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On May 10 2011 01:58 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:53 darmousseh wrote:On May 09 2011 22:19 Milkis wrote:On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is. no offence but in due time the SC2 bubble will die and everything you thought was stable will disappear and the SC2 scene will be only a shell of what is around now. let me know if sc2 lasts 10 years, because it wont. What the heck are you talking about? I played sc2 when it came out and i had 1 friend who played with me. Almost a year later and now I have 8 friends who play the game and they all have started to watch pro games. From my perspective, the game is getting bigger and more popular. Unless there is an adequate replacement, sc2 is going to be popular for a loooong time. Maybe not in korea, but that doesn't matter to me. What he means is that it might go the way of the Warcraft III, which also was hugely popular, highly anticipated, money everywhere, but ended up being a shell of its former self, except in China perhaps, but Dota reigns supreme there, not Warcraft III itself. Sponsors realized that there was no money in it, so they pulled out, massivly, the bubble exploded, and now WCIII is merely a shadow of its former self. What he means is that he wants to turn the thread into yet another BW vs SC2 flamewar. Which he did quite successfully, not that it's hard.
Sigh, the guy provoked it, a harsh response on the BW forums insulting BW, ofcourse he responses such. This is the BW forums, don't expect anything different then people defending BW and disregarding SC2.
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On May 10 2011 02:01 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 10 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:53 darmousseh wrote:On May 09 2011 22:19 Milkis wrote:On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is. no offence but in due time the SC2 bubble will die and everything you thought was stable will disappear and the SC2 scene will be only a shell of what is around now. let me know if sc2 lasts 10 years, because it wont. What the heck are you talking about? I played sc2 when it came out and i had 1 friend who played with me. Almost a year later and now I have 8 friends who play the game and they all have started to watch pro games. From my perspective, the game is getting bigger and more popular. Unless there is an adequate replacement, sc2 is going to be popular for a loooong time. Maybe not in korea, but that doesn't matter to me. What he means is that it might go the way of the Warcraft III, which also was hugely popular, highly anticipated, money everywhere, but ended up being a shell of its former self, except in China perhaps, but Dota reigns supreme there, not Warcraft III itself. Sponsors realized that there was no money in it, so they pulled out, massivly, the bubble exploded, and now WCIII is merely a shadow of its former self. What he means is that he wants to turn the thread into yet another BW vs SC2 flamewar. Which he did quite successfully, not that it's hard. Sigh, the guy provoked it, a harsh response on the BW forums insulting BW, ofcourse he responses such. This is the BW forums, don't expect anything different then people defending BW and disregarding SC2.
This thread was originally posted in the SC2 forums, which is where it was when Milkis showed up.
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On May 10 2011 02:03 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 02:01 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 10 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:53 darmousseh wrote:On May 09 2011 22:19 Milkis wrote:On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is. no offence but in due time the SC2 bubble will die and everything you thought was stable will disappear and the SC2 scene will be only a shell of what is around now. let me know if sc2 lasts 10 years, because it wont. What the heck are you talking about? I played sc2 when it came out and i had 1 friend who played with me. Almost a year later and now I have 8 friends who play the game and they all have started to watch pro games. From my perspective, the game is getting bigger and more popular. Unless there is an adequate replacement, sc2 is going to be popular for a loooong time. Maybe not in korea, but that doesn't matter to me. What he means is that it might go the way of the Warcraft III, which also was hugely popular, highly anticipated, money everywhere, but ended up being a shell of its former self, except in China perhaps, but Dota reigns supreme there, not Warcraft III itself. Sponsors realized that there was no money in it, so they pulled out, massivly, the bubble exploded, and now WCIII is merely a shadow of its former self. What he means is that he wants to turn the thread into yet another BW vs SC2 flamewar. Which he did quite successfully, not that it's hard. Sigh, the guy provoked it, a harsh response on the BW forums insulting BW, ofcourse he responses such. This is the BW forums, don't expect anything different then people defending BW and disregarding SC2. This thread was originally posted in the SC2 forums, which is where it was when Milkis showed up.
Fair enough, forgot that, still it is pretty insulting, a harsh post sometimes needs to be confronted with another harsh post. It concerned BW being ''free'', don't expect BW people to just stand while we get insulted.
