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Temple Siege (DotA/AoS-style)

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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 10:32:58
August 27 2011 10:26 GMT
#1
Last one got deleted, I'll put more effort into my post this time.
http://www.staredit.net/?attachment=7957 DOWNLOAD LINK, may require an account on SEN, not sure.
Does anyone here on TL play temple siege? It's a UMS DotA/AoS style map featuring 15 (? I think it's 15 at least) heroes, each with four spells fired from a hotkeyed gateway.

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It's the most popular AoS map on brood war, although it's been in decline since SC2's release. However, there's normally people in op tsc looking for a game, and plenty of people still hosting and playing.





Basic gameplay is easy enough to learn, hard to master. You start by choosing a hero (or randoming). After everyone has chosen their hero, they appear at their respective temples. If your temple dies you lose; in addition, if your hero is killed 3 times you are eliminated. If everyone in your team is eliminated your team loses. The standard way to play is to hotkey your hero as 2, gateway at top left as 1, and upgrade buildings and minions as 3 4 and 5.

Most of the time you'll be moving your hero around, killing spawn. But when you need to cast a spell, you tap 1 and then, say, Z for your first spell. Gas is mana, minerals are what you buy upgrades with. You also get level points (civilians at top centre) to spend on additional HP, mana, minerals, or your next spell level.

One important feature of the map is the outpost system. There are three outposts, one in the centre of each lane. These outpost have a beacon surrounded by cannons; standing on the beacon for 30 game seconds captures the outpost, making it owned by your team. You can then teleport from your temple to any outpost beacon you own, and also get more units spawning from your outpost. The start of the game normally has people rushing to the outposts to try and capture them before the enemy team.

Once the outposts are all captured, the midgame starts. This is where you start killing heroes and spawn. Both give you experience; spawn is much easier to kill than the heroes. Oh yeah, and there's a day night cycle. Once night starts, it's gank time! Be on your guard during night time, as you're almost sure to be attacked at night by heroes looking for an easy kill.

Late game is all about big team battles, capturing or destroying outposts, and destroying the enemy base and temple.

The map is, as I said, fairly easy to pick up, but takes a lot of practice to be really good at. It's heaps of fun, and probably the best popular map on bnet at the moment. It's also great if you like micro, and you can try out different builds to make your chosen hero more powerful. I suggest you try warrior or special ops as your first hero, as they're easiest to pick up. Mutant's a lot of fun too, but a lot weaker and harder to keep alive. If you want to learn to play head to Op TSC on USEAST and ask someone to teach you the basics, or just jump into a game and learn on the spot. I believe if you want to test it out solo first, you should get in a game by yourself and move to player 3 or 6. These are the test players and if only one person is in game and in one of those slots you get infinite civilians/levels, and can play by yourself.
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lbmaian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 10:50:16
August 27 2011 10:48 GMT
#2
Looks interesting, but I seriously don't get why this wasn't done in SC2. I can understand not liking SC2 multiplayer or Acti-Blizzard or SC2's supposed effect on BW, but that has no bearing on UMS. The BW editor has shortcomings and the SC2 foreign fanbase is larger.
beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
August 27 2011 10:54 GMT
#3
Do replays work on this map? If so, could you post some?
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
August 27 2011 11:14 GMT
#4
On August 27 2011 19:48 lbmaian wrote:
Looks interesting, but I seriously don't get why this wasn't done in SC2. I can understand not liking SC2 multiplayer or Acti-Blizzard or SC2's supposed effect on BW, but that has no bearing on UMS. The BW editor has shortcomings and the SC2 foreign fanbase is larger.

This map was first made before SC2; there is a sc2 version being made over on staredit.net too.

On August 27 2011 19:54 beef42 wrote:
Do replays work on this map? If so, could you post some?

Yes they do. There are some replays from the recent tournament here: http://tstourney.weebly.com/archive.html
(70+ players showed up at that tournament apparently.)

There's also replays scattered over the place (keep in mind that most are older versions) e.g. http://www.staredit.net/?attachment=4971
http://www.staredit.net/?attachment=4986
http://www.staredit.net/?attachment=5127 (this one's quite a good match)
http://www.staredit.net/?attachment=5177 (as is this)
http://www.staredit.net/?attachment=5219
http://www.staredit.net/?attachment=5955 (loooong game)
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swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 27 2011 11:30 GMT
#5
Hmmm this looks interesting, will check it out
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
August 27 2011 11:35 GMT
#6
There's surprisingly few videos of it on youtube...I might have to commentate some replays and put them up to show you guys, maybe it'll explain things so you can learn faster.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
August 27 2011 18:28 GMT
#7
I play Temple Siege but unfournatly it mainly played on U.S. East server due to where the tournament channels and stuff but it really a fun game! Try it if you never played it before .
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xOchievax
Profile Joined April 2010
United States69 Posts
August 27 2011 19:02 GMT
#8
This game is so crazily addictive. I must have played it as much if not more than regular BW. It seems quite well balanced. Every unit can really own if used correctly and is a ton of fun to play as in some way. Landing an execution (final spell for assassin, pretty much 1-hits heroes without crazy health, difficult to hit with) feels amazing.

