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On October 20 2011 18:33 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 05:32 JiPrime wrote:On October 20 2011 05:30 NYAH_NYAH wrote:On October 20 2011 05:19 Hinanawi wrote:On October 20 2011 05:13 Euronyme wrote:On October 20 2011 05:09 Hinanawi wrote:On October 20 2011 05:05 Euronyme wrote:On October 20 2011 05:01 Hinanawi wrote:
This is terrible news for those of us who don't give a damn about 'e-sports'. You know, those of us who just love Brood War.
I guess it's inevitable. I certainly won't be switching to watch SC2 unless HotS and LotV do a lot to make the game more like BW (get rid of warpgates, refocus the game on siege/anti-siege units, make units clump up less, etc. etc.) Pull that log out of your ass would you? Where in the fiery fuck did you read that they'd stop broadcasting sc bw? NOWHERE! That's right. Shut the fuck up and stop whining like a little bitch. What's wrong with you? Thanks for your opinion about sc2 though. I'm sure someone, somewhere out there cares. Temper tantrum much? Are you going to threaten to punch me through the internet next? Someone hold me, I'm scared. Seriously sick of all people who litterally do nothing but whine in these threads. Get over it. Go to the battle net forums with that kind of attitude. As Yergidy said it might bring viewers to BW. We know nothing yet. Why are you complaining? Why? Let's not pretend this could possibly be good for BW. And let's not pretend that BW had more than a year of life at most left in it. It's FAR from dead, sadly, given how much the diehards are not willing to let it go. But it will struggle for sure now. People told us that BW was was dead well over a year ago. They all thought "hey, we're going to SC2. Since we're so awesome, BW will die without us". Wrong- if you were in any way involved in current foreign events which are taking place right now, you'd see that we're not dead. On topic, I'm really not a fan of this move... I'm all for there being a lighter schedule of games for the BW pros, giving us more concentrated awesomness, but this doesn't look like a non-hostile way to fill the gap. As a BW guy, I'm learning to expect people to happily fuck us over for some money. I think we've already seen a fair amount of that.
Very well spoken.
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might actually make me start watching some bw along with the usual sc2 as well.
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On October 20 2011 18:24 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 11:09 NeVeR wrote:
KeSPA...... why? x__x
I really think this will affect BW negatively if it were to happen. It can't do anything but divert more attention and fans from BW to SC2. I just hope that its affect on the BW scene will be minimal if it goes through. Broodwar had its time. The game lived much longer than anyone could imagine. If the Kespa cares about business, it is only logical to transistion eventually.
Hi in case you noticed SC2 is not doing well in Korea.
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Great! ...well, mostly, just two things worry me:
1- KeSPA 2.0 might be looming, with all the good and the bad things associated with it, especially regarding foreign openness;
2- Official SC2 Korean leagues (and when I say that, I mean from a state sponsored federation) mean more good Korean players will be attracted, which means foreigners will be choked out, as most of them don't even stand a chance to today's Korean roster;
Both points are uncertain though: especially the second one, since competition should be a good thing, as it develops everyone, and brings mroe and more entertaining matches.
On October 20 2011 19:58 Dante08 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:24 [F_]aths wrote:On October 20 2011 11:09 NeVeR wrote:
KeSPA...... why? x__x
I really think this will affect BW negatively if it were to happen. It can't do anything but divert more attention and fans from BW to SC2. I just hope that its affect on the BW scene will be minimal if it goes through. Broodwar had its time. The game lived much longer than anyone could imagine. If the Kespa cares about business, it is only logical to transistion eventually. Hi in case you noticed SC2 is not doing well in Korea.
I am not entirely sure about why that is the case, but I would argue that BW has more seasoned players, more leagues, and publicity in general, and that being the main reason for it, rather than SC2 being a worse game.
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Most foreign teams will be in big trouble if Kespa goes BW+SC2. I expect a lot of them will disband. As teams, the current practice methods simply cannot match the Koreans.
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On October 20 2011 20:00 forumtext wrote:
Most foreign teams will be in big trouble if Kespa goes BW+SC2. I expect a lot of them will disband. As teams, the current practice methods simply cannot match the Koreans.
I wouldn't say that would be the case, since now, there is an actual scene with alot of money on the line outside Korea, so it still may be profitable for them.
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On October 20 2011 19:59 ravemir wrote:Great! ...well, mostly, just two things worry me: 1- KeSPA 2.0 might be looming, with all the good and the bad things associated with it, especially regarding foreign openness; 2- Official SC2 Korean leagues (and when I say that, I mean from a state sponsored federation) mean more good Korean players will be attracted, which means foreigners will be choked out, as most of them don't even stand a chance to today's Korean roster; Both points are uncertain though: especially the second one, since competition should be a good thing, as it develops everyone, and brings mroe and more entertaining matches. Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 19:58 Dante08 wrote:On October 20 2011 18:24 [F_]aths wrote:On October 20 2011 11:09 NeVeR wrote:
KeSPA...... why? x__x
I really think this will affect BW negatively if it were to happen. It can't do anything but divert more attention and fans from BW to SC2. I just hope that its affect on the BW scene will be minimal if it goes through. Broodwar had its time. The game lived much longer than anyone could imagine. If the Kespa cares about business, it is only logical to transistion eventually. Hi in case you noticed SC2 is not doing well in Korea. I am not entirely sure about why that is the case, but I would argue that BW has more seasoned players, more leagues, and publicity in general, and that being the main reason for it, rather than SC2 being a worse game.
