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On July 29 2011 03:48 Blasterion wrote:
I kinda feel because BW Fans likes to say those things like SC2 takes no skill is exactly why SC2 fans want BW to die so much lol
Nobody likes their/ game dissed
'Yea, it's like that much older bro who is a loser and cannot move out of the house because he's a deadbeat yet he tells you you suck more than he does.'
Although you know I'm a BW fanboy, I also know fana can say "stuff" from time to time that makes you mad. That's why I chose to just minimize SC2 and ignore it.
But seriously, Blast, we really don't like hearing BW is gonna die cause we love it. It just makes us pissed off as heck.
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On July 29 2011 04:06 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 03:48 Blasterion wrote:
I kinda feel because BW Fans likes to say those things like SC2 takes no skill is exactly why SC2 fans want BW to die so much lol
Nobody likes their/ game dissed 'Yea, it's like that much older bro who is a loser and cannot move out of the house because he's a deadbeat yet he tells you you suck more than he does.' Although you know I'm a BW fanboy, I also know fana can say "stuff" from time to time that makes you mad. That's why I chose to just minimize SC2 and ignore it. But seriously, Blast, we really don't like hearing BW is gonna die cause we love it. It just makes us pissed off as heck.
Well I don't like to hear it either. I may not be as loyal to BW as you folks but it's a esport that we all grown to love over the years
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On July 29 2011 03:48 Blasterion wrote:
I kinda feel because BW Fans likes to say those things like SC2 takes no skill is exactly why SC2 fans want BW to die so much lol
Nobody likes their/ game dissed
It goes both ways though. No one likes being trolled or people posting like ignorant and insensitive jerks. When people say that there is more skill in BW at the moment like Intrigues post, it's not meant to be a diss to SC2. It's pointing out the obvious that the highest level of BW players have things like multitasking and game sense beyond the current SC2 pros as well as a more intensive and committed practice regimen. It's meant to get the current SC2 scene to try to be more like BW and to get better. It's completely different than "Yay mbcgame dead/so and so is retiring/bla bla bla more people people to SC2." The posts actually dissing SC2 here really do seem more of a combination of frustration to current happenings and a reaction to a lot of the trolling/insensitivity/ignorance.
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On July 28 2011 23:34 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 23:33 Achromic wrote:On July 28 2011 06:27 puppykiller wrote:
No one I know is hostile to ppl who are switching from sc2 to BW. Most hostility i notice is directed towards ppl who know absolutely nothing about BW trying to talk about the game like they play it everyday. Yeah this. New Starcraft 2 players who argue against long time BW players thinking they are on equal grounds pisses me off the most. Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game.
Does anyone actually do this? I've never seen this. Like most BW fans, I was excited for SC2. I played the beta, bought the game, and watched the first 2 or 3 seasons of GSL, and just found it lacking as a spectator game.
I agree that this 'ESPORTS' garbage annoys me too, I don't care about 'ESPORTS', I care about Brood War. If BW dies I'm not going to suddenly switch to watching LoL, or WoW, or Starcraft 2 instead.
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On July 29 2011 04:17 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 23:34 supernovamaniac wrote:On July 28 2011 23:33 Achromic wrote:On July 28 2011 06:27 puppykiller wrote:
No one I know is hostile to ppl who are switching from sc2 to BW. Most hostility i notice is directed towards ppl who know absolutely nothing about BW trying to talk about the game like they play it everyday. Yeah this. New Starcraft 2 players who argue against long time BW players thinking they are on equal grounds pisses me off the most. Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game. Does anyone actually do this? I've never seen this. Like most BW fans, I was excited for SC2. I played the beta, bought the game, and watched the first 2 or 3 seasons of GSL, and just found it lacking as a spectator game. I agree that this 'ESPORTS' garbage annoys me too, I don't care about 'ESPORTS', I care about Brood War. If BW dies I'm not going to suddenly switch to watching LoL, or WoW, or Starcraft 2 instead.
QFT. The Esports cult is starting to grate on my nerves. The only thing I watch is BW, it's the only thing that interests me in terms of watching people play a video game.
I played SC2 for several months. In my opinion and experience, SC2 is just not a worthy successor to SCBW. Sure it's kind of fun for a while, but once the hard-counter mechanics start to bore you, it's pretty easy to drop.
