First off I would like to introduce myself, my name is Collin and im 17.
I picked up my stacraft two beta key back in 2009ish when gamestop had there deal going on. I played the shit out of beta. I soon became huge fanboy of sc2, watching every video about pro matches, learning new strats and everthing. I've been like this for everyday since.
But something happened....
I found Brood War....
I will never be able to describe my feelings, because honestly I can't even think of words that would work. All i know is that I love brood war more than any other game of my life, and I'm honestly regretting myself for not finding out how f'cking awesome BW is until now...
I wish i could go back in time, back to the year 2000, where the scene got big, and just watch as much BW was possible.... Just in the few games I have watched, and the stories Ive heard, sc2 will never be as rich, and diverse as BW. There is so much history behind brood war its insane..
I wish life had a reset button thats how bad its gotten..........
But to the point, I know very little about brood war, and I need your help. Is there such a place where i can catch up on all the OSL's/MSL's from the past few years? How can i watch the OSL's/MSL's from this year/current season?
I pretty much just need to know where i can go to make up for all those wasted years and to get into brood war like I should of on day one...
If you have any i should know/ need to know please tell me... Thanks for your time.
Your post warms my heart Welcome to the BW community!
Anyways, you should check out nevake channel. There are A LOT of VODs there. I'll include more resources in this post when I remember them.
Edit: - If you don't understand completely how the leagues work in BW, Teamliquid made an awesome Progaming FAQ, where all questions could be answered. It may be a bit outdated, but still holds very valuable information for any beginners wanting to learn about Progaming: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=75553
- If you're still relatively new to the BW progaming and didn't get used to the Korean commentators just yet, I suggest starting out with GomTV Leagues: http://www.gomtv.net/league/index.gom (they're casted in English by Tasteless).
Those torrents are probably unseeded now, but if you bump those topics asking for people to seed, I'm pretty sure few of them will. Also, please note that these are only videos of the FINALS. What makes watching OSL and MSL hundred times more epic is when you watch the whole tournament. Over time, you find player(s) whose style you like and you become emotionally invested in watching it, making the whole experience much more epic. My suggestion would be to find some OSL/MSL in TLPD and then watch all games from that tournament. You can see which games have VODs linked to them by little yellow plus sign next to them in game list, so make sure to find some that have most of the VODs.
Anyways, that would be all from me I think. Enjoy and have fun!
To watch BroodWar professionally in its entirety, go to moktira's channel. Nevake also is the first person to have the last OSL uploaded. The replay database at GosuGamers for foreigners is extensive, while the one here at TeamLiquid has an amazing amount of high quality games primarily from Koreans and the upper echelon of foreigners.
As far as playing goes, if you are a newbie, the best place for you to go is iCCup. The server itself has been dying a lot in the past year after some management mishaps, but overall can aid you in your every need as a newbie. Once you get your skills up, USWest and all Korean servers like Fish and BrainClan are very good.
For entertainment value, I recommend Sayle's stream since it is the most active, entertaining, and interactive friendly. He also is the caster for every sponsored tournament. For entertainment in VODs, check out NukeTheStars. Otherwise, the TeamLiquid stream list is impeccable, as all of the current BW streamers/casters are on here, so you just have to catch them while they are online.
If I think of anything more productive for you, being that it's roughly 6am for me right now, I'll edit this tomorrow.
Hey and really nice post, welcome to the BW community, I know how you feel, I wish I could restart and go back to 2000 just to relive all the moments, thats how good BW was and still is! But yes, 2pacalypse- is right...Nevake has a nice channel where you can learn a lot just by watching for hours, enjoy your stay and don't hesitate to ask for help or ask any question no matter how "newb" of a question you think it is XD.
Really nice post though, I wish more SC2 players could be like you! ^_^
Hey man, I have been making some video guides for people switching from SC2 in this thread, and i will be making more whenever I can. Hope these can help a little.
Hi. JinAir OSL was the last OSL so far. There is always a thread like this: link ad one of its section is "History" where you can find all previous OSLs. If you click on any of them, there will be some general information and matches and vods.
I watched all OSL finals and that helped me a lot to come to terms with much of the BW history I've missed. These are like eras, and you can see how the game evolves.