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Yay! This is great news, I'm glad that it's finally over. Now the race to 300 wins that Flash talked about is secure 
Anyway in my opinion it HAD to end in this fashion; between OGN / MBC / KeSPA, and all their sponsors, there's too much money and too many interests involved. I'm no law expert but all in all I believe that this whole case did end relatively well for both parties
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if ongamnet and mbc start broadcasting sc2 imma be pissed
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On May 10 2011 02:01 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 10 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:53 darmousseh wrote:On May 09 2011 22:19 Milkis wrote:On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is. no offence but in due time the SC2 bubble will die and everything you thought was stable will disappear and the SC2 scene will be only a shell of what is around now. let me know if sc2 lasts 10 years, because it wont. What the heck are you talking about? I played sc2 when it came out and i had 1 friend who played with me. Almost a year later and now I have 8 friends who play the game and they all have started to watch pro games. From my perspective, the game is getting bigger and more popular. Unless there is an adequate replacement, sc2 is going to be popular for a loooong time. Maybe not in korea, but that doesn't matter to me. What he means is that it might go the way of the Warcraft III, which also was hugely popular, highly anticipated, money everywhere, but ended up being a shell of its former self, except in China perhaps, but Dota reigns supreme there, not Warcraft III itself. Sponsors realized that there was no money in it, so they pulled out, massivly, the bubble exploded, and now WCIII is merely a shadow of its former self. What he means is that he wants to turn the thread into yet another BW vs SC2 flamewar. Which he did quite successfully, not that it's hard. Sigh, the guy provoked it, a harsh response on the BW forums insulting BW, ofcourse he responses such. This is the BW forums, don't expect anything different then people defending BW and disregarding SC2.
Krehlmar's post didn't insult BW. BW won't grow esports outside of Korea, that's a fact not an oppinion.
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On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is.
How is this not insulting?
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great news. bw is free. also sc2 can become bigger
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I don't really want to contribute to the flame war, but I do have to make one point. Brood War isn't gonna last forever, and I'm sure you all know that. This is only the beginning of SC2, it WILL get better for you BW folks. And it will inevitably rise, there's no doubt to that. Juss' sayin'.
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On May 10 2011 02:04 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 02:03 Ribbon wrote:On May 10 2011 02:01 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 10 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:53 darmousseh wrote:On May 09 2011 22:19 Milkis wrote:On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is. no offence but in due time the SC2 bubble will die and everything you thought was stable will disappear and the SC2 scene will be only a shell of what is around now. let me know if sc2 lasts 10 years, because it wont. What the heck are you talking about? I played sc2 when it came out and i had 1 friend who played with me. Almost a year later and now I have 8 friends who play the game and they all have started to watch pro games. From my perspective, the game is getting bigger and more popular. Unless there is an adequate replacement, sc2 is going to be popular for a loooong time. Maybe not in korea, but that doesn't matter to me. What he means is that it might go the way of the Warcraft III, which also was hugely popular, highly anticipated, money everywhere, but ended up being a shell of its former self, except in China perhaps, but Dota reigns supreme there, not Warcraft III itself. Sponsors realized that there was no money in it, so they pulled out, massivly, the bubble exploded, and now WCIII is merely a shadow of its former self. What he means is that he wants to turn the thread into yet another BW vs SC2 flamewar. Which he did quite successfully, not that it's hard. Sigh, the guy provoked it, a harsh response on the BW forums insulting BW, ofcourse he responses such. This is the BW forums, don't expect anything different then people defending BW and disregarding SC2. This thread was originally posted in the SC2 forums, which is where it was when Milkis showed up. Fair enough, forgot that, still it is pretty insulting, a harsh post sometimes needs to be confronted with another harsh post.
I just don't understand why milkis is trying to provoke a reaction. SC2 and SCBW are both great games. SCBW has had time and effort to solidify itself as the premier RTS in korea, but sc2 is starting out great. W3 had problems being a competitive sport since it was very difficult to balance, however, sc2 has had competitive multiplayer at the front the entire time. Blizzard will be investing in sc2 for the next 3 years anyway, so trying to make it the best game possible and best esport should be the goal.
SC2 has a lot of hype around it, but that's the only way it can succeed. GOMTV has done a great job promoting the game and I hope that the success continues. I also enjoy watching SCBW games (mostly just the finals) but there's no reason both can't exist at the same time.
For the negotiations i'm guessing it's something like
Blizzard gets a certain dollar amount.
Kespa must put the blizzard logo and show a short clip about sc2 every X minutes (probably every hour of broadcasting).