Just for kicks, I watched nony's stream for a while last night. All the games consisted of sitting on 2 bases for a while, getting the prescribed unit composition, and 1a to victory (don't even need to 1a2a3a4a5a . .. . . .). Boring, boring game to watch, I don't see why people enjoy it.
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I think the Esport fad thing is only so strong, because lot of the younger posters never saw how hard it failed in the past (especially in the west).
Not to mention its annoying to have 10+ ESPORTzzz cult member, whose only been around since the release of SC2 to tell someone that followed BW for 9+ years that BW dying is good for Esports.Eh maybe, but most old diehards don't give a 2 shit about esports, they just want their BW.
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On July 29 2011 04:29 eeniebear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 04:17 Hinanawi wrote:On July 28 2011 23:34 supernovamaniac wrote:On July 28 2011 23:33 Achromic wrote:On July 28 2011 06:27 puppykiller wrote:
No one I know is hostile to ppl who are switching from sc2 to BW. Most hostility i notice is directed towards ppl who know absolutely nothing about BW trying to talk about the game like they play it everyday. Yeah this. New Starcraft 2 players who argue against long time BW players thinking they are on equal grounds pisses me off the most. Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game. Does anyone actually do this? I've never seen this. Like most BW fans, I was excited for SC2. I played the beta, bought the game, and watched the first 2 or 3 seasons of GSL, and just found it lacking as a spectator game. I agree that this 'ESPORTS' garbage annoys me too, I don't care about 'ESPORTS', I care about Brood War. If BW dies I'm not going to suddenly switch to watching LoL, or WoW, or Starcraft 2 instead. QFT. The Esports cult is starting to grate on my nerves. The only thing I watch is BW, it's the only thing that interests me in terms of watching people play a video game. I played SC2 for several months. In my opinion and experience, SC2 is just not a worthy successor to SCBW. Sure it's kind of fun for a while, but once the hard-counter mechanics start to bore you, it's pretty easy to drop. Just for kicks, I watched nony's stream for a while last night. All the games consisted of sitting on 2 bases for a while, getting the prescribed unit composition, and 1a to victory (don't even need to 1a2a3a4a5a . .. . . .). Boring, boring game to watch, I don't see why people enjoy it.
I think it's the problem with Protoss as a race. It's very flawed design wise, and everytime someone suggests some chnages that can fix it, people immediately oppose it because it'll require complete rebalancing of the game. The thing is, Blizzard made a moronic decision of balancing the game despite huge flaws. It's like their decision to balance it around their broken maps, can't explain that...
Imo TvT and TvZ (and ZvZ to a degree) are all watchable, I'd say some games even come close to really good BW games (although stil have nothing on the very best BW games). The only thing that bothers me is the lack of mechanical demands, it makes everything less impressive for me as a spectator, but those two MUs are still good.
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On July 28 2011 08:23 humanimal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 07:48 yeti wrote:On July 28 2011 06:53 Lucumo wrote:On July 28 2011 06:42 hayata2.0 wrote:There's not as much going the other way seeing as the diehard BW fans tend to have the SC2 forums minimized in the sidebar and don't even look at them.  Exactly  + Show Spoiler + The biggest criticism I have toward web format is the TLPD search bar now defaults to SC2, and you cant change the default. Not anything against SC2 itself, but it is certainly annoying to remember when looking up stats and names, and that frustration is often directed toward the SC2 influx. A nice thing that I've found is if you use the search bar at the top, it'll list both SC2 and BW results and you can just click the right one. Essentially it'll be the same as the TLPD, but combined. Hopefully that'll save you some annoyance ;D As for the OP, I think it's mostly just when people try to impose SC2 onto BW in such a way that's offensive, annoying, or rude. But for the most part, BW players are kind enough to just ignore/avoid SC2 if they don't agree with it. There's a good number of players who do play both however (myself included) EDIT: What a frickin waste of my 100th post =_=
Yes kinda, but the top search bar only works for players not maps or teams. Like I said it isnt a big deal, the problem is that I have to relearn the muscle memory, which is part of the reason I cant switch to SC2. I still want to build probes with P. Lord knows how ridiculously stupid it is to press the most obscure button on the keyboard 100+ times a game, but I've been doing it for 10 years now, and I don't want to change.
