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aDd3z
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany885 Posts
May 09 2011 19:31 GMT
#401
Starcraft 2 OSL and MSL plox thx
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Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
May 09 2011 19:37 GMT
#402
On May 09 2011 23:39 Captain Peabody wrote:
AMAZING news, if this is true. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed until we have official confirmation, though.

BW vs SC2 debates just make me angry. Soooooo much ignorance on both sides.

BW is definitely more popular in Korea than SC2 at the moment, though SC2 seems to have a very healthy niche scene there and is growing rapidly.
BW requires lots of skill, is much more developed as an e-sport than SC2 at the moment, and is a good game. SC2 requires lots of skill, is developing at an exponential rate, and is a good game. So sayeth we all.


The best response in this thread. Sums up the whole thing.
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 19:42:47
May 09 2011 19:38 GMT
#403
On May 10 2011 04:37 Bleak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 23:39 Captain Peabody wrote:
AMAZING news, if this is true. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed until we have official confirmation, though.

BW vs SC2 debates just make me angry. Soooooo much ignorance on both sides.

BW is definitely more popular in Korea than SC2 at the moment, though SC2 seems to have a very healthy niche scene there and is growing rapidly.
BW requires lots of skill, is much more developed as an e-sport than SC2 at the moment, and is a good game. SC2 requires lots of skill, is developing at an exponential rate, and is a good game. So sayeth we all.


The best response in this thread. Sums up the whole thing.


Agreed but he forgot to add that neither Blizzard nor Kespa are actually from the fourth circle of hell.
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Tracedragon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States948 Posts
May 09 2011 19:38 GMT
#404
OMG does that mean there's going to be SCII OSL and MSL? <3~
Do the impossible, see the invisible. Row, row, fight the power!
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 19:44:58
May 09 2011 19:41 GMT
#405
Hmmm... upper GOMTV must be shitting their pants right now. They must have known that Blizz basically used them as a tool during the kespa/blizz fight. Now that the fight is over, there is no need to keep paying the thugs?

Once MBC and OGN starts their own SC2 stuff, I don't see how GOMTV's SC2 will survive. Yeah I know GOMTV still have exclusive rights to SC2, but you got to agree that Blizz is not entirely happy with the GOMTV GSL results.

edit: I hope that one of the reason why Blizz conceded is because they want the true TOP sc players to voice their opinion so we can have a better SC2.
Thurokiir
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
May 09 2011 19:41 GMT
#406
On May 10 2011 04:37 Bleak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 23:39 Captain Peabody wrote:
AMAZING news, if this is true. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed until we have official confirmation, though.

BW vs SC2 debates just make me angry. Soooooo much ignorance on both sides.

BW is definitely more popular in Korea than SC2 at the moment, though SC2 seems to have a very healthy niche scene there and is growing rapidly.
BW requires lots of skill, is much more developed as an e-sport than SC2 at the moment, and is a good game. SC2 requires lots of skill, is developing at an exponential rate, and is a good game. So sayeth we all.


The best response in this thread. Sums up the whole thing.


Signed. The boards could use more amicable posts and solutions vs. blind vitriol and arguments here's hopin KeSPA will allow SC2 action on the rest of the korean networks.
Tahts halo dont worry
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
May 09 2011 19:42 GMT
#407
On May 10 2011 04:31 aDd3z wrote:
Starcraft 2 OSL and MSL plox thx

I'm curious what this mean for Gom's exclusive rights to SC2. Will they continue to be the only SC2 league in Korea or will OGN or MBC test the waters with their own SC2 content in the future?

It kind of opens up the doors, and I wonder if it means they have come to the realization that Gom is not capable of getting SC2 out there in Korea by themselves.
FrozenSolid
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland134 Posts
May 09 2011 19:47 GMT
#408
Captain Peabody has it right.

A solidified future for the BW scene is absolutely great news. My hope to see FlaSh/Jaedong get a diamond mouse is still in the running!

A unified ESPORTS scene is also the best bet of us seeing our favorite games rise in popularity along with our favorite community website (<3). While KeSPA and Blizzard are probably still far away from having amicable relations, this is certainly a step forward.

News like this make me overly optimistic, not that I mind one bit. Perhaps we can even see a resurrection of the Liquid` Broodwar team in the future? Who knows?
Sometimes it's better to be good than it is to be lucky and sometimes it's better to be lucky than it is to be good.
ScaSully
Profile Joined April 2011
United States488 Posts
May 09 2011 19:47 GMT
#409
we can finally see some new cool stuff coming out if this is the case
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
May 09 2011 19:51 GMT
#410
On May 09 2011 21:26 Puosu wrote:
Hell, it's about time.

