Mines don't do normal damage, they do explosive. The reason they do explosive is that they rape zealots even harder if they were concussive, and tanks own dragoons as it is, that would make a Terran push even more devastating. Mines (if changed to concussive) would be an extremely hard counter to zealots and tanks already a hard counter to dragoons.

zdragon

United States150 Posts

February 15 2003 17:51 GMT

#62

I just played a pretty intense PvZ on LT a few minutes ago. With most of the Temple mined, we were at a stalemate w/ his Ultra/Ling running rampant, but my forces were plentiful enough w/ Cannons to hold. I had to leave, so we drew, but after the game, I realized what I could have done to break the stalemate- Reavers. Storm is essentially worthless against Ultras,as Ultras size/speed basically negates all Storm effeciency. I wonder if putting down 2 Robo for Reavers could really be what Toss should do to beat Ultras.

IMO, I just don't see enough late game Reaver v Z...

Senff

United States360 Posts

February 15 2003 19:53 GMT

#63

I just recently saw one guy go 2 Gate early gas to a few Zealots, a few Goons, and 2 Reavers and a dropship against a Zerg player, and he walked all over the guy. It was in a top WGT game, but I can't remember which one, and I don't have it anymore. It was really neat though. I tried it, and it's a heck of a lot harder to pull off than it looks.

Anyone else actually read what Nazgul said? I agree with him. Toss needs another weapon VS Zerg, and then all other imbalances are map-based. The only problem with making Toss stronger VS Zerg is that it will also make island games much more in the Toss' favor, where it already is. They should just hold island tournaments.

IntoTheDrain

Australia46 Posts

February 15 2003 19:54 GMT

#64

On February 15 2003 22:05 DV8 wrote:

GOooood for you

, I know BGH newbies who can do the same, they also don't learn from their mistakes.

Thank you DV8, i am very proud of it too. Are you a BGH newbie? If so you can save replays and analyse them to learn from your mistakes.

Meta[SB]

United States59 Posts

February 15 2003 20:52 GMT

#65

i'd like them to up web time again
and make pool $150 again
and make tanks kill rines in 1 hit -- y dont they do that ~_~
whos with me?!

juhhA

United States295 Posts

February 15 2003 21:12 GMT

#66

The head bliz guy was in korea findoing out info from the progamers, mainly YellOw, I saw that picture to. I think thats the best thing the have done so far in an act to create a new patch, the pros no what needs to be done, and who ever said the races are in perfect ballance, your wrong. Pro wise do you see many Protoss's winning big tournys in kore or anything? Well I havent inform me if i am wrong -_-;;

aquanda

United States477 Posts

February 15 2003 23:00 GMT

#67

Pro_NT.Sonjjang is a protoss user. He's been doing very well recently. But he is just insanely good.

John

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

February 15 2003 23:42 GMT

#68

Toss and terran are equal in starleague wins :O (4:4), whilst zerg have ONE (1!)

ZERG IMBALANCE !! ULTRA 200000000 DAMAGE MARINE TOO CHEAP!
-____________________________________________________-

Regards FrozenArbiter

DV8

United States1623 Posts

February 16 2003 01:31 GMT

#69

On February 16 2003 04:54 IntoTheDrain wrote:

Thank you DV8, i am very proud of it too. Are you a BGH newbie? If so you can save replays and analyse them to learn from your mistakes.

Lol if I were Id be a step above you

at least I don't whine about race MUs for lack of strategy and skill.

Surv[CIA]

Belgium176 Posts

February 16 2003 02:13 GMT

#70

toss needs a jihad unit :p

Liquid`Drone

Norway28739 Posts

February 16 2003 19:02 GMT

#71

the zealot is a nice jihad unit.

(it even has an appropriate name. )

IntoTheDrain

Australia46 Posts

February 16 2003 19:26 GMT

#72

On February 16 2003 10:31 DV8 wrote:

Lol if I were Id be a step above you

at least I don't whine about race MUs for lack of strategy and skill.