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On May 10 2011 02:18 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 02:04 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 02:03 Ribbon wrote:On May 10 2011 02:01 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 10 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:53 darmousseh wrote:On May 09 2011 22:19 Milkis wrote:On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is. no offence but in due time the SC2 bubble will die and everything you thought was stable will disappear and the SC2 scene will be only a shell of what is around now. let me know if sc2 lasts 10 years, because it wont. What the heck are you talking about? I played sc2 when it came out and i had 1 friend who played with me. Almost a year later and now I have 8 friends who play the game and they all have started to watch pro games. From my perspective, the game is getting bigger and more popular. Unless there is an adequate replacement, sc2 is going to be popular for a loooong time. Maybe not in korea, but that doesn't matter to me. What he means is that it might go the way of the Warcraft III, which also was hugely popular, highly anticipated, money everywhere, but ended up being a shell of its former self, except in China perhaps, but Dota reigns supreme there, not Warcraft III itself. Sponsors realized that there was no money in it, so they pulled out, massivly, the bubble exploded, and now WCIII is merely a shadow of its former self. What he means is that he wants to turn the thread into yet another BW vs SC2 flamewar. Which he did quite successfully, not that it's hard. Sigh, the guy provoked it, a harsh response on the BW forums insulting BW, ofcourse he responses such. This is the BW forums, don't expect anything different then people defending BW and disregarding SC2. This thread was originally posted in the SC2 forums, which is where it was when Milkis showed up. Fair enough, forgot that, still it is pretty insulting, a harsh post sometimes needs to be confronted with another harsh post. I just don't understand why milkis is trying to provoke a reaction. SC2 and SCBW are both great games. SCBW has had time and effort to solidify itself as the premier RTS in korea, but sc2 is starting out great. W3 had problems being a competitive sport since it was very difficult to balance, however, sc2 has had competitive multiplayer at the front the entire time. Blizzard will be investing in sc2 for the next 3 years anyway, so trying to make it the best game possible and best esport should be the goal. SC2 has a lot of hype around it, but that's the only way it can succeed. GOMTV has done a great job promoting the game and I hope that the success continues. I also enjoy watching SCBW games (mostly just the finals) but there's no reason both can't exist at the same time. For the negotiations i'm guessing it's something like Blizzard gets a certain dollar amount. Kespa must put the blizzard logo and show a short clip about sc2 every X minutes (probably every hour of broadcasting).
Khrelmar provoked a reaction
he got it.
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On May 10 2011 01:06 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Can 3 major SC2 leagues be sustainable at the this point in Korea?
just ask msl osl proleague. kespa seems to be able to handle 3 big events. imagine ms2l os2l gsl. would be sick. more players would wanna play, more sponsership, etc
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LONG LIVE BW!!!!
Hope this is the end of all the crap.
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On May 10 2011 02:15 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is. How is this not insulting?
He didn't say a bad word about BW as you said he did. He might have offended some fans, or to be more precise, SC2-haters - which Milkis proved to be the case.
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I don't think you people deserve to judge Milkis for what he posted, considering he probably knows more about progaming then most of us do and he is responsible for writing front page articles for Broodwar for a long long time.
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On May 10 2011 02:24 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 02:15 Kipsate wrote:On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is. How is this not insulting? He didn't say a bad word about BW as you said he did. He might have offended some fans, or to be more precise, SC2-haters - which Milkis proved to be the case.
He didnt?
He called BW fans stubborn
He basically said that we fail to realize that SC2 is big(we don't).
How is that not insulting?
He also said no offense, which is textbook , uh this is actually going to offend you, but ill just say that it won't.
