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hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
October 20 2011 13:31 GMT
#861
On October 20 2011 22:24 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 22:23 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Meh so long as the games are shown either before or after the bw, I'm not too fussed about it.

I will rage if they thread games between games of bw though, that would be like an extra long ad break, except with less interesting ads ><

I rather watch nanashin stream that fat korean girl eating food.


Agreed.
Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1613 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 13:36:27
October 20 2011 13:35 GMT
#862
On October 20 2011 22:24 NexCa wrote:
I hope Bisu, Flash and JaeDong switching to SC2 soon, they'd make so much money with their skill

Damn, every post like this hurts me
When you say (P)Bisu/(T)Flash/(Z)Jaedong you mean every top BW players or just every BW player will switch to SC2 and BW will die
Thank you, but you have your SC2 top players and don't touch ours, please!
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forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 13:42:29
October 20 2011 13:38 GMT
#863
On October 20 2011 22:24 ravemir wrote:
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On October 20 2011 20:06 forumtext wrote:
On October 20 2011 20:03 ravemir wrote:
On October 20 2011 20:00 forumtext wrote:
Most foreign teams will be in big trouble if Kespa goes BW+SC2. I expect a lot of them will disband. As teams, the current practice methods simply cannot match the Koreans.


I wouldn't say that would be the case, since now, there is an actual scene with alot of money on the line outside Korea, so it still may be profitable for them.


That's because most sc2 fans are foreign fans. Sponsor always follow the fans. Only time can tell how loyal they will be.


I guess fans probably would follow the top-level SC2 leagues, but if e-sports actually picks up a bit more steam, it's possible that casual interest will be in domestic leagues, a bit like what is happening with soccer: fans watch local leagues religiously, but hardcore fans (and the betting community) follow every major European match.


good point
Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
October 20 2011 13:39 GMT
#864
On October 20 2011 22:24 NexCa wrote:
I hope Bisu, Flash and JaeDong switching to SC2 soon, they'd make so much money with their skill

you will die someday

and if i have the chance i will piss in your grave, then violate your dead body

User was temp banned for this post.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
October 20 2011 13:44 GMT
#865
Ok, some people may not like the fact that I'm writing this without much knowledge in the scene, but I just wanted to throw out my opinion, because while this is pretty cool, I'm concerned

Firstly, as far as I understand, Kespa is an organisation that consists of sponsors. The current teams in Korea don't necessarily share the same sponsors, so will they get represented the same? If not, will the current set of SC2 progamers be given the same representation in the PL, or will this be a case of the so called Code B players joining BW teams, and those players getting to represent their new teams in the Proleague. Could we then see the higher players start doing the same, so they could compete in Proleague? My first concern was that this could cause a division in the scene, that hasn't fully grown yet. The last thing i want to see is a Gretech/Kespa battle and the Korean scene caught in the middle


On October 20 2011 17:27 ladyumbra wrote:
Having read the whole thread now I find it somewhat distressing how divided the community is. I feel like I'm doing it wrong somehow by loving both games. I respect and appreciate each game for what it is and what it is not, perhaps because I think of them as separate but related games and I can take each on it's own merit. I like to think I found SC2 by chance so I could stumble onto BW by fate.

I honestly think that there is a higher chance of good coming from this than bad but it's impossible to know unless a deal is struck and solid details emerge.


This is my second concern. This hasn't even been confirmed yet, but there are already arguments about how having SC2 in between BW games will be terrible, or the newer members of TL (yes that includes me, but I try to avoid the entire subject) acting smug and talking about "evolution" or players switching. Sure, maybe players want to try out SC2. Great. Cool. Fantastic. Leave it and stop arguing. You have a love for a game, so do I. Why does it always have to be an argument about what game is better and why? Why is difficulty always coming up? Day9 once stated that there are people out there who show their love for the game by shitting on everything else, and the last thing I want to see is that happening after this announcement happens (if it happens)

Thirdly....there's way too much good SC2 out right now. I can barely keep up. I didn't ahve internet for MLG, and now I'm having troubles catching up, while watching GSL and NASL and WCG...and Blizzcon is coming as well. I have a job, I can't keep up with all of this

But that's how I feel. Hope you're all having a good day
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ineq
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden376 Posts
October 20 2011 13:48 GMT
#866
There's the real sc2 boom! MVP, get ready to be dethroned!
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forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
October 20 2011 13:56 GMT
#867
On October 20 2011 22:44 Hassybaby wrote:
Ok, some people may not like the fact that I'm writing this without much knowledge in the scene, but I just wanted to throw out my opinion, because while this is pretty cool, I'm concerned

Firstly, as far as I understand, Kespa is an organisation that consists of sponsors. The current teams in Korea don't necessarily share the same sponsors, so will they get represented the same? If not, will the current set of SC2 progamers be given the same representation in the PL, or will this be a case of the so called Code B players joining BW teams, and those players getting to represent their new teams in the Proleague. Could we then see the higher players start doing the same, so they could compete in Proleague? My first concern was that this could cause a division in the scene, that hasn't fully grown yet. The last thing i want to see is a Gretech/Kespa battle and the Korean scene caught in the middle


Maybe we will have 2 Korean leagues, GOMTV and Kespa, some competition is always good.
Mr.Brightside
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia317 Posts
October 20 2011 13:58 GMT
#868
Out of all of the news and threads about whether SC2 is taking off in Korea I think this is the most significant so far, even if it's only a consideration.
"Makin' Pylons, Makin' Probes, Fightin' Round The World" - Russell Crowe
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
October 20 2011 14:03 GMT
#869
On October 20 2011 22:56 forumtext wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 22:44 Hassybaby wrote:
Ok, some people may not like the fact that I'm writing this without much knowledge in the scene, but I just wanted to throw out my opinion, because while this is pretty cool, I'm concerned

Firstly, as far as I understand, Kespa is an organisation that consists of sponsors. The current teams in Korea don't necessarily share the same sponsors, so will they get represented the same? If not, will the current set of SC2 progamers be given the same representation in the PL, or will this be a case of the so called Code B players joining BW teams, and those players getting to represent their new teams in the Proleague. Could we then see the higher players start doing the same, so they could compete in Proleague? My first concern was that this could cause a division in the scene, that hasn't fully grown yet. The last thing i want to see is a Gretech/Kespa battle and the Korean scene caught in the middle


Maybe we will have 2 Korean leagues, GOMTV and Kespa, some competition is always good.


