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slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
May 09 2011 17:30 GMT
#341
well this is awesome news. This is exactly what I was hoping for, that they could come to some reasonable agreement and KEEP HAVING BW!!!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jaedong imba
Suisen
Profile Joined April 2011
256 Posts
May 09 2011 17:36 GMT
#342
Finally Blizzard caved in and gave up. This seems very well to have been the product of SC2's failure, like the Korean journalists seem to suggest. Without SC2 having any chance to replace SC BW, there no longer was the incentive for Blizzard to drive this issue off a cliff. The risk of becoming permanent enemies with the Korean infrastructure as well as losing in court must have made them to accept the standard license fee and abandon this idea of intellectual property of esports matches being the property of the developers because they foresaw and programmed in the game every move the player could choose to make.

Kespa, thank you thank you for protecting the rights of our players and defeating Blizzard. We all owe you once again.
The community shouldn't soon forget Kespa for what they did for us here and give them some more leniency in the future if a fan favorite like Backho gets QDed because of his own mistake.
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
May 09 2011 17:38 GMT
#343
On May 10 2011 00:40 renzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 00:38 Ribbon wrote:
On May 10 2011 00:35 Taku wrote:
Wouldn't Blizzard giving OGN/MBC SC2 rights basically be blizzard stabbing GOM in the back and leaving them out to dry? For one I can't see GOM competing with OGN/MBC in broadcast/production values.


Seriously? The GSL has really good production values with behind-the-scenes documentaries about players and K-pop concerts. I only really watched Brood War via the Violetak account or nukethestars. What have I been missing?


If you watch games live, you'll realize that MSL and OSL has all of those, especially during their respective SLs.


but what they dont have is english commentators. if they add that and subtitles maybe then i would love that.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 09 2011 17:38 GMT
#344
On May 10 2011 02:28 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 02:26 Ribbon wrote:
On May 10 2011 02:19 Kipsate wrote:
On May 10 2011 02:18 darmousseh wrote:
On May 10 2011 02:04 Kipsate wrote:
On May 10 2011 02:03 Ribbon wrote:
On May 10 2011 02:01 Kipsate wrote:
On May 10 2011 01:58 Ribbon wrote:
On May 10 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:
On May 10 2011 01:53 darmousseh wrote:
[quote]


What the heck are you talking about?
I played sc2 when it came out and i had 1 friend who played with me. Almost a year later and now I have 8 friends who play the game and they all have started to watch pro games. From my perspective, the game is getting bigger and more popular. Unless there is an adequate replacement, sc2 is going to be popular for a loooong time. Maybe not in korea, but that doesn't matter to me.


What he means is that it might go the way of the Warcraft III, which also was hugely popular, highly anticipated, money everywhere, but ended up being a shell of its former self, except in China perhaps, but Dota reigns supreme there, not Warcraft III itself.

Sponsors realized that there was no money in it, so they pulled out, massivly, the bubble exploded, and now WCIII is merely a shadow of its former self.


What he means is that he wants to turn the thread into yet another BW vs SC2 flamewar. Which he did quite successfully, not that it's hard.


Sigh, the guy provoked it, a harsh response on the BW forums insulting BW, ofcourse he responses such. This is the BW forums, don't expect anything different then people defending BW and disregarding SC2.


This thread was originally posted in the SC2 forums, which is where it was when Milkis showed up.

Fair enough, forgot that, still it is pretty insulting, a harsh post sometimes needs to be confronted with another harsh post.


I just don't understand why milkis is trying to provoke a reaction. SC2 and SCBW are both great games. SCBW has had time and effort to solidify itself as the premier RTS in korea, but sc2 is starting out great. W3 had problems being a competitive sport since it was very difficult to balance, however, sc2 has had competitive multiplayer at the front the entire time. Blizzard will be investing in sc2 for the next 3 years anyway, so trying to make it the best game possible and best esport should be the goal.

SC2 has a lot of hype around it, but that's the only way it can succeed. GOMTV has done a great job promoting the game and I hope that the success continues. I also enjoy watching SCBW games (mostly just the finals) but there's no reason both can't exist at the same time.

For the negotiations i'm guessing it's something like
Blizzard gets a certain dollar amount.
Kespa must put the blizzard logo and show a short clip about sc2 every X minutes (probably every hour of broadcasting).






Khrelmar provoked a reaction

he got it.



Oh my Christ, are we seriously having a flame war about the flame war we just had?


I thought I could end it with my explenation of Milkis his post, you continued it.

Show nested quote +
What he means is that he wants to turn the thread into yet another BW vs SC2 flamewar. Which he did quite successfully, not that it's hard.


While getting to this level is kind of my own fault, we're now having about a flame war about a flame war about a flame war. Flameception.