+ Blizzard tried to kill BW when SC2 came out which enraged many Koreans. Actually Esports in general in Korea isn't doing so well, BW still is being watched by many, but I don't think it was as big as it was before.
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On October 20 2011 20:03 ravemir wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 20:00 forumtext wrote:
Most foreign teams will be in big trouble if Kespa goes BW+SC2. I expect a lot of them will disband. As teams, the current practice methods simply cannot match the Koreans. I wouldn't say that would be the case, since now, there is an actual scene with alot of money on the line outside Korea, so it still may be profitable for them.
That's because most sc2 fans are foreign fans. Sponsor always follow the fans. Only time can tell how loyal they will be.
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Just two things about this:
1- Bleh.
2- Get used to korean commentary. You won't stand watching a game with english casting again.
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Awesome ^^ sc2 is just growing and growing!
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Oh wow. This might be good for the BW scene, with an influx of new people watching it.
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On October 20 2011 19:26 baubo wrote:
Curious why are some people so desperate for Korean companies to care about foreign fans? I mean, these companies market and sell their stuff to Koreans. For example, SK Telecom, STX, KT, etc. don't get more marketing with more foreign viewers. All those Korean MMORPGs don't care about Americans or Europeans knowing their games. I think Shinhan Bank doesn't exactly have branches all over the world. I think the only sponsor that really benefit from foreign fans is Samsung(sponsor of Samsung Khan BW team for pure SC2 fans).
TV companies have for decades lived off of local residents. Your local news for example doesn't care if someone from the other side of the world watches it. You don't see commericals on American Television with commercials for Koreans. Same with OGN. OGN markets to Koreans. And they make their decisions based on Koreans.
It's very difficult to market globally because there are only so many companies that benefit from global marketing. And quite frankly, a million young viewers in Korea for a OSL matchup is more important than 2 million viewers from all around the globe. It's much easier to sell the former to sponsors.
EXATCLY, we as foreign viewers have privilege to watch their local league. People need to get this to their heads. They are not getting almost any revenue from streams, yet they allow it, and people are bitching because it doesnt exactly fit they needs ...
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* i dont want to "accidentally" watch uneventful sc2 games
* finally see what's up with what game is "better"
* hard to imagine hardcore bw fans switching, maybe some sc2 noobs finally come to their senses
*purely english casters (not overlapping korean commentary and sound) just does not make the experience better (subtitles will be amazing tho)
all in all good for bw lol
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Although i'm stunned with all happiness about SC2 because this game is so uninteresting now, but i think it's good experiment anyway. Maybe under kespa there will be produced some good maps or some balance changes. Also who knows, maybe after HotS and LotV the game will be better itself.
Mostly i fear that BW will maybe never be the same 
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KeSpa in sc2 scares me.. no fucking clue what this would bring.. good or bad
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I think this is good. The only 2 things that make me hate SC2 is 1) it is not controlled by Kespa but by incompetent organisations and 2) SC2 units clump together and make the combat feels much less realistic. Now (1) can be corrected, let's hope that Blizz fix (2) in expansions. Or else I won't watch SC2 due to unit clumping together.
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well, eventually we shall have a SC2 proleague.
And it will be like the old times of BW, with western scene beeing merely a bleak mirror.
Actually I'm sad to hear the news. Because this means exactly what I hoped would never happen. SC2 reemergence in Korea and logical takeover.
Nah, maybe I'm getting old for this chit.
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sc2 as a game is less exciting to watch alone, but with the community doing barcrafts and lots of meet-ups and get togethers far exceeding anything bw has done outside of korea, it really makes it an overall more pleasing experience for me personally. If HOTS addresses some minor issues then I think we can look forward to a bright future!
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On October 20 2011 19:58 Dante08 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:24 [F_]aths wrote:On October 20 2011 11:09 NeVeR wrote:
KeSPA...... why? x__x
I really think this will affect BW negatively if it were to happen. It can't do anything but divert more attention and fans from BW to SC2. I just hope that its affect on the BW scene will be minimal if it goes through. Broodwar had its time. The game lived much longer than anyone could imagine. If the Kespa cares about business, it is only logical to transistion eventually. Hi in case you noticed SC2 is not doing well in Korea. Not yet, which is understandable as most top pro gamers still play Broodwar. It's the players who bring the skill and excitement.
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It's going to be like how SC2 fans raged when IPL showed LOL games inbetween SC2...=/
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