As far as playing goes, if you are a newbie, the best place for you to go is iCCup. The server itself has been dying a lot in the past year after some management mishaps, but overall can aid you in your every need as a newbie. Once you get your skills up, USWest and all Korean servers likeFish] and BrainClan are very good.
How many people are on west compared to Iccup, West isn't rank is it?
Other commentators that, while no longer active, may be worth checking out. Searching for any of these should get you their youtube channels. Keep in mind, a lot of the older vods are from the days when youtube had a 10 min (later 15 min) limit on all video's, so they'll be split into multiple parts. At this point, commentary is the best way to learn about the game from a spectator's perspective, so I'd recommend finding a few you like and going to town, before November rolls around the next season starts.
CholeraSC - In my opinion, the best english commentator ever. Funny, knowledgeable, and a genuine pleasure to listen too. I first got into BW by watching a huge portion of his archive. Stopped casting around the end of 2009, right when i discovered him.
RanshinDA - Very silly commentator, who covered the MSL when Nuke was covering the OSL. Stopped in early 2011. Never my favorite, but he has commentary on a lot of recent matches.
Moletrap - Yes, that moletrap. His BW youtube channel is filled with commentaries, which he ceased doing around the time GOM first hired him. Once you start watching BW live, you'll notice he still goes to a TON of tournaments over there.
KlazartSC - One of the first to get into the english commentary game - meaning the video quality of his vods was never the best. While his knowledge of the game was never top notch, he was better than almost anyone else at displaying the same sort of excitement and enthuaism as Korean commentators.
Violetak - Did some commentary WAY back in the day, and frankly I've never heard them. However, he quit the game and donated his director account to the community for dual and triple commentaries. You will find commentaries of many proleague matches here, as well as the legendary Stork v GGPlay, a PvZ that goes almost an hour and a half and features every P and Z unit in the game besides scouts, commentated by Moletrap and Combat-Ex (yeah, he's from BW too...).
Day[9] - Yup, him too. probably the best analytic commentator ever - back in his BW days he was MUCH more focused on analysis and teaching than on being goofy. Check out his early daily's (on the Blip.tv accout, but you need to scroll WAY back), as well as the hillarious Bo5 grudgematch he commentated between Chill and Combat-Ex.
Other Active Commentators
DejaVu119 - Semi active, commentates random games. A very entertaining commentator, he reminds me a lot of Klazart in the same way that Nuke reminds me a lot of Cholera. With Sc2GGVorosh, he took up commentating the MSL when RanshinDA stepped down, though with the MSL likely ending it's uncertain what he'll be doing anymore. Also does live commentary of PL matches occassionally on eton's stream.
Sc2GGVorosh - Newer commentator, and one whom I've not listened to much. Still, I've liked what I've heard, and if he decides to commentate PL matches once it starts up again I'll probably follow him. Does a little bit of Sc2 commentary too.
Sayle - The premier foreign commentator - you can see him streaming almost every weekend covering foreign events. Hilarious, and pretty knowledgeable about the game as well. He doesn't youtube, his archives are on his Twitch.tv account.
Hope this helps.
EDIT - Added info about a few active commentators.
If you go on liquipedia on either the OSL or MSL page you get a link to the R&S page for each one, which then has links to youtube for every game played! The older ones dont have that but from 2007 and up, you will find all the games there. Some of the older VODs are still available but will require some browsing on Nevakes channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/nevake). Just search for the event you want to see and enjoy epic series like Boxer vs Oov at EVER2004!
Check out the Small VOD Thread, motkira, r3z3nd3 and other AWESOME fellows make that thread the BEST THREAD on TL ever. Its a thread with the VODs of many (if not almost all) proleague/starleague games, including the very recent ones.
Huge shoutout to the people keeping the Small Vod Thread at its finest! WE LOVE YOU!
There is also MBC Bnet Attack Returns thread, yet another BEST THREAD on TL ever, checkout that one for pro FPVODs. Huge shoutout to Ryo! WE LOVE YOU!
Seems like November the next season will kick off, check out the restreams of GTR, nanashin, Kiante and many other AWESOME people restreaming OSL's, MSL's, PL's and many other events
This is nice, I'm an appreciator of both games too, and its great to see people who never played before getting into bw through sc2.
I can sort of relate too because although I played bw on and off pretty much since it was released to till around 2007 I only really became interested in competitive starcraft after sc2. the most I ever cared about for bw was watching some epic vods that other people had recommended on youtube. While I appreciated their skill I didn't try follow the players because nothing was in english. Now with sc2 and I know how the scene is/was I wish I had.