To be honest I really can't see this being much fun in sc2. A lot of the strategy was in working with the unique ways each unit moves and obscure glitches with the engine, and in SC2 there is obviously a lot less glitches and movement variety. The game was relatively simple in basic game mechanics compared to other such games, but there is so much more to learn and figure out once you have the basics down.

The only thing I never liked about this UMS is the community. It seems like a lot of the people who play it a lot think they are sooo amazing and are happy to let others know whenever they win. Of course they could be easily ignored but games often fall apart when players get in giant flame-wars and intentionally ruin the game for everyone (leaving, feeding, etc.)... It might seem like this wouldn't happen often but because of the extremely small active player-base it can occur quite often.
Klaca
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
318 Posts
August 27 2011 20:03 GMT
#9
I dont think its the most popular. I play a TON of ums on iccub but ive never seen it. Yet there are quite a lot of games of DotX and a spanish Dota-clone
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
August 27 2011 20:22 GMT
#10
Klaca yeah, I don't know why but it doesn't seem to be played much on iccup. Mind you, when I tried to starta game called Temple Siege Iccup on iccup it told me the name was in use so there must be some people who play. Who knows, maybe it'll get more popular there ;0
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S[o]ul
Profile Joined April 2010
United States39 Posts
August 27 2011 20:33 GMT
#11
On August 28 2011 04:02 xOchievax wrote:
The only thing I never liked about this UMS is the community. It seems like a lot of the people who play it a lot think they are sooo amazing and are happy to let others know whenever they win. Of course they could be easily ignored but games often fall apart when players get in giant flame-wars and intentionally ruin the game for everyone (leaving, feeding, etc.)... It might seem like this wouldn't happen often but because of the extremely small active player-base it can occur quite often.


This
Like an year ago, I used tons of ts, but the community made me quit. Every single game, there is at least 1 person who thinks that everyone on his team sucks, and there is always one person that thinks someone on the enemy team is hacking. I suppose the hacking paranoia makes sense, since hacking is a big issue in temple siege since there is 0 hack protection. 25% of the games has at least 1 maphacker or drop hacker in it.
I really like temple siege and i think it's very unique, even if the new versions arent that great imo, but the community is terrible.

I'm still up for some games though, so if anyone wants to play, give me a pm
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
August 27 2011 20:41 GMT
#12
There is actually some maphack prevention, but I have the grim feeling some of the later versions don't actually utilize it.

And yeah, enough of the community are bad eggs that you do often get flamers and BM, but if you /ignore them during the game then it isn't normally a problem. The last few games I've played haven't really had any BM at all so maybe the community's changing as well.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 21:02:18
August 27 2011 21:01 GMT
#13
This is up there in terms of popularity. This game was insanely imbalanced but it was pretty fun. After i think v1.38, the map sucked (when all these random new crap came out ex. Phantom)

the community who played it was the worst. a whole clan went around claiming people were hackers when they werent (clan ws if i remember)
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
August 27 2011 21:35 GMT
#14
The versions with phantom (1.5-.17) aren't very popular. The latest version (vG2b?) follows on from 1.4MT. It does have three new heroes (Alchemist, General, and Magician) which all seem pretty meh. General is interesting but not very original.
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sh4w
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States713 Posts
August 29 2011 05:05 GMT
#15
Love this game!
It, and the people who play it however are not very noob friendly though. DL = Ban almost always. If anyone wants to get together and play just let me know. sh4w on iccup, east, and west.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 29 2011 07:02 GMT
#16
Was playing this a ton around a year ago. It's very good times.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9954 Posts
August 29 2011 09:15 GMT
#17
Was a time when I played this a lot. There was one version that was fairly balanced, but no idea which one it was. Was a really fun game.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
August 29 2011 13:52 GMT
#18
http://tstourney.weebly.com/index.html there's actually a tournament being hosted in the next few weeks, you guys should head along. Don't have to have a premade team as far as I know, just ask to be a sub or ask if you can play when the time comes. Although if you did make a team and get some practice in it'd be good as well ;0

I'm pushing for the next tournament to be on iccup because of low latency and anti hacks.
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HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 14:46:06
August 29 2011 14:38 GMT
#19
I really want to play this but u get banned very often when you're trying to learn.
A guy taught me about this and now I know the baiscs but still need to familiarise with the heroes skills etc...

Any good heroes for beginners? Maybe ranged ones?

edit: whoa there'r youtube videos on it, nice!
oh and i read the op thx i'll try those heroes first
BW forever!
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 29 2011 19:42 GMT
#20
It is true that it can be hard to get into if you haven't played before. If the creator doesn't recognise you, he'll often ask stuff like "What unit's the archer?" and if you don't know, he'll ban you.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
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