eager to cash in on the prestige of a game called Starcraft regardless of its actual quality. With even the Koreans coming on board with the Blizzard spawned GSL, why wouldn't fans jump on the bandwagon. It doesn't matter if they don't know who Jangbi and Hydra are, ZergBong, and Iron are just as good right? I hear they played Flash in practice once that obviously makes them Starleague material. You say that in a derogatory fashion. Nothing can be detached from its circumstances. For example, had StarCraft: Brood War's popularity not coincided with the Asian financial crisis, Brood War might never have achieved any type of prime time atmosphere, it too could have remained one game among many. It sounds like you are blaming StarCraft II for achieving by design what Brood War achieved by chance. Which is something I don't quite understand. Is it not the results that matter? | ||
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Chargelot
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thepuppyassassin
900 Posts
"Nuh-uh" said Flash. "That's way too much money for a nub" called up Kespa and was like "Hey, it's me... You know why I'm calling... Take care of it." | ||
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Jacopana
El Salvador210 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
They just hear their names on SOTG and think that they're good players who will be awesome at SC2. That's all they care about, they don't even bother to watch them in their natural setting. | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On October 20 2011 14:27 Za7oX wrote: Not trying to troll. Just an honest question Let's say a few years or more from now, Kespa drops BW and go's with solely SC2. Will the BW elitist that say SC2 is for idiots/boring game/bad design/no skill, decide to start watching or will you just stick with BW VoD's because SC2 is soo unbearable I'd go down with the ship (as in I'd stop watching pro gaming, as BW is the only game I like to watch anyway. Maybe dota 2? idk) | ||
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thepuppyassassin
900 Posts
On October 20 2011 16:18 Gamegene wrote: rofl people thinking A teamers and top players like Flash are going to play. They just hear their names on SOTG and think that they're good players who will be awesome at SC2. That's all they care about, they don't even bother to watch them in their natural setting. Too true. I think most A teamers migrated from the Galapagos Islands. | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1613 Posts
 MVP, GanZi,  ZergBong, Iron, SaiR and the others will return to BW? | ||
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ProxyResearch
Poland16 Posts
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On October 20 2011 16:31 Jenia6109 wrote: So, does this news mean that MVP, GanZi, ZergBong, Iron, SaiR and the others will return to BW?I couldn't imagine that it's likely. They've all gone a very far way in SC2, and I feel like you have to pick one and dedicate yourself. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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mansa
Philippines336 Posts
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FuRRyChoBo
United States218 Posts
On October 20 2011 16:31 Jenia6109 wrote: So, does this news mean that MVP, GanZi, ZergBong, Iron, SaiR and the others will return to BW?They might play for fun, but BW is so much more mechanically demanding than SC2 that I doubt prolonged exposure to an "easier" game would result in them having solid mechanics for BW. I don't mean to start an argument over the games by saying that; just pointing obvious things like limited unit selection, requiring selection of individual units to cast spells individually, etc. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On October 20 2011 16:38 FuRRyChoBo wrote: They might play for fun, but BW is so much more mechanically demanding than SC2 that I doubt prolonged exposure to an "easier" game would result in them having solid mechanics for BW. I don't mean to start an argument over the games by saying that; just pointing obvious things like limited unit selection, requiring selection of individual units to cast spells individually, etc. It's different than you're portraying it. In BW you have to perform complex actions using a very limited system. Imagine trying to drive a car which had half of a steering wheel and only one awkwardly combined gas and brake pedal. Driving that car professionally would be very difficult. In SC2, you have to perform equally as complex actions using a very available system. Perhaps too many options exist. Imagine driving a car with 3 steering wheels which operated independently of each other and all had unique and necessary uses. They both require an extreme amount of skill at the top levels, while SC2 simply allows for an easier time in the bottom levels. BW was extremely difficult for low level players, and moving up in your ranking meant a lot more. But at the end of the day, the top 5% of each are on an almost equal level, I would like to think. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On October 20 2011 16:31 Jenia6109 wrote: So, does this news mean that MVP, GanZi, ZergBong, Iron, SaiR and the others will return to BW?Highly doubt so, and it's for the very same reason why the established giants in BW won't switch over. They're having so much success in whatever they're doing now, there is no incentive to switch. | ||
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