I knew you were a newb.
Real gosus don't bother picking on or comment on whingers like me (and i was just stating my opinion btw ), they just ignore them, unlike you who seems to have something to prove with your big words. Now go and think of something better to put try put me down some more you chobo. I'll hear from you soon

DV8

United States1623 Posts

February 16 2003 20:13 GMT

#73

On February 17 2003 04:26 IntoTheDrain wrote:

I knew you were a newb.
Real gosus don't bother picking on or comment on whingers like me (and i was just stating my opinion btw ), they just ignore them, unlike you who seems to have something to prove with your big words. Now go and think of something better to put try put me down some more you chobo. I'll hear from you soon

And I am sure you know everything there is to know about "real gosus" besides I never once said I was a gosu. I unlike you am not disillusioned I know where my mistakes are and I won't use the excuse of a match up being imbalanced to make up for it, oh and lemme guess anyone who can beat you is hacker too right? Just accept the fact you suck and now the healing process can begin and you will learn from your mistakes.

BTW what the hell is a whinger

IntoTheDrain

Australia46 Posts

February 17 2003 01:01 GMT

#74

On February 17 2003 05:13 DV8 wrote:

And I am sure you know everything there is to know about "real gosus" besides I never once said I was a gosu. I unlike you am not disillusioned I know where my mistakes are and I won't use the excuse of a match up being imbalanced to make up for it, oh and lemme guess anyone who can beat you is hacker too right? Just accept the fact you suck and now the healing process can begin and you will learn from your mistakes.

BTW what the hell is a whinger

Yea you've never said you're a gosu cos you're prolly a newbie like me according to you. That's why you feel the need to be so tough. I don't use MUs as excuses to losses. If i lose it's time to say GG and that's that. I (along with many others) find that it's much harder to beat terran while playing toss compared to beating toss while playing terran. Same as TvZ. Many people on different levels agree Terran is too strong atm although it's just their opinion. The Toss or Zerg has to play much harder and take more risks to win a game. I don't find it hard at all to accept the fact that i may 'suck' but i believe i can agree and disagree with other people. You can go look up 'whinger' in a dictionary if you really wanna know.If you can't alphabetically find it, just start from W it shouldn't take too long,it's about half way or so.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

February 17 2003 01:27 GMT

#75

PvT is like the most balanced MU in the game-_-; It is all about practice/personal playing style.

Regards FrozenArbiter

Konni

Germany3044 Posts

February 17 2003 03:28 GMT

#76

I think TvT is very imbalanced, so what about making T stronger??? Or making weaker the other T??

Eliminator

Netherlands681 Posts

February 17 2003 03:56 GMT

#77

The thing that makes PvZ imbalanced on temple is that it fucking costs 2 storms to kill a lurk! ^&&^*%@#$. So either changed the lurk's HP or increase storm damage back to what it was. What were they thinking when they changed that?!

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

February 17 2003 04:15 GMT

#78

Toss owned everything when they killed lurks in one shot (in the beginning at least), though nowadays with better lurk spreading etc PERHAPS it could be brought back up. I dunno as I have never played (almost) with 125 dmg storm so I am not sure what effect it would have on gameplay-_-

Regards FrozenArbiter

DV8

United States1623 Posts

February 17 2003 14:53 GMT

#79

On February 17 2003 10:01 IntoTheDrain wrote:

Yea you've never said you're a gosu cos you're prolly a newbie like me according to you. That's why you feel the need to be so tough. I don't use MUs as excuses to losses. If i lose it's time to say GG and that's that. I (along with many others) find that it's much harder to beat terran while playing toss compared to beating toss while playing terran. Same as TvZ. Many people on different levels agree Terran is too strong atm although it's just their opinion. The Toss or Zerg has to play much harder and take more risks to win a game. I don't find it hard at all to accept the fact that i may 'suck' but i believe i can agree and disagree with other people. You can go look up 'whinger' in a dictionary if you really wanna know.If you can't alphabetically find it, just start from W it shouldn't take too long,it's about half way or so.

Now I know you have zero understanding of terran which is why you whine about them being strong, Before you post again please just please find a good toss which a decent understanding of the race than try and set up a good push against him, you will find there is more micro in setting up a push than it takes for a toss to break it up you will also learn that with each time a toss crushes your push its twice as hard to get it going again. Toss needs less micro better timing.
I'll admit when I was a complete newbie and playing toss I thought PvT was a hard matchup than I read Grrrr's guide back in the day and he wrote that PvT is a hard match up because of toss having powerful units and the rest I am unsure of, but when I read PvT was hard on terran I thought this guy is full of shit until I got better and learned what he was talking about.

I don't need to feel tough, please this is the internet who am I goin to impress? I am just clarifying the situation.