I'm just going to flat-out leave this thread, at least for the next few hours. Lurker mode engaged.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
May 09 2011 17:38 GMT
#345
When people start watching SC2 in their countries's main national air plane hangar that's when i'll consider that Korea is not the leading country in e - sports . I don't see that happening so i also take offence from what Krehlmar said . This are our opinions , but i also think that SC2 will die before reaching that height . And also yeah SC2 is pretty "off" compared to BW in Korea .
Kal_rA1
Profile Joined January 2011
160 Posts
May 09 2011 17:39 GMT
#346
so glad
Jaedong Oz
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
May 09 2011 17:40 GMT
#347
On May 10 2011 02:36 Suisen wrote:
Finally Blizzard caved in and gave up. This seems very well to have been the product of SC2's failure, like the Korean journalists seem to suggest. Without SC2 having any chance to replace SC BW, there no longer was the incentive for Blizzard to drive this issue off a cliff. The risk of becoming permanent enemies with the Korean infrastructure as well as losing in court must have made them to accept the standard license fee and abandon this idea of intellectual property of esports matches being the property of the developers because they foresaw and programmed in the game every move the player could choose to make.

Kespa, thank you thank you for protecting the rights of our players and defeating Blizzard. We all owe you once again.
The community shouldn't soon forget Kespa for what they did for us here and give them some more leniency in the future if a fan favorite like Backho gets QDed because of his own mistake.


That was an...interesting interpretation of what happen. Completely wrong, but interesting.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 09 2011 17:44 GMT
#348
On May 10 2011 02:38 Looky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 00:40 renzy wrote:
On May 10 2011 00:38 Ribbon wrote:
On May 10 2011 00:35 Taku wrote:
Wouldn't Blizzard giving OGN/MBC SC2 rights basically be blizzard stabbing GOM in the back and leaving them out to dry? For one I can't see GOM competing with OGN/MBC in broadcast/production values.


Seriously? The GSL has really good production values with behind-the-scenes documentaries about players and K-pop concerts. I only really watched Brood War via the Violetak account or nukethestars. What have I been missing?


If you watch games live, you'll realize that MSL and OSL has all of those, especially during their respective SLs.


but what they dont have is english commentators. if they add that and subtitles maybe then i would love that.

They broadcast live and unscripted, you can't subtitle that. And I much much prefer the korean commentators to any english commentator.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
May 09 2011 17:45 GMT
#349
On May 10 2011 02:40 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 02:36 Suisen wrote:
Finally Blizzard caved in and gave up. This seems very well to have been the product of SC2's failure, like the Korean journalists seem to suggest. Without SC2 having any chance to replace SC BW, there no longer was the incentive for Blizzard to drive this issue off a cliff. The risk of becoming permanent enemies with the Korean infrastructure as well as losing in court must have made them to accept the standard license fee and abandon this idea of intellectual property of esports matches being the property of the developers because they foresaw and programmed in the game every move the player could choose to make.

Kespa, thank you thank you for protecting the rights of our players and defeating Blizzard. We all owe you once again.
The community shouldn't soon forget Kespa for what they did for us here and give them some more leniency in the future if a fan favorite like Backho gets QDed because of his own mistake.


That was an...interesting interpretation of what happen. Completely wrong, but interesting.

Hahahaha, yea. That sad thing is seeing just how many people view it like this in past threads.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
May 09 2011 17:46 GMT
#350
On May 10 2011 02:36 Suisen wrote:
Finally Blizzard caved in and gave up. This seems very well to have been the product of SC2's failure, like the Korean journalists seem to suggest. Without SC2 having any chance to replace SC BW, there no longer was the incentive for Blizzard to drive this issue off a cliff. The risk of becoming permanent enemies with the Korean infrastructure as well as losing in court must have made them to accept the standard license fee and abandon this idea of intellectual property of esports matches being the property of the developers because they foresaw and programmed in the game every move the player could choose to make.

Kespa, thank you thank you for protecting the rights of our players and defeating Blizzard. We all owe you once again.
The community shouldn't soon forget Kespa for what they did for us here and give them some more leniency in the future if a fan favorite like Backho gets QDed because of his own mistake.

Kespa gave up, actually
Suisen
Profile Joined April 2011
256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 17:51:27
May 09 2011 17:49 GMT
#351
On May 10 2011 02:46 syllogism wrote:
Kespa gave up, actually


Where does it say Kespa and OGN/MBC stop doing SC BW?

Things will go back to how they used to be before SC2. Blizzard will again accept the standard license fee and give up on this concept that they have intellectual property over the esports matches the players produce.

Next step will be Blizzard stopping their huge funds to Gomtv and handing over SC2 to Kespa/OGN/MBC. Only then we will learn what is the true potential of SC2 to compete with SC BW.

I thank Blizzard for being so incompetent and extending the life of SC BW for another few years because of this silly legal argument then now have abandoned.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
May 09 2011 17:49 GMT
#352
On May 09 2011 21:22 zul wrote:
Both tv networks have agreed to give exposure to blizzard with the logo, and the license fee will be given to Blizzard each year, the fee is unspecified at this time.