+ Show Spoiler [long ramble I don't want to delete] +
What BW worries about is becoming obsolete. Yes SC2 is really close to BW, but it just isnt. Especially when I look at the 'E-Sports' scene. BW has Kespa, tradition, long line of players–both veteran and rookie, and deep history. Because it didn't go through Kespa,SC2 'E-Sports' feels like a cheap start-up. Excluding players like Boxer, Nada, July, Zergbong, ect. SC2 didn't inherit any of BW's traditions or character. And when I watch the cross-over players, it doesn't feel like I am watching the real boxer (Even later Boxer who still nuked Killer in PL). It feels like I am watching an imitation, and every time I watch SC2 boxer, a little of old BW boxer is diminished. Don't get me wrong, SC2 needed boxer and nada to boast their ethos, but hardcore BW fans still see it as a threat to their traditions. For example, every time someone talks about Boxer on the SC2 forum, they seem to have the shallowest of understanding, most of which they picked up from Tasteless, or Day[9].
What is even worse, is the success of lesser BW players who have made the switch. The best SC2 players atm are MVP, Iron, and Zergbong. MVP, who holds the 2 GSL titles, but was a woongjin terran, who made it to the MSL Ro8 once, beat Flash once, and managed a 40% winrate. Iron was a MBC rookie who showed a little promise, but definitely wasn't at MC levels. And Zergbong, well he was a player alright... None of these guys were incredible in BW, but they all manage to dominate SC2. A lot of BW fans say "if Flash makes the switch to SC2, he would destroy everyone." But it wouldn't be overnight, and how would we feel if Flash (who is in god mode right now) lost to Zergbong or TheBestFou. Would Flash's Starcraft achievements be reduced because he could not make the switch to SC2? Would anyone even remember his BW career?
When SC2 was still in beta, I hoped that the transition to SC2 would be smooth. All of the sudden one day, OSL and MSL would become SC2, proleague would crossover, and everything would be conserved. But, after the whole Kespa fiasco, SC2 no long exists in a continuum with BW. Instead BW stands a chance to die and be forgotten. And if it can happen to BW, it will happen to SC2. All of its achievements made obsolete by an upgrade in technology.
***Note: Sorry started rambling as I am ought to do. I am sure everything above has been stated before.
Of course the real reason I can't stand SC2 is:
MBC commentators speaking a language I cant understand > all english commentators.
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On July 29 2011 04:37 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 04:29 eeniebear wrote:On July 29 2011 04:17 Hinanawi wrote:On July 28 2011 23:34 supernovamaniac wrote:On July 28 2011 23:33 Achromic wrote:On July 28 2011 06:27 puppykiller wrote:
No one I know is hostile to ppl who are switching from sc2 to BW. Most hostility i notice is directed towards ppl who know absolutely nothing about BW trying to talk about the game like they play it everyday. Yeah this. New Starcraft 2 players who argue against long time BW players thinking they are on equal grounds pisses me off the most. Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game. Does anyone actually do this? I've never seen this. Like most BW fans, I was excited for SC2. I played the beta, bought the game, and watched the first 2 or 3 seasons of GSL, and just found it lacking as a spectator game. I agree that this 'ESPORTS' garbage annoys me too, I don't care about 'ESPORTS', I care about Brood War. If BW dies I'm not going to suddenly switch to watching LoL, or WoW, or Starcraft 2 instead. QFT. The Esports cult is starting to grate on my nerves. The only thing I watch is BW, it's the only thing that interests me in terms of watching people play a video game. I played SC2 for several months. In my opinion and experience, SC2 is just not a worthy successor to SCBW. Sure it's kind of fun for a while, but once the hard-counter mechanics start to bore you, it's pretty easy to drop. Just for kicks, I watched nony's stream for a while last night. All the games consisted of sitting on 2 bases for a while, getting the prescribed unit composition, and 1a to victory (don't even need to 1a2a3a4a5a . .. . . .). Boring, boring game to watch, I don't see why people enjoy it. I think it's the problem with Protoss as a race. It's very flawed design wise, and everytime someone suggests some chnages that can fix it, people immediately oppose it because it'll require complete rebalancing of the game. The thing is, Blizzard made a moronic decision of balancing the game despite huge flaws. It's like their decision to balance it around their broken maps, can't explain that... Imo TvT and TvZ (and ZvZ to a degree) are all watchable, I'd say some games even come close to really good BW games (although stil have nothing on the very best BW games). The only thing that bothers me is the lack of mechanical demands, it makes everything less impressive for me as a spectator, but those two MUs are still good.
