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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
How's about from here on in we use a combination of: aggression animosity meanness antagonism hatred antipathy spite virulence resentment ill will and any others you can think up. Seriously though, its really annoying to read hostility over and over in your head and i pity the people starting this thread from page 1. Make a change! | ||
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Yodo
Russian Federation327 Posts
Oddly enough, there's one reddit for both BW and SC2. And while it's 99% SC2, BW content that does get posted is pretty troll-free. And this makes Reddit entirely useless for scbw fans. Even surfing through random Wikipedia pages is more useful than 1%. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On July 28 2011 19:45 Ruscour wrote: BW fans hate SC2 I stopped reading here. If you're going to post in section, especially with thread titled 'Why are they so hostile' etc., I suggest that you don't start of with those words. Don't generalize. Oh btw, if you ever get sc2/bw sucks comments on #teamliquid and if you take it seriously, I lol at thee. | ||
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Achromic
773 Posts
On July 28 2011 06:27 puppykiller wrote: Most hostility i notice is directed towards ppl who know absolutely nothing about BW trying to talk about the game like they play it everyday. Yeah this. New Starcraft 2 players who argue against long time BW players thinking they are on equal grounds pisses me off the most. | ||
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Achromic
773 Posts
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On July 28 2011 23:33 Achromic wrote: Yeah this. New Starcraft 2 players who argue against long time BW players thinking they are on equal grounds pisses me off the most. Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game. | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2597 Posts
On July 28 2011 21:10 erwthe wrote: It's also the classic Old vs New. The "original" members of TL.net and the massive influx of new ones. It will cause tension no matter what. Especially considering how closely knit the community was pre-SC2. I think a lot of it is this: It's obvious that there was a very tightly knit community here until SC2 blew up and brought all of us noobs here, and now the SC2 folks are the clear majority. I feel like this is going to fix itself in a few years, though, as the less passionate players move on to the new flavor of the week, the chronic assholes get thrown to the lions and the SC2 community boils down to a smaller core. I doubt that will completely clear up the animosity between the two groups, but it will hopefully assuage some of the anger that our sudden tsunami-like arrival has caused in some quarters. | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On July 28 2011 22:17 Sawamura wrote: I feel like making a thread on the sc2 forum with the title "What's with the troll yo ?" Lol, that would be basically the equivalent of this thread... On July 28 2011 22:22 Kiante wrote: Hey guys, reading through this thread has got me thinking. Surely we can use some synonyms for hostility. Because reading it over and over is getting really old. How's about from here on in we use a combination of: aggression animosity meanness antagonism hatred antipathy spite virulence resentment ill will and any others you can think up. Seriously though, its really annoying to read hostility over and over in your head and i pity the people starting this thread from page 1. Make a change! lol On July 28 2011 23:34 supernovamaniac wrote: Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game. Idk, I browse through both BW and SC2 related topics and I generally seem to see more of the former and less of the latter. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On July 28 2011 23:34 supernovamaniac wrote: Equally, there are those who bash at SC2 without actually trying out the game. I dont know man.. I was under the imperssion that most of the Starcraft (Brood War) fans would be curious, if not excited about SC2, so most of them should have tried already.. Even if there are people who havnt tried out Sc2, they should be few and far between. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On July 29 2011 01:52 ffreakk wrote: I dont know man.. I was under the imperssion that most of the Starcraft (Brood War) fans would be curious, if not excited about SC2, so most of them should have tried already.. Even if there are people who havnt tried out Sc2, they should be few and far between. BW folks think they're better because supposedly their game has a bigger skill ceiling (up to debate) Because they think no autocasting, no multibuilding selection, no auto mine, no 255 unit selection limit makes them better players ( up to debate) and bash SC2 because they refer to it as a watered down game.(up to debate) SC2 has a bigger population so we have a fair number of trolls but to shift the blame to the SC2 community entirely is cowardly | ||
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Gann1
United States1578 Posts
thats a dick move guys really | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 29 2011 01:58 Blasterion wrote: BW folks think they're better because supposedly their game has a bigger skill ceiling (up to debate) Because they think no autocasting, no multibuilding selection, no auto mine, no 255 unit selection limit makes them better players ( up to debate) and bash SC2 because they refer to it as a watered down game.(up to debate) SC2 has a bigger population so we have a fair number of trolls but to shift the blame to the SC2 community entirely is cowardly It should be apparent that certain things about sc2 do make it worse game - i've played hundreds of games of both bw and sc2. It's definitely insanely easier to get better at sc2, and some of the factors you've listed ARE the reasons for this. I'm actually totally ok with a lot of these - but the macro mechanics are so clunky and unintuitive that I would rather play a game without them most of the time. Lack of a defender's advantage via high ground disadvantage, perfect mineral pathing that leads to 2 base being stronger than 3 base, etc both affect certain matchups very badly. | ||
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Binabik
Germany686 Posts