Anyway, there needs to be more people like you who like both games, too often I see elitists from both sides, and they are both in the wrong.
Thread should be retitled OSL/MSL Info Thread and stickied. The love this dude received is absolutely overwhelming and needs to be shared with all prospective BW fans.
I share the sentiments Of the OP I'm an SC2 guy who has just recently got into BW but the pain is even more severe as before SC1 vanilla came out I played the demo and loved every second of it, I literally played the game to death however at the time I was just about to turn 9 and had no income and was unable to get the game. When I had the means it was too late as It had already slipped out of my mind as I had got a PS1 for my birthday. If only I had paid more attention or remembered the game at the time I may have been able to jump in right at the start
to add to some of the suggestions above for foreign castors
current: nukethestars for some awesome hype and osl casts, pay special attention to the fun with bork playlist1
sayle for the music, LISTEN TO HIS MUSIC
Past: too many, here is what you need to focus on 2008 OSL Finals in the epic cast of moletrap/klazart/cholera, including the pre/post game commentary
cholera: any game with reach and zergbong
moletrap: the nuke is going to land on his army
klazart: his savior games, notice his voice gets faster but the volume gets lower with each game...once you find out why, your evolution is complete
day9: to improve game play, dont let his current sc2 daily fool you, his bw casts were considered unrivaled for entertainment and for noobs gett better
Ahw, I hope this doesn't sound condescending but I just had a flash back to when I was liek 4 and played starcraft Frigging awesome, I recommend reading R&S threads, Moktira made an undescriably awesome thread which included all of the MSL games (except a few, but still, Moktira can only be human right?)
honestly I feel like the best way to watch VODs of old MSLs/OSLs is to visit the R&S threads for each one (gives an overview of tournament, and then lists each game). You can easily figure out what games to search for on youtube using R&S threads. Here are hte threads for the most recent OSL and MSL, which have links to all previous R&S threads.
My advice is find a player you like and watch all their VODs from any given OSL/MSL/proleague in order. It is very rewarding following a player and watching them grow and fall.
Any S class player is worth doing that for. My personal favorites from each race are Jaedong, Stork, and BoxeR.
EDIT : TLPD is your friend you can generate custom lists of games for easy viewing, most games have VODs and battle reports too if available. Very valuable resource.
When R1CH gets around to it, it may be possible to access all of the old news reports about BW from late 2002 to the present in a convenient list. Until then, try using archive.org to look for older versions of teamliquid.net
add that SH1T to your homepage if you use Chrome. Otherwise favourite it. Its the nevake channel, i set it so you can see the search box, if ever you dont see it click "uploads" and then search away!
ive been searching "fighting spirit" and finding pvsp games because i am in desperate need of pvsp lol.
Ill quote my current iccup match statistics hold on..
I had never seen the Chill-Combat-ex grudgematch.That's some quality entertainment. -_-
I wish i had more time to watch old BW. I feel like i could spend every waking moment for years and still not be satisfied. I have yet to get through all of the old OSL and MSL finals.
I love the passion you have starting out and if your up for some practice hit me up on my iccup ID:BrainBag[MB]
thanks ive played a few games, and im horrible lol i dont even know what race i should play
play terran and watch the stylish vod's. It's really cool and works.
Edit: And become a Fan of some bw player, there are so many cool personalities! My favs are Jaedong (I love how he looks/ talks and his Z style is super style..) and Fantasy (he plays terran the way I always image humans would fight the alian races, full mech/ valkyries high tech unites, with doing epic defences and walls super cool to watch)
On October 03 2011 05:04 sheaRZerg wrote: I had never seen the Chill-Combat-ex grudgematch.That's some quality entertainment. -_-
I wish i had more time to watch old BW. I feel like i could spend every waking moment for years and still not be satisfied. I have yet to get through all of the old OSL and MSL finals.
Glad i could point you to it - truly one of the greatest matches ever played. One wonders what Bisu would be capable of if he discovered the glory of the double observatory build.
You've discovered the most beautiful computer game ever created. Welcome to the BW community, we share you passion. Be sure to check out sAviOr's games, they are just incredible
On October 03 2011 05:47 DropBear wrote: This epic post from moktira has vods for every MSL up until 2007, he's still updating it too.