Overused, yes, but so very appropriate.


Indeed
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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 19:54:23
May 09 2011 19:53 GMT
#411
On May 10 2011 04:25 erin[go]bragh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 04:19 Barrin wrote:
I am sincerely disappointed that there is so much animosity between the BW community and the SC2 community. I personally love both games, and even though I don't watch BW much anymore I still want both communities to thrive in harmony (which is why I am satisfied with this news). I really feel like the fans' attitudes are the biggest reason why they can't coexist. A shame really.


Honestly, if Blizzard fixes the game in the next two expansions, you'll see almost all that animosity disappear. Most of the SC2 hate comes from the BW camp because we want it to be a worthy successor- not just a watered down RTS riding on the coattails of BW, which IMO is all it is right now.


(It's been a few hours)

Nah, unfortunately. If SC2 becomes too much like BW, then there's redundancy, and either SC2 will fail as an inferior clone or BW will fail as a game that's surpassed (the first option is much more likely, ofc).

Best result is that SC2 becomes fun in ways BW isn't and doesn't do things BW does well, and the two games are like hockey and basketball. Kind of similar, but really different games. And then there'll still be Brood War fans saying that SC2 doesn't require you to be able to ice skate and SC2 fans'll say the net's bigger, and forum posters will say the metaphor's running away from me.

Right now there's a consensus that BW is the better game (us SC2 fans think our game is good, and evolving very fast, and BW fans think it sucks and anyone who plays it deserves public mockery and beatings). When SC2 vs BW games are actually about which game is currently better, as opposed to which game will be better in 5 years, e-sports will be in a good place.

On May 10 2011 04:37 Bleak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 23:39 Captain Peabody wrote:
AMAZING news, if this is true. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed until we have official confirmation, though.

BW vs SC2 debates just make me angry. Soooooo much ignorance on both sides.

BW is definitely more popular in Korea than SC2 at the moment, though SC2 seems to have a very healthy niche scene there and is growing rapidly.
BW requires lots of skill, is much more developed as an e-sport than SC2 at the moment, and is a good game. SC2 requires lots of skill, is developing at an exponential rate, and is a good game. So sayeth we all.


The best response in this thread. Sums up the whole thing.


Agreed
BtBEviL
Profile Joined February 2010
Brazil35 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 19:59:02
May 09 2011 19:57 GMT
#412
All the talk about sc2 makes me angry.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 20:04:22
May 09 2011 20:02 GMT
#413
Sorry guys I'm dumb please explain what will happen?

The dispute over the intellectual property rights surfaced when Blizzard gave GOMTV the exclusive rights over starcraft 1 and 2. The agreement is believed to have arrived due to starcraft2’s failure to be embraced by the Korean fans. We can certainly hope that the Korean e-sports looks brighter than ever!"


I don't get the "failure to be embraced" part. So Blizz and the two TV channels agreed so that they can promote/air Starcraft 2??? IF SO THEN OMG NICE


Edit:

Hey now, stop pointing fingers at GOM... we all know the conflicts GOM/Blizzard had with Kespa/MBC/OGN , so don't blame GOM for "failing". They did well but the competition of an already established eSport on TV kept SC2 from rising.
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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
May 09 2011 20:07 GMT
#414
Murky, but still awesome.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
May 09 2011 20:07 GMT
#415
On May 10 2011 05:02 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Sorry guys I'm dumb please explain what will happen?

Show nested quote +
The dispute over the intellectual property rights surfaced when Blizzard gave GOMTV the exclusive rights over starcraft 1 and 2. The agreement is believed to have arrived due to starcraft2’s failure to be embraced by the Korean fans. We can certainly hope that the Korean e-sports looks brighter than ever!"


I don't get the "failure to be embraced" part. So Blizz and the two TV channels agreed so that they can promote/air Starcraft 2??? IF SO THEN OMG NICE


Edit:

Hey now, stop pointing fingers at GOM... we all know the conflicts GOM/Blizzard had with Kespa/MBC/OGN , so don't blame GOM for "failing". They did well but the competition of an already established eSport on TV kept SC2 from rising.

It's a very biased translation. SC2 is no failure in Korea at all, but is not as big as BW. This will most likely help SC2 on the way though while not damaging the BW scene.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
May 09 2011 20:12 GMT
#416
Please continue discussion in this thread thanks!
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