 I don't think anything will change until Bisu/Jaedong/Flash change games and the "sc2 is a game for noobs"-arguments stop (whether they are right or wrong). It really reminds me of balance discussions on the sc2 forum xD | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On July 29 2011 01:58 Blasterion wrote: BW folks think they're better because supposedly their game has a bigger skill ceiling (up to debate) Because they think no autocasting, no multibuilding selection, no auto mine, no 255 unit selection limit makes them better players ( up to debate) and bash SC2 because they refer to it as a watered down game.(up to debate) SC2 has a bigger population so we have a fair number of trolls but to shift the blame to the SC2 community entirely is cowardly Some of what you say is true, some of what you say is not. It's not really debatable that things like macro have become easier. Whether or not it makes the game watered down is debatable but it doesn't change the fact that it really appears that much of the animosity from the BW folks is aimed at the trolls/ignorant people who go into BW forums to start shit or post things like "yay maybe we can get zenexbisu now that mbcgame is dead." For the most part it really seems like BW people just want to be able to go and enjoy their BW in peace, something which is becoming more and more difficult and therefore, the amount of patience and understanding being shown is at an all time low. | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On July 29 2011 02:09 Binabik wrote: lol Gann1, your edit really saved you I don't think anything will change until Bisu/Jaedong/Flash change games and the "sc2 is a game for noobs"-arguments stop (whether they are right or wrong). It really reminds me of balance discussions on the sc2 forum xD I think there's a pretty big difference in saying "SC2 is a game for noobs" vs "There is a higher density of RTS skill in BW." People saying the former are basically trolling/venting. People saying the latter are making a fairly objective observation. The two should not be confused although some may take the latter as a slight and interpret it as the former. Just look at the Intrigue article. | ||
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Gann1
United States1578 Posts
On July 29 2011 02:09 Binabik wrote: lol Gann1, your edit really saved you I don't think anything will change until Bisu/Jaedong/Flash change games and the "sc2 is a game for noobs"-arguments stop (whether they are right or wrong). It really reminds me of balance discussions on the sc2 forum xD yeah what i said pre-edit was a dick move by me i'm trying to be civil here~ | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On July 29 2011 00:25 AmericanUmlaut wrote: I think a lot of it is this: It's obvious that there was a very tightly knit community here until SC2 blew up and brought all of us noobs here, and now the SC2 folks are the clear majority. I feel like this is going to fix itself in a few years, though, as the less passionate players move on to the new flavor of the week, the chronic assholes get thrown to the lions and the SC2 community boils down to a smaller core. I doubt that will completely clear up the animosity between the two groups, but it will hopefully assuage some of the anger that our sudden tsunami-like arrival has caused in some quarters. I don't think this is going to happen anytime soon. The SC2 section of this site, imo, is still the most lightly moderated section of the site. A quick glance at any LR thread and you'll see that the mods sometimes are only able to warn/ban the most egregious of posts. Many escape because there are 2-3 worse posts in the same page alone and they just got lost in the shuffle. It is true that the mods have clearly chased away most of the terrible posters from the initial wave. However, SC2 is constantly getting new terrible posters. It will probably take a few years before the SC2 section boils down to a smaller core similar to what BW has right now. What pisses me off the most is that for every troll that wants BW to die and BW players to switch to SC2, there's another troll that is resentful of the success of former BW players and the Korean scene in SC2. If people think the hostility of BW fans to SC2 is bad, they haven't been paying attention to the hostility of the pro-foreign SC2 community to the Korean scene. And most of it because people can't believe that their favorite foreign celebrity streamer, coach, commentator, player or whatever can't beat the former BW players in tournaments like MLG, IEM or the NASL. I really think it's the streaming, coaching, commentating part of SC2 that brings the worst posters in the community. The SC2 fans who are primarily here just for the GSL/GSTL or even IEM/MLG/NASL (when they aren't having technical problems) isn't that bad a bunch. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 29 2011 02:08 Nevuk wrote: It should be apparent that certain things about sc2 do make it worse game - i've played hundreds of games of both bw and sc2. It's definitely insanely easier to get better at sc2, and some of the factors you've listed ARE the reasons for this. That's one of those things that annoys SC2 fans that actually is a cultural difference. We divide the SC2 world into Code S Losers Pathetic Noobs Liveforver And that's our mental ladder. The Bnet ladder rankings are spread evenly, and BW fans treat it like the top-loaded ICCUP ladder. So whenever a BW fan goes "SC2 takes no skill, I got into diamond in like a week", SC2 fans roll their eyes. It's be like me saying "BW takes no skill. I was D- and got into D after like a week". We don't find diamond impressive. If you're on NALA, we don't find Masters impressive either. Even Grandmasters is "enh", because all the really good players are playing customs or playing on the Korea server. So when a BW fan says how easy it is to get to masters, SC2 fans find it uninformed. I'm actually totally ok with a lot of these - but the macro mechanics are so clunky and unintuitive that I would rather play a game without them most of the time. Wait, is the macro too hard or too easy, now? perfect mineral pathing that leads to 2 base being stronger than 3 base, etc What? 3 base isn't better than 2 base. 3 mining bases is optimal saturation for a reasonable amount (70) of workers. Sometimes Zerg gets an unreasonable amount of workers (I saw Nestea once get 110 drones and maintain constant spine crawler production for a truly silly contain while muta-harassing) to saturate 4 base, or takes an early fourth for the gas, but usually you get your fourth when your main mines out, which happens a bit faster in SC2 than in BW. But 3 mining bases > 2 mining bases. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
Nobody likes their/ game dissed | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On July 29 2011 03:48 Blasterion wrote: I kinda feel because BW Fans likes to say those things like SC2 takes no skill is exactly why SC2 fans want BW to die so much lol Nobody likes their/ game dissed This. And SC2 fans like to say BW is dying, which is exactly why BW fans want SC2 to die so much. | ||
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