EPTKeSPA and Blizzard dispute ending? - Page 20
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On May 10 2011 03:14 Milkis wrote: WELL... if you go look up all the posts and translations i've did on the subject maybe you'll realize I'm much more informed about this subject than you or what is revealed in the OP lol Blizzard did not want money and they have cited this many many many many times. Bah, I'll bite. First, I've read whats been posted on TL and a little bit more about the issue. Does that qualify as worthy of talking to you? Even if you were much more well-read on the subject (which im well aware of is quite a possibility), taking the "i know more than you lol therefore i dont need to reply to you lol"-route is pretty uncool and not a road any serious dicussion should take. If you're willing to change i'd be happy about it, otherwise feel free to get the last word and i'll leave the thread. Second, you stated yourself Blizzard wants money. Heres a little something from one of your theads: The last argument has to do with the negotiation attitudes. Both broadcasting stations have mentioned before that Blizzard is demanding things that goes beyond their rights. They pointed out that Blizzard has asked for not just for royalties, but also for fees to run tournaments and broadcasting fees. Furthermore, Blizzard wants to supervise broadcasts and even demands the right to audit the broadcasting stations. How is "royalties" and "fees" not money? And the OP doesnt reveal how much of those royalties or fees Blizz would get, hence we cant really draw any conclusion about it. | ||
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On May 10 2011 03:09 Kreb wrote: They didnt want rights. If they wanted rights they'd never have offered rights for money in the first place. They offered rights in return for money, and unless you have any numbers on exactly how much money Blizz got, theres no way to interpret who "caved in". If Blizz got anywhere near their initial demand, they're sure as hell gonna walk away from this whole agreement with a smile on their face. And really, you seem to be awfully sure about everything (99% sure to be exact) considering you have the same amount of info (the OP) as the rest of us. Care to explain what makes you so sure? As far as I can tell, Blizz could have got practically everything they asked for, or practically nothing. The OP doesnt reveal more. Milkis I think answered accurately, but ya, never was about the money. The fees requested were kinda a joke, for both parties, but over the last few years it was often brought up, mostly by KeSPA (stating they couldn't afford them) to get player support. The real major points of contention were the 1yr renewable contracts for each tournament and Acknowledging Blizzards IP rights in the matter. Those two points kept them pretty much in a deadlock for quite some time. Obviously the imminent court date pushed for some breakthroughs. We know that the second point got fully conceeded which just leaves the terms of the deal. That second point is worth a lot of money to Blizzard because it effectively gags KeSPA from commenting on other Blizzard products like GOM or HotS. Blizzard also won't look like the bad guys that killed Proleague. So who knows, maybe Blizzard threw a bone in the form of a good deal so they could keep running the various BW leagues. Either way, we (the viewers) all win. Feel free to interpret the news however you want. | ||
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On May 09 2011 22:36 Milkis wrote: Here's a rough way of estimating. TSL gets 50K viewers. Given that they have 50K viewers, let's say not everyone can watch it at the same time. I'll be generous, and say that there are 10x the number of people who can't catch it live, so 50K * 10x = 500K SC2 "esports" fans. BW TV stations still gets like 0.7% ratings in Korea or something, much higher for bigger games (SKT vs KT matches regularly top ratings), and most of the scene is based on online watching. Given Korea's population of 40 mil that's still easily like 400K. I want to add: Looking at the top SC video site(plu) in China, a top BW match has roughly 4xtimes more views than a top SC2 match. This figure is up-to-date. | ||
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On May 10 2011 04:00 Furycrab wrote: Milkis I think answered accurately, but ya, never was about the money. The fees requested were kinda a joke, for both parties, but over the last few years it was often brought up, mostly by KeSPA (stating they couldn't afford them) to get player support. The real major points of contention were the 1yr renewable contracts for each tournament and Acknowledging Blizzards IP rights in the matter. Those two points kept them pretty much in a deadlock for quite some time. Obviously the imminent court date pushed for some breakthroughs. We know that the second point got fully conceeded which just leaves the terms of the deal. That second point is worth a lot of money to Blizzard because it effectively gags KeSPA from commenting on other Blizzard products like GOM or HotS. Blizzard also won't look like the bad guys that killed Proleague. So who knows, maybe Blizzard threw a bone in the form of a good deal so they could keep running the various BW leagues. Either way, we (the viewers) all win. Feel free to interpret the news however you want. That was a much more informative post at least. Thanks. | ||
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On May 10 2011 03:47 Kreb wrote: Bah, I'll bite. First, I've read whats been posted on TL and a little bit more about the issue. Does that qualify as worthy of talking to you? Even if you were much more well-read on the subject (which im well aware of is quite a possibility), taking the "i know more than you lol therefore i dont need to reply to you lol"-route is pretty uncool and not a road any serious dicussion should take. If you're willing to change i'd be happy about it, otherwise feel free to get the last word and i'll leave the thread. Second, you stated yourself Blizzard wants money. Heres a little something from one of your theads: How is "royalties" and "fees" not money? And the OP doesnt reveal how much of those royalties or fees Blizz would get, hence we cant really draw any conclusion about it. - It is said Blizzard wants at least 700,000,000 won from the Korean market. Is that true? And why is this IP rights problem only in South Korea? * The licensing fee is there to say that if they wish to use our content, they need to be capable of producing high quality content. When problems relating to intellectual rights is dealt with, the fee can be adjusted as needed. GomTV seems to have requested a fair amount as well. MBCGame and OGN are both ignoring our intellectual rights as well as not participating properly in the negotiations. Once the IP rights problem is dealt with, GomTV and Blizzard can adjust the licensing fee. This is not for the profits, but to protect our IP rights. To operate a business, it is important, as the holder of the IP, to get our IP rights protected. All markets, including South Korea, request the rights to use our content. Of course, we cannot state exactly how much they needed to pay, but other markets do also pay as well. China and Taiwan came to us first, to get the license needed. We will finalize the licensing for broadcasting as well. It is not right to say that China has different situation than South Korea. This is same anywhere else including Europe. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=173542 | ||
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On May 10 2011 04:19 Barrin wrote: I am sincerely disappointed that there is so much animosity between the BW community and the SC2 community. I personally love both games, and even though I don't watch BW much anymore I still want both communities to thrive in harmony (which is why I am satisfied with this news). I really feel like the fans' attitudes are the biggest reason why they can't coexist. A shame really. Honestly, if Blizzard fixes the game in the next two expansions, you'll see almost all that animosity disappear. Most of the SC2 hate comes from the BW camp because we want it to be a worthy successor- not just a watered down RTS riding on the coattails of BW, which IMO is all it is right now. | ||
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