The GOM S1 and You are the Golf King finals are recommended!
The titanic clashes between Nada and Gorush were always epic. E-P-I-C.
Watch: YATGK Winner's bracket finals YATGK Finals (played shortly afterwards -- the rematch) IOPS OSL Semifinal of NaDa/Gorush (played a week later -- the re-rematch)
E P I C
No other rivalry has produced average game quality that high. Even if you look at Boxer/Yellow or Flash/Jaedong, you never get the same level of tension.
Thank you everyone who has posted in this... I am in the EXACT same position as Colin is (well, I'm 19 and didn't play the beta :p ) but I've been wondering about this as well. There is something about BW that appeals to me, and I regret not knowing about it even 5 years ago. Thanks for all the help!
I had similar feelings of regret that i hadn't found the scene sooner. When i was a forum newbie i spent so much time reading final edits and such and remember feeling so amazed at the richness of proBW. It's never too late get into Korean BW though. I've been watching since 2009 and i do feel like i'm witnessing events that are special, that history will not forget (Flash golden mouse, Jangbi OSL, even match-fixing scandal.)
I agree with the person who said follow a particular player first. Well, of course it would be better to decide on a main race you play (keep playing off-race as well to hone your understanding of the game) and watch a particular player...
Just gonna share some personal stuff. I used to be a Protoss player, and I played a lot of FFAs with my friends. I didn't get into the proscene until late 2004, and of course, Boxer became my favorite player. He was a god among men and he could do no wrong. When he went up against oov, I knew this was going to be his last chance (although I was wrong) to get a golden mouse. As fate had it, I didn't like oov. I thought he was a boring player. And so when I saw that result I decided to (1) play Terran to honor Boxer and (2) stop watching pro-BW cause it hurts when your favorite player loses.
And now, I'm a Terran player primarily, but a Bisu fan. Funny how things work out. My point is this: it's always nice to play the game you're watching just so you don't forget how difficult the game is and how much you love it. But follow the players. Follow the teams. Follow the history, and you will never regret doing so.
Can't believe no one mentioned TLPD as far as I read the thread right :p http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/individual-leagues (you can select team leagues too) Then you can watch all the games in order (begin from the last games) by clicking on "game list", games with vods have and orange cross, games without vods have a blue cross. Most of the 2000-2004 leagues have no vods tho, but it's a good start.
Might I suggest you start closer to the beginning and watch the awesome games back when Reach was amazing? If you decide to you should watch the game chronologically, because watching the games in the other direction will make you think the pros are playing like crap
On October 03 2011 14:29 Kimaker wrote: If you want to, I'd like to recommend some of the VODS that got me into BW. Introducing, our very own...LIQUID'TYLER!
Noone has mentioned Liquipedia? Seriously? I am quite upset.
All the OSLs, MSLs, GSLs and STX Cups ever played are on there, as well as most of the vods (still adding some). Still working on proleague as well as a way to watch all of the above spoilerfree.
Gogo CollinatoR: also since you're 17 don't beat yourself up that you didn't start watch BW when you were like 6 yrs old I'm 27 and I too found BW through SC2, and I promise you: you will feel there is a void, and the more you try and fill that void, the bigger it will gape. And yet you will feel satisfaction. Amazing thing, Brood War.
http://www.youtube.com/user/DejaVu119 i wanna plug dejavu if you new to the game korean commentary can be over whelming english commentary to get started.
On October 02 2011 18:41 CollinatoR wrote: I wish i could go back in time, back to the year 2000, where the scene got big, and just watch as much BW was possible....
On October 03 2011 14:11 CollinatoR wrote: I heard of a noobie clan for BW, is there still one that exists? and if so can someone direct me? i would love to mass games and look for insight : D
It's still in its infancy, but as we continue to organize and promote it should become much more active and with a greater sense of community than it currently has.
If your looking for people to play with head over to op teamliquid (type /j op teamliquid).
This was the series that got me into playing Brood War. Though I had been playing since a couple of years after it came out, this game and series showed me just how entertaining and refreshing a game of Starcraft could be, complete with commentators and fans.
The Star Invitational is really one of the best places to start if you want an easily accessible(if a bit small) cache of old pros and their games.
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Welcome to the BW community!
