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LiOn
Austria239 Posts
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Syth
36 Posts
On October 20 2011 17:27 ladyumbra wrote: Having read the whole thread now I find it somewhat distressing how divided the community is. I feel like I'm doing it wrong somehow by loving both games. I respect and appreciate each game for what it is and what it is not, perhaps because I think of them as separate but related games and I can take each on it's own merit. I like to think I found SC2 by chance so I could stumble onto BW by fate. I honestly think that there is a higher chance of good coming from this than bad but it's impossible to know unless a deal is struck and solid details emerge. You're not alone.  I have an entire group of friends who I used to play BW with, and we all love playing SC2 now but we still love watching BW. The TL BW section doesn't and never will have everybody who loves BW posting in it just as the SC2 section never will. The vocal minority never represent the opinion of the masses. I'm sure there are plenty of people who love both out there. Its like watching the news. You hear so much garbage you can forget that the world is a pretty awesome place. You hear so many people bashing SC2 or bashing BW you don't realise theres probably a thousands more who love them for a single whiner. | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
On October 20 2011 17:45 Chargelot wrote: You don't compare to the top 5% of either. Your experience is invalid. Have a nice day.Your reasoning about the top 5 % being on the same level is equally invalid, and totally arbitrary. The mechanics in BW are fucking hard for a noob, no argument there, but the same is true about high level play. The mechanics in SC2 are a lot easier, period. That doesn’t mean that there is no skill in SC2, but saying that the skill is equal is just ridiculous. Why do you think that crappy ex-BW players can suddenly succeed in SC2? Its because the game is easier and the competition is easier. Oh, and before you think about saying “but SC2 is a different game that requires different skills, with easier mechanics the players are forced to use more strategy!” remember that BW is 13 years old. Of course the strategy involved in a 13 year old game is way more complex than in a game that only had one year to evolve. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4139 Posts
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Eviscerador
Spain286 Posts
As a non korean it doesn't bother me, gl with it, I won't watch the games anyway. There are plenty of tournaments and leagues outside of Korea to watch, which cares about viewers which are not Korean. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
It's a good news for all of us.. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On October 20 2011 11:09 NeVeR wrote: Broodwar had its time. The game lived much longer than anyone could imagine. If the Kespa cares about business, it is only logical to transistion eventually.KeSPA...... why? x__x I really think this will affect BW negatively if it were to happen. It can't do anything but divert more attention and fans from BW to SC2. I just hope that its affect on the BW scene will be minimal if it goes through. | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
On October 20 2011 18:24 [F_]aths wrote: Broodwar had its time. The game lived much longer than anyone could imagine. If the Kespa cares about business, it is only logical to transistion eventually. Why is it more logical to transition to SC2 if the Korean crowed appreciate BW a lot more than SC2? There have been plenty of RTS games released since BW that didn’t get as popular in Korea. WC3 is one of them. Not that SC2 shouldn’t be broadcasted in Korea, but saying that it’s a natural transition is pretty ignorant. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1706 Posts
On October 20 2011 05:32 JiPrime wrote: It's FAR from dead, sadly, given how much the diehards are not willing to let it go. But it will struggle for sure now. People told us that BW was was dead well over a year ago. They all thought "hey, we're going to SC2. Since we're so awesome, BW will die without us". Wrong- if you were in any way involved in current foreign events which are taking place right now, you'd see that we're not dead. On topic, I'm really not a fan of this move... I'm all for there being a lighter schedule of games for the BW pros, giving us more concentrated awesomness, but this doesn't look like a non-hostile way to fill the gap. As a BW guy, I'm learning to expect people to happily fuck us over for some money. I think we've already seen a fair amount of that. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
On October 20 2011 18:24 [F_]aths wrote: Broodwar had its time. The game lived much longer than anyone could imagine. If the Kespa cares about business, it is only logical to transistion eventually. KeSPA doesn't tread broodwar simply as something to make profits from, although establishing the commercial aspect of esports is one of the goals. It also treads it like a part of korean culture, like a sport. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On October 20 2011 18:30 gn0m wrote: Since most of the heroes are still playing BW it is no wonder that BW still got that kind of support. You can see Boxer, Nada and July in SC2, but not players of the caliber of Jaedong, Flash, or Bisu. I think it's really less about the game and much more about the play. Of course BW starleague games provide a much more refined play than Nestea vs Mvp currently in SC2.Why is it more logical to transition to SC2 if the Korean crowed appreciate BW a lot more than SC2? There have been plenty of RTS games released since BW that didn’t get as popular in Korea. WC3 is one of them. Not that SC2 shouldn’t be broadcasted in Korea, but saying that it’s a natural transition is pretty ignorant. If the expansions for SC2 are good, I see no way that BW continues to have a healthy pro scene, since the 640x480 pixel game with no widescreen support is outdated (actually was outdated long ago, but had no worthy successor.) I also see no reason why BW should continue if we have a worthy successor. Imagine BW foreign games. Exciting? Somewhat. I think it is mostly the korean pro play which made BW as what we perceive it now. Imagine korean SC2 games with the refinement of years of training ... | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=251856 | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On October 20 2011 18:04 Game wrote: It was pretty obvious that this would turn into a SC2 vs BW/BW vs SC2 thread. Granted, I'd imagine it's allotted a lot of leniency given the content. What I do find bizarre is that this was slapped into the BW General forum. This isn't BW news, I'm actually quite sure that the majority of the people in the TL:BW community don't have any interest in changes to proleague outside of BW. If it were in SC2 news i'm sure you would be saying "its our proleague!!" | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
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fold
Australia665 Posts
On October 20 2011 18:41 [F_]aths wrote: Since most of the heroes are still playing BW it is no wonder that BW still got that kind of support. You can see Boxer, Nada and July in SC2, but not players of the caliber of Jaedong, Flash, or Bisu. I think it's really less about the game and much more about the play. Of course BW starleague games provide a much more refined play than Nestea vs Mvp in SC2. If the expansions for SC2 are good, I see no way that BW continues to have a healthy pro scene, since the 640x480 pixel game with no widescreen support is outdated (actually was outdated long ago, but had no worthy successor.) I also see no reason why BW should continue if we have a worthy successor. Why does it matter if the expansions are good? The games are different enough that SC2 is not a successor as such but another RTS. What's so outdated about the 640 x 480 resolution and no widescreen support if it allows viewers to clearly see what is going on in the game even on non-HD broadcasts? Your last sentence is the reason why "BW elitists/hipster nerds/BW pessimists" get upset. Why can't both games go on side by side? I personally don't care about SC2 but I don't want it to die since so many people enjoy it. Why can't you do the same? | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On October 20 2011 18:53 Za7oX wrote: If it were in SC2 news i'm sure you would be saying "its our proleague!!" No. Proleague is just a Kespa trademark in Korea. The Special Force team league also operates under the Proleague banner. | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On October 20 2011 18:41 [F_]aths wrote: Since most of the heroes are still playing BW it is no wonder that BW still got that kind of support. You can see Boxer, Nada and July in SC2, but not players of the caliber of Jaedong, Flash, or Bisu. I think it's really less about the game and much more about the play. Of course BW starleague games provide a much more refined play than Nestea vs Mvp currently in SC2. If the expansions for SC2 are good, I see no way that BW continues to have a healthy pro scene, since the 640x480 pixel game with no widescreen support is outdated (actually was outdated long ago, but had no worthy successor.) I also see no reason why BW should continue if we have a worthy successor. Imagine BW foreign games. Exciting? Somewhat. I think it is mostly the korean pro play which made BW as what we perceive it now. Imagine korean SC2 games with the refinement of years of training ... SC2 in its current state is not a worthy successor. The game is boring by design. Hopefully this will change with the next two expansions, but I doubt it. I notice you're posting from the point of view of "e-sports." BW was never about "e-sports." This game will continue to be played even after the pro scene dwindles, if it does. I recently decided to play a couple games on BW and was delighted to find friends online who I've been playing with for a decade now and they could give two shits about the state of the pro scene. Simply put, the people who remain play the game because they find it fun, even if the interface or graphics are "outdated." I mean seriously, you have to be a really slow player to even have time to sit there and look at graphics while the game is unfolding in front of your eyes and there's 20 things you have to be performing in order to keep up with your opponent. It's not like Kasparov sits in front of the chessboard and scrutinizes the worksmanship of the chess pieces, no, his mind is on the game. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
TV companies have for decades lived off of local residents. Your local news for example doesn't care if someone from the other side of the world watches it. You don't see commericals on American Television with commercials for Koreans. Same with OGN. OGN markets to Koreans. And they make their decisions based on Koreans. It's very difficult to market globally because there are only so many companies that benefit from global marketing. And quite frankly, a million young viewers in Korea for a OSL matchup is more important than 2 million viewers from all around the globe. It's much easier to sell the former to sponsors. | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
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