TvT is one of the best matchups to watch when both of the players know what they're doing. ZvZ is watchable.
Blizzard have made amazing expo packs in the past, in the form of BW and Frozen Throne. Give them a chance at turning SC2 into something at least somewhat awesome with HotS.
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On July 29 2011 05:44 DerNebel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 04:37 maybenexttime wrote:On July 29 2011 04:29 eeniebear wrote:On July 29 2011 04:17 Hinanawi wrote:On July 28 2011 23:34 supernovamaniac wrote:On July 28 2011 23:33 Achromic wrote:On July 28 2011 06:27 puppykiller wrote:
No one I know is hostile to ppl who are switching from sc2 to BW. Most hostility i notice is directed towards ppl who know absolutely nothing about BW trying to talk about the game like they play it everyday. Yeah this. New Starcraft 2 players who argue against long time BW players thinking they are on equal grounds pisses me off the most. Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game. Does anyone actually do this? I've never seen this. Like most BW fans, I was excited for SC2. I played the beta, bought the game, and watched the first 2 or 3 seasons of GSL, and just found it lacking as a spectator game. I agree that this 'ESPORTS' garbage annoys me too, I don't care about 'ESPORTS', I care about Brood War. If BW dies I'm not going to suddenly switch to watching LoL, or WoW, or Starcraft 2 instead. QFT. The Esports cult is starting to grate on my nerves. The only thing I watch is BW, it's the only thing that interests me in terms of watching people play a video game. I played SC2 for several months. In my opinion and experience, SC2 is just not a worthy successor to SCBW. Sure it's kind of fun for a while, but once the hard-counter mechanics start to bore you, it's pretty easy to drop. Just for kicks, I watched nony's stream for a while last night. All the games consisted of sitting on 2 bases for a while, getting the prescribed unit composition, and 1a to victory (don't even need to 1a2a3a4a5a . .. . . .). Boring, boring game to watch, I don't see why people enjoy it. I think it's the problem with Protoss as a race. It's very flawed design wise, and everytime someone suggests some chnages that can fix it, people immediately oppose it because it'll require complete rebalancing of the game. The thing is, Blizzard made a moronic decision of balancing the game despite huge flaws. It's like their decision to balance it around their broken maps, can't explain that... Imo TvT and TvZ (and ZvZ to a degree) are all watchable, I'd say some games even come close to really good BW games (although stil have nothing on the very best BW games). The only thing that bothers me is the lack of mechanical demands, it makes everything less impressive for me as a spectator, but those two MUs are still good. TvT is one of the best matchups to watch when both of the players know what they're doing. ZvZ is watchable. Blizzard have made amazing expo packs in the past, in the form of BW and Frozen Throne. Give them a chance at turning SC2 into something at least somewhat awesome with HotS.
I know, but I have mixed feelings - they're track record with expansion packs is really good, but the numerous interviews I've read/watched prove they have no clue what they're doing. If they don't allow cross-server play I'm not even considering buying SC2, anyway.