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On May 10 2011 02:19 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 02:18 darmousseh wrote:On May 10 2011 02:04 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 02:03 Ribbon wrote:On May 10 2011 02:01 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 10 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:53 darmousseh wrote:On May 09 2011 22:19 Milkis wrote:On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is. no offence but in due time the SC2 bubble will die and everything you thought was stable will disappear and the SC2 scene will be only a shell of what is around now. let me know if sc2 lasts 10 years, because it wont. What the heck are you talking about? I played sc2 when it came out and i had 1 friend who played with me. Almost a year later and now I have 8 friends who play the game and they all have started to watch pro games. From my perspective, the game is getting bigger and more popular. Unless there is an adequate replacement, sc2 is going to be popular for a loooong time. Maybe not in korea, but that doesn't matter to me. What he means is that it might go the way of the Warcraft III, which also was hugely popular, highly anticipated, money everywhere, but ended up being a shell of its former self, except in China perhaps, but Dota reigns supreme there, not Warcraft III itself. Sponsors realized that there was no money in it, so they pulled out, massivly, the bubble exploded, and now WCIII is merely a shadow of its former self. What he means is that he wants to turn the thread into yet another BW vs SC2 flamewar. Which he did quite successfully, not that it's hard. Sigh, the guy provoked it, a harsh response on the BW forums insulting BW, ofcourse he responses such. This is the BW forums, don't expect anything different then people defending BW and disregarding SC2. This thread was originally posted in the SC2 forums, which is where it was when Milkis showed up. Fair enough, forgot that, still it is pretty insulting, a harsh post sometimes needs to be confronted with another harsh post. I just don't understand why milkis is trying to provoke a reaction. SC2 and SCBW are both great games. SCBW has had time and effort to solidify itself as the premier RTS in korea, but sc2 is starting out great. W3 had problems being a competitive sport since it was very difficult to balance, however, sc2 has had competitive multiplayer at the front the entire time. Blizzard will be investing in sc2 for the next 3 years anyway, so trying to make it the best game possible and best esport should be the goal. SC2 has a lot of hype around it, but that's the only way it can succeed. GOMTV has done a great job promoting the game and I hope that the success continues. I also enjoy watching SCBW games (mostly just the finals) but there's no reason both can't exist at the same time. For the negotiations i'm guessing it's something like Blizzard gets a certain dollar amount. Kespa must put the blizzard logo and show a short clip about sc2 every X minutes (probably every hour of broadcasting). Khrelmar provoked a reaction he got it.
Oh my Christ, are we seriously having a flame war about the flame war we just had?
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On May 10 2011 02:26 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 02:19 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 02:18 darmousseh wrote:On May 10 2011 02:04 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 02:03 Ribbon wrote:On May 10 2011 02:01 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:58 Ribbon wrote:On May 10 2011 01:56 Kipsate wrote:On May 10 2011 01:53 darmousseh wrote:On May 09 2011 22:19 Milkis wrote:
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no offence but in due time the SC2 bubble will die and everything you thought was stable will disappear and the SC2 scene will be only a shell of what is around now. let me know if sc2 lasts 10 years, because it wont. What the heck are you talking about? I played sc2 when it came out and i had 1 friend who played with me. Almost a year later and now I have 8 friends who play the game and they all have started to watch pro games. From my perspective, the game is getting bigger and more popular. Unless there is an adequate replacement, sc2 is going to be popular for a loooong time. Maybe not in korea, but that doesn't matter to me. What he means is that it might go the way of the Warcraft III, which also was hugely popular, highly anticipated, money everywhere, but ended up being a shell of its former self, except in China perhaps, but Dota reigns supreme there, not Warcraft III itself. Sponsors realized that there was no money in it, so they pulled out, massivly, the bubble exploded, and now WCIII is merely a shadow of its former self. What he means is that he wants to turn the thread into yet another BW vs SC2 flamewar. Which he did quite successfully, not that it's hard. Sigh, the guy provoked it, a harsh response on the BW forums insulting BW, ofcourse he responses such. This is the BW forums, don't expect anything different then people defending BW and disregarding SC2. This thread was originally posted in the SC2 forums, which is where it was when Milkis showed up. Fair enough, forgot that, still it is pretty insulting, a harsh post sometimes needs to be confronted with another harsh post. I just don't understand why milkis is trying to provoke a reaction. SC2 and SCBW are both great games. SCBW has had time and effort to solidify itself as the premier RTS in korea, but sc2 is starting out great. W3 had problems being a competitive sport since it was very difficult to balance, however, sc2 has had competitive multiplayer at the front the entire time. Blizzard will be investing in sc2 for the next 3 years anyway, so trying to make it the best game possible and best esport should be the goal. SC2 has a lot of hype around it, but that's the only way it can succeed. GOMTV has done a great job promoting the game and I hope that the success continues. I also enjoy watching SCBW games (mostly just the finals) but there's no reason both can't exist at the same time. For the negotiations i'm guessing it's something like Blizzard gets a certain dollar amount. Kespa must put the blizzard logo and show a short clip about sc2 every X minutes (probably every hour of broadcasting). Khrelmar provoked a reaction he got it. Oh my Christ, are we seriously having a flame war about the flame war we just had?
I thought I could end it with my explenation of Milkis his post, you continued it.
What he means is that he wants to turn the thread into yet another BW vs SC2 flamewar. Which he did quite successfully, not that it's hard.
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Ya Milkis is such a hater that he won't even get on iccup to play broodwar with us because he "only plays sc2 now". People are so ignorant.
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Activision Lulzzard (dont confuse it with old Blizzard)! Now you see that you cant control everything. Just get your money from KESPA for licence and get lost!
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