Looks like OGN/MBC gave in, makes me sad
Should have just ignored Blizzard...
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 17:51:28
May 09 2011 17:50 GMT
#353
Hmmm, didn't know my sarcastic response would stir things up that badly :O

Sorry about that.

But no, I don't hate SC2. I'm just skeptical about the entire thing.

Also: It's pretty clear Blizzard was the one who gave up -- there were rumors about how Blizzard initiated contact with KeSPA to act as a mediator to talk to broadcasting stations. Don't think KeSPA gave up anything. If you don't think other wise... then you're free to believe whatever you want but given the articles that have been out I'm 99.9% confident my story is correct.

But until we get something official (which we will soon), there's nothing for certain.
Atticus.axl
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
May 09 2011 17:52 GMT
#354
Yes! Long live Brood War ^_______^
DoctorHelvetica <3
Suisen
Profile Joined April 2011
256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 17:54:46
May 09 2011 17:53 GMT
#355
How is showing a Blizzard logo caving in? The dispute had very serious matters at hand that threatened the viability of esports. Yet you focus on logos which are just formality. It seems that right now maybe they will pay a bit more than before and show Blizzard logos. What else changed? Are the players under contract with Blizzard? Does Blizzard get access to the players? Does Blizzard get to dictate what will be broadcasted when? Does Blizzard get veto power over all SC issues inside Kespa? Does Blizzard get to audit the finances of Kespa and all teams?

The whole issue of intellectual property and trying to shut down SC BW, Blizzard abandoned.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
May 09 2011 17:53 GMT
#356
On May 10 2011 02:49 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 21:22 zul wrote:
Both tv networks have agreed to give exposure to blizzard with the logo, and the license fee will be given to Blizzard each year, the fee is unspecified at this time.

Looks like OGN/MBC gave in, makes me sad
Should have just ignored Blizzard...

OGN and MBC were willing to pay a license fee but the disagreements were about the actual frequency/amount of the fee as well as some other conditions that Blizzard wanted.
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Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
May 09 2011 17:53 GMT
#357
Interesting article, I followed the discussion as it moved from SC2 forums to BW forums.

As I see it, the news has no relation to SC2 whatsoever, except the possibility that KeSPA will incite less negative press about it, and will definitely benefit Broodwar as Sponsors can now support it without having to worry about a a pending court case regarding the broadcasting.

I really think most BW enthusiasts don't think negatively about SC2, they just don't care for it, so having it and its fans barge in on BW related issues like some newly born spoiled child is annoying at times.

Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
May 09 2011 17:57 GMT
#358
On May 10 2011 02:49 Suisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 02:46 syllogism wrote:
Kespa gave up, actually


Where does it say Kespa and OGN/MBC stop doing SC BW?

Things will go back to how they used to be before SC2. Blizzard will again accept the standard license fee and give up on this concept that they have intellectual property over the esports matches the players produce.

Next step will be Blizzard stopping their huge funds to Gomtv and handing over SC2 to Kespa/OGN/MBC. Only then we will learn what is the true potential of SC2 to compete with SC BW.

I thank Blizzard for being so incompetent and extending the life of SC BW for another few years because of this silly legal argument then now have abandoned.

Blizzard got exactly what they wanted. The notion that blizzard wanted to kill BW was fiction.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
May 09 2011 17:58 GMT
#359
On May 10 2011 02:57 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 02:49 Suisen wrote:
On May 10 2011 02:46 syllogism wrote:
Kespa gave up, actually


Where does it say Kespa and OGN/MBC stop doing SC BW?

Things will go back to how they used to be before SC2. Blizzard will again accept the standard license fee and give up on this concept that they have intellectual property over the esports matches the players produce.

Next step will be Blizzard stopping their huge funds to Gomtv and handing over SC2 to Kespa/OGN/MBC. Only then we will learn what is the true potential of SC2 to compete with SC BW.

I thank Blizzard for being so incompetent and extending the life of SC BW for another few years because of this silly legal argument then now have abandoned.

Blizzard got exactly what they wanted. The notion that blizzard wanted to kill BW was fiction.

Blizzard got far from exactly what they wanted, considering they wanted 100% rights.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
May 09 2011 17:59 GMT
#360
On May 10 2011 02:57 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 02:49 Suisen wrote:
On May 10 2011 02:46 syllogism wrote:
Kespa gave up, actually


Where does it say Kespa and OGN/MBC stop doing SC BW?

Things will go back to how they used to be before SC2. Blizzard will again accept the standard license fee and give up on this concept that they have intellectual property over the esports matches the players produce.

Next step will be Blizzard stopping their huge funds to Gomtv and handing over SC2 to Kespa/OGN/MBC. Only then we will learn what is the true potential of SC2 to compete with SC BW.

I thank Blizzard for being so incompetent and extending the life of SC BW for another few years because of this silly legal argument then now have abandoned.

Blizzard got exactly what they wanted. The notion that blizzard wanted to kill BW was fiction.

How would you know whether they got exactly what they wanted when you don't even know the details of their settlement. lol
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