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On July 29 2011 05:44 DerNebel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 04:37 maybenexttime wrote:On July 29 2011 04:29 eeniebear wrote:On July 29 2011 04:17 Hinanawi wrote:On July 28 2011 23:34 supernovamaniac wrote:On July 28 2011 23:33 Achromic wrote:On July 28 2011 06:27 puppykiller wrote:
No one I know is hostile to ppl who are switching from sc2 to BW. Most hostility i notice is directed towards ppl who know absolutely nothing about BW trying to talk about the game like they play it everyday. Yeah this. New Starcraft 2 players who argue against long time BW players thinking they are on equal grounds pisses me off the most. Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game. Does anyone actually do this? I've never seen this. Like most BW fans, I was excited for SC2. I played the beta, bought the game, and watched the first 2 or 3 seasons of GSL, and just found it lacking as a spectator game. I agree that this 'ESPORTS' garbage annoys me too, I don't care about 'ESPORTS', I care about Brood War. If BW dies I'm not going to suddenly switch to watching LoL, or WoW, or Starcraft 2 instead. QFT. The Esports cult is starting to grate on my nerves. The only thing I watch is BW, it's the only thing that interests me in terms of watching people play a video game. I played SC2 for several months. In my opinion and experience, SC2 is just not a worthy successor to SCBW. Sure it's kind of fun for a while, but once the hard-counter mechanics start to bore you, it's pretty easy to drop. Just for kicks, I watched nony's stream for a while last night. All the games consisted of sitting on 2 bases for a while, getting the prescribed unit composition, and 1a to victory (don't even need to 1a2a3a4a5a . .. . . .). Boring, boring game to watch, I don't see why people enjoy it. I think it's the problem with Protoss as a race. It's very flawed design wise, and everytime someone suggests some chnages that can fix it, people immediately oppose it because it'll require complete rebalancing of the game. The thing is, Blizzard made a moronic decision of balancing the game despite huge flaws. It's like their decision to balance it around their broken maps, can't explain that... Imo TvT and TvZ (and ZvZ to a degree) are all watchable, I'd say some games even come close to really good BW games (although stil have nothing on the very best BW games). The only thing that bothers me is the lack of mechanical demands, it makes everything less impressive for me as a spectator, but those two MUs are still good. TvT is one of the best matchups to watch when both of the players know what they're doing. ZvZ is watchable. Blizzard have made amazing expo packs in the past, in the form of BW and Frozen Throne. Give them a chance at turning SC2 into something at least somewhat awesome with HotS.
The Blizzard that made BW and TFT are a much different company from the ActivisionBlizzard today.
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On July 29 2011 05:59 TheGlassface wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 05:44 DerNebel wrote:On July 29 2011 04:37 maybenexttime wrote:On July 29 2011 04:29 eeniebear wrote:On July 29 2011 04:17 Hinanawi wrote:On July 28 2011 23:34 supernovamaniac wrote:On July 28 2011 23:33 Achromic wrote:On July 28 2011 06:27 puppykiller wrote:
No one I know is hostile to ppl who are switching from sc2 to BW. Most hostility i notice is directed towards ppl who know absolutely nothing about BW trying to talk about the game like they play it everyday. Yeah this. New Starcraft 2 players who argue against long time BW players thinking they are on equal grounds pisses me off the most. Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game. Does anyone actually do this? I've never seen this. Like most BW fans, I was excited for SC2. I played the beta, bought the game, and watched the first 2 or 3 seasons of GSL, and just found it lacking as a spectator game. I agree that this 'ESPORTS' garbage annoys me too, I don't care about 'ESPORTS', I care about Brood War. If BW dies I'm not going to suddenly switch to watching LoL, or WoW, or Starcraft 2 instead. QFT. The Esports cult is starting to grate on my nerves. The only thing I watch is BW, it's the only thing that interests me in terms of watching people play a video game. I played SC2 for several months. In my opinion and experience, SC2 is just not a worthy successor to SCBW. Sure it's kind of fun for a while, but once the hard-counter mechanics start to bore you, it's pretty easy to drop. Just for kicks, I watched nony's stream for a while last night. All the games consisted of sitting on 2 bases for a while, getting the prescribed unit composition, and 1a to victory (don't even need to 1a2a3a4a5a . .. . . .). Boring, boring game to watch, I don't see why people enjoy it. I think it's the problem with Protoss as a race. It's very flawed design wise, and everytime someone suggests some chnages that can fix it, people immediately oppose it because it'll require complete rebalancing of the game. The thing is, Blizzard made a moronic decision of balancing the game despite huge flaws. It's like their decision to balance it around their broken maps, can't explain that... Imo TvT and TvZ (and ZvZ to a degree) are all watchable, I'd say some games even come close to really good BW games (although stil have nothing on the very best BW games). The only thing that bothers me is the lack of mechanical demands, it makes everything less impressive for me as a spectator, but those two MUs are still good. TvT is one of the best matchups to watch when both of the players know what they're doing. ZvZ is watchable. Blizzard have made amazing expo packs in the past, in the form of BW and Frozen Throne. Give them a chance at turning SC2 into something at least somewhat awesome with HotS. The Blizzard that made BW and TFT are a much different company from the ActivisionBlizzard today.