Sure, if there are overlaps allowed. While competition is always god, I don't want restrictions on the competitors. Say this goes through, and you have to pick a side. I'd hate that so much. I want to see MVP in both competitions, not have to choose which side he wants to compete in
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50628 Posts
October 20 2011 14:12 GMT
#870
On October 20 2011 22:48 ineq wrote:
There's the real sc2 boom! MVP, get ready to be dethroned!


huh by who?

BW pros will still play BW(don't even try to argue this),so which SC2 guy will dethrone MVP.
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oldfartz
Profile Joined October 2011
Philippines117 Posts
October 20 2011 14:15 GMT
#871
maybe flash could just do 1 week training, win first place then go back to BW lol
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 20 2011 14:15 GMT
#872
On October 20 2011 23:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 22:48 ineq wrote:
There's the real sc2 boom! MVP, get ready to be dethroned!


huh by who?

BW pros will still play BW(don't even try to argue this),so which SC2 guy will dethrone MVP.


Yup. Why are you telling our best players, who are already on a team that pays them well, to switch?
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Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
October 20 2011 14:18 GMT
#873
On October 20 2011 23:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 22:48 ineq wrote:
There's the real sc2 boom! MVP, get ready to be dethroned!


huh by who?

BW pros will still play BW(don't even try to argue this),so which SC2 guy will dethrone MVP.


임요환!!!
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
October 20 2011 14:23 GMT
#874
On October 20 2011 23:15 oldfartz wrote:
maybe flash could just do 1 week training, win first place then go back to BW lol


LOL! So true! xD
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
October 20 2011 14:24 GMT
#875
Sounds like its going to be a force switch for the pros as soon as kespa gets more money from sc2. But i think that won't happen to soon (lotsa years) since luckily blizzard is getting a some money if people hold sc2 tournaments. So Blizzard is basically keeping bw alive . (or atleast slowing kespa down from switching).

But i guess their real plan is to interest sc2 people into bw and the other way round, so they will gain alot from this duality. Also allows them some show matches like bw top dog playing the sc2 top dog in bw and sc2.
Matkap
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain627 Posts
October 20 2011 14:28 GMT
#876
you people should someday realise that everything in this world, is run by money, and when sponsors realise they can get more international exposure, and the same national exposure, they will "force" via kespa all the teams to switch, and if this is true, it is the first step.

After all some of the top Korean bw sponsors such as Samsung are already sponsoring international sc2 events...
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ArhK
Profile Joined July 2007
France287 Posts
October 20 2011 14:34 GMT
#877
On October 20 2011 23:15 oldfartz wrote:
maybe flash could just do 1 week training, win first place then go back to BW lol


So retarded that it sounds comical...

Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 14:38:54
October 20 2011 14:38 GMT
#878
On October 20 2011 23:34 ArhK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 23:15 oldfartz wrote:
maybe flash could just do 1 week training, win first place then go back to BW lol


So retarded that it sounds comical...



No. It sounds about right to me. I'm pretty sure that if you give Flash a short amount of time, there's mistake that he'll wreck everyone on tour right now.


On October 20 2011 23:28 Matkap wrote:
you people should someday realise that everything in this world, is run by money, and when sponsors realise they can get more international exposure, and the same national exposure, they will "force" via kespa all the teams to switch, and if this is true, it is the first step.

After all some of the top Korean bw sponsors such as Samsung are already sponsoring international sc2 events...


Makes no sense. Not going to happen. No good reasoning/evidence to back it. Korea is still heavy on BW. Sponsors won't force them to switch.
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ArhK
Profile Joined July 2007
France287 Posts
October 20 2011 14:53 GMT
#879
On October 20 2011 23:38 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 23:34 ArhK wrote:
On October 20 2011 23:15 oldfartz wrote:
maybe flash could just do 1 week training, win first place then go back to BW lol


So retarded that it sounds comical...



No. It sounds about right to me. I'm pretty sure that if you give Flash a short amount of time, there's mistake that he'll wreck everyone on tour right now.


Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 23:28 Matkap wrote:
you people should someday realise that everything in this world, is run by money, and when sponsors realise they can get more international exposure, and the same national exposure, they will "force" via kespa all the teams to switch, and if this is true, it is the first step.

After all some of the top Korean bw sponsors such as Samsung are already sponsoring international sc2 events...


Makes no sense. Not going to happen. No good reasoning/evidence to back it. Korea is still heavy on BW. Sponsors won't force them to switch.



So, a week seems enough for you to learn everything about mechanics, the whole metagame of every match up, on every map, and be the best in the world at that..?

You should stop jerking off at our SCBW gods and acknowledge that it will takes a _little_ more time than that to any top SCBW player to be able to "crush" a Mvp or a Nestea.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8806 Posts
October 20 2011 14:56 GMT
#880
wtf...this is crap
no offense but sc2 doesnt compare to bw in entertainment value and tbh i dont want to see half the proleague season streaming sc2 games which im not interested in at all
besides...doesnt sc2 have like 87685868 other leagues already
hard to follow the scene enough already, dont need to make it worse
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