Yeah that's a key point too. Isn't this dev team transplanted from CnC? If that's not a recipe for disaster I don't know what is.
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On July 29 2011 06:17 eeniebear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 05:59 TheGlassface wrote:On July 29 2011 05:44 DerNebel wrote:On July 29 2011 04:37 maybenexttime wrote:On July 29 2011 04:29 eeniebear wrote:On July 29 2011 04:17 Hinanawi wrote:On July 28 2011 23:34 supernovamaniac wrote:On July 28 2011 23:33 Achromic wrote:On July 28 2011 06:27 puppykiller wrote:
No one I know is hostile to ppl who are switching from sc2 to BW. Most hostility i notice is directed towards ppl who know absolutely nothing about BW trying to talk about the game like they play it everyday. Yeah this. New Starcraft 2 players who argue against long time BW players thinking they are on equal grounds pisses me off the most. Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game. Does anyone actually do this? I've never seen this. Like most BW fans, I was excited for SC2. I played the beta, bought the game, and watched the first 2 or 3 seasons of GSL, and just found it lacking as a spectator game. I agree that this 'ESPORTS' garbage annoys me too, I don't care about 'ESPORTS', I care about Brood War. If BW dies I'm not going to suddenly switch to watching LoL, or WoW, or Starcraft 2 instead. QFT. The Esports cult is starting to grate on my nerves. The only thing I watch is BW, it's the only thing that interests me in terms of watching people play a video game. I played SC2 for several months. In my opinion and experience, SC2 is just not a worthy successor to SCBW. Sure it's kind of fun for a while, but once the hard-counter mechanics start to bore you, it's pretty easy to drop. Just for kicks, I watched nony's stream for a while last night. All the games consisted of sitting on 2 bases for a while, getting the prescribed unit composition, and 1a to victory (don't even need to 1a2a3a4a5a . .. . . .). Boring, boring game to watch, I don't see why people enjoy it. I think it's the problem with Protoss as a race. It's very flawed design wise, and everytime someone suggests some chnages that can fix it, people immediately oppose it because it'll require complete rebalancing of the game. The thing is, Blizzard made a moronic decision of balancing the game despite huge flaws. It's like their decision to balance it around their broken maps, can't explain that... Imo TvT and TvZ (and ZvZ to a degree) are all watchable, I'd say some games even come close to really good BW games (although stil have nothing on the very best BW games). The only thing that bothers me is the lack of mechanical demands, it makes everything less impressive for me as a spectator, but those two MUs are still good. TvT is one of the best matchups to watch when both of the players know what they're doing. ZvZ is watchable. Blizzard have made amazing expo packs in the past, in the form of BW and Frozen Throne. Give them a chance at turning SC2 into something at least somewhat awesome with HotS. The Blizzard that made BW and TFT are a much different company from the ActivisionBlizzard today. Yeah that's a key point too. Isn't this dev team transplanted from CnC? If that's not a recipe for disaster I don't know what is.
I think Browder did some work with CnC. David Kim isn't though. Not sure who else has done work with that franchise.
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I think there most of the people on both sides don't care much about the other's game.
There are trolls on both sides tho. BW trolls like to say sc2 takes no skills and if somehow a pro switch to sc2 he is defiled and lose everything. SC2 trolls say stuff about bw dying and bad graphics. But seriously those are just a minority imo.
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On July 29 2011 06:35 xbankx wrote:
I think there most of the people on both sides don't care much about the other's game.
There are trolls on both sides tho. BW trolls like to say sc2 takes no skills and if somehow a pro switch to sc2 he is defiled and lose everything. SC2 trolls say stuff about bw dying and bad graphics. But seriously those are just a minority imo.
Kinda like A trolls B, C attacks A for trolling, D defends A because they're from the same community, E wanting to defend B and C says something out of line and FGHJKI comes in at starts attacking BCE and causes LMNOP to attack ADFGHIJK and then all hell breaks lose
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i care about sc2 because i come from bw.
it saddens me when people say, "its a different game, learn to play or gtfo"
blizzard experimented with sc2 and frankly, i dont think its as good as it can be.
i care for both and i genuinely think making some changes to sc2, it can make the game better.
i say this, not from out of my ass but after playing bw on and off for 10 years with well over 20,000 games(pure guess but should be around there).
the changes i'm talking of have been mentioned throughout since beta, mainly high ground and micro limiting abilities.
i say this with 100% honesty and not to troll. i find it disheartening when sc2 players dismiss it so quickly.
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I think it's pretty unfair to characterize broodwar fans as hostile. If you read live report threads, there will often be a new viewer from SC2 who asks a question and he usually gets multiple friendly responses. Moreover, every time someone asks how to get started in Broodwar, people always answer with good advice. Obviously, we're not always kind, but I think for the most part people who are making a sincere attempt to engage us in a subject that we care about will be met with a warm response
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On July 29 2011 06:53 nbaker wrote:I think it's pretty unfair to characterize broodwar fans as hostile. If you read live report threads, there will often be a new viewer from SC2 who asks a question and he usually gets multiple friendly responses. Moreover, every time someone asks how to get started in Broodwar, people always answer with good advice. Obviously, we're not always kind, but I think for the most part people who are making a sincere attempt to engage us in a subject that we care about will be met with a warm response
I can vouch for this, but that's just because the folks that got me into bw is jpak and Kibibit and ZoW
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On July 29 2011 06:35 xbankx wrote:
I think there most of the people on both sides don't care much about the other's game.
There are trolls on both sides tho. BW trolls like to say sc2 takes no skills and if somehow a pro switch to sc2 he is defiled and lose everything. SC2 trolls say stuff about bw dying and bad graphics. But seriously those are just a minority imo.
On July 29 2011 06:40 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 06:35 xbankx wrote:
I think there most of the people on both sides don't care much about the other's game.
There are trolls on both sides tho. BW trolls like to say sc2 takes no skills and if somehow a pro switch to sc2 he is defiled and lose everything. SC2 trolls say stuff about bw dying and bad graphics. But seriously those are just a minority imo. Kinda like A trolls B, C attacks A for trolling, D defends A because they're from the same community, E wanting to defend B and C says something out of line and FGHJKI comes in at starts attacking BCE and causes LMNOP to attack ADFGHIJK and then all hell breaks lose
It's important to note that criticism =/= trolling. Neither does ignorance. Someone saying SC2 sucks and is a game for noobs is trolling. Someone saying the amount of skill in the SC2 scene is not at the level of BW yet or pointing out the BW failings of current SC2 stars is not. I get the feeling there is some fair criticism that has been misinterpreted as an outright diss or attack on SC2 when I really do not think that is the case.
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On July 29 2011 07:03 tripper688 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 06:35 xbankx wrote:
I think there most of the people on both sides don't care much about the other's game.
There are trolls on both sides tho. BW trolls like to say sc2 takes no skills and if somehow a pro switch to sc2 he is defiled and lose everything. SC2 trolls say stuff about bw dying and bad graphics. But seriously those are just a minority imo. Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 06:40 Blasterion wrote:On July 29 2011 06:35 xbankx wrote:
I think there most of the people on both sides don't care much about the other's game.
There are trolls on both sides tho. BW trolls like to say sc2 takes no skills and if somehow a pro switch to sc2 he is defiled and lose everything. SC2 trolls say stuff about bw dying and bad graphics. But seriously those are just a minority imo. Kinda like A trolls B, C attacks A for trolling, D defends A because they're from the same community, E wanting to defend B and C says something out of line and FGHJKI comes in at starts attacking BCE and causes LMNOP to attack ADFGHIJK and then all hell breaks lose It's important to note that criticism =/= trolling. Neither does ignorance. Someone saying SC2 sucks and is a game for noobs is trolling. Someone saying the amount of skill in the SC2 scene is not at the level of BW yet or pointing out the BW failings of current SC2 stars is not. I get the feeling there is some fair criticism that has been misinterpreted as an outright diss or attack on SC2 when I really do not think that is the case.
of course not, so i didn't specify the parties of ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP's belonging
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