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IntoTheDrain
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Tassadar
United States45 Posts
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expostfacto
United States365 Posts
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HovZ
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4.Aiur
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NoNameLoser
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KiD[ReD]
Canada2103 Posts
Anyone that says Zerg is too strong - isn't the solution simple then? Just switch to Zerg. Don't whine. Anyone that says Protoss is too strong - isn't the solution simple then? Just switch to Protoss. Don't whine. Thanks, it gets annoying. | ||
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Ready2[ESC]
Hungary1436 Posts
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RedMeat
United Kingdom490 Posts
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
Doesn't the replay bug piss you off? When somebody else leaves a replay on b.net that i created, it says: Klogon has left the game. That's a bug that should be fixed. | ||
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Spirit-Rapide-
Norway152 Posts
It's well balanced and there is no need to make another patch. If there should come a new patch there should be a new function, with something like microphone support or something simillar to that. ^^ V | ||
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Redcloak
United States530 Posts
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RedMeat
United Kingdom490 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
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Nate
United States31 Posts
On February 14 2003 20:03 VultureBoy wrote: Anyone that says Terran is too strong - isn't the solution simple then? Just switch to Terran. Don't whine. Anyone that says Zerg is too strong - isn't the solution simple then? Just switch to Zerg. Don't whine. Anyone that says Protoss is too strong - isn't the solution simple then? Just switch to Protoss. Don't whine. Thanks, it gets annoying. No, just no. This is wrong on so many levels, I won't even elaborate. -- Nate | ||
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KiD[ReD]
Canada2103 Posts
Also, a few of you decided to whine anyhow - well have fun. This is the most annoying thing when I hear "Oh, Protoss is too weak wah wah wah" or terran is too strong or whatever, I'm so god damn sick of it! Then Reach wins ongamenet and you all get quiet.. well it will NEVER EVER EVER get more fair than it is now, so stop whining! Or go play warcraft 3 or something. | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
Everyone has a MU they have problems with, this just means you have problems with the MU not because of a racial imbalance. Some people are so reluctant to drop their losing habits they are happier stating there is a race imbalance. If cannon rush fails this doesnt make PvZ imbalanced, please for the love of god grow a pair and play the game instead of trying to win it with a gay rush every single time. | ||
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RedMeat
United Kingdom490 Posts
. I find they are usable sometimes but unless you are going for hive tech it is not worth buildings queen's nest just for queens (and if you are building hive tech you likely have an advantage anyways). | ||
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AK-Nemesis
2005 Posts
no look, seriously, wc3 needs a new 490325824 mb patch more than sc does. | ||
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Nate
United States31 Posts
On February 14 2003 21:22 AK-Nemesis wrote: hahhaa, wah wah wah.. no look, seriously, wc3 needs a new 490325824 mb patch more than sc does. it's not that WC3 needs a patch...it's the people that _play_ WC3 that need a patch -- Nate | ||
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
-____- I mean just lair tech (hydra/lurk mostly) isn't ALL that hard (to overcome). But when you have 3-3 crack and 3-5 ultra together with left over lurk hyd and some guards then you are really going to own (assuming u have a sufficent eco). Regards FrozenArbiter | ||
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ilnp
Iceland1330 Posts
i mean maybe ief you slowed barracks build time down by 10 seconds.. that would be ok or maybe tweaked with toss air a little bit (As the scout has more or less no use?) but ultimately i love bw the way it is and i wouldnt want any changes to fuck with the game :-( | ||
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RedMeat
United Kingdom490 Posts
 . Maybe I'm just wrong tho'  . | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
;D not really, but cracklings really do own  Regards FrozenArbiter | ||
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C)R
Canada549 Posts
On February 14 2003 19:31 HovZ wrote: intothedrain just because u lack the ability to play broodwar at a skilled level doesnt mean terran is too strong HovZ you're an ass | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
). Protoss is too weak vs Zerg, period. You can ask any 'top' Protoss or Zerg player about this and 90% of them will agree. Every other imbalance is created by the maps that are used in tournaments. | ||
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Pomozite
Croatia647 Posts
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
A patch can do more than just balance, it can also make the game more fun. | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
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IntoTheDrain
Australia46 Posts
On February 14 2003 19:31 HovZ wrote: intothedrain just because u lack the ability to play broodwar at a skilled level doesnt mean terran is too strong You don't even know me. And for those saying stfu, stop whinging and switch to the strongest race, that's not the point, I want the game more balanced. Turrets too cheap and strong, tanks too strong, spider mines too much value for $$, marine medics owning lings,hydras,mutas etc the list goes on. Yeah call me a whinger but i believe i can say what i think on a forum like this.  | ||
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OrangeTerran
United States963 Posts
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
But doing changes are far too complicated nowadays. Just please dont make storm any stronger, zerg players already have a hard time dealing with it. | ||
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cava
United States1035 Posts
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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Pomozite
Croatia647 Posts
On February 15 2003 02:51 ObsoleteLogic wrote: I just think Toss ought to use Dark Archons more often. DA are too expensive and it takes too much time and money to research maelstrom or mind control. If they were usefull gosus would use them. I tryied them few times, but thay suck. They require micro and in late game it is much better to storm well than use that red shit. | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
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HovZ
United States1917 Posts
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adObO_GoD
Philippines121 Posts
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Pomozite
Croatia647 Posts
On February 15 2003 06:34 adObO_GoD wrote: blizzard aint making the patch in like 1-2 years... And even if they do, they will just fix few bugs. They are making expansion pack for War3. It will take a lot time to debug and balance that shit, but that shit will make a lot money. | ||
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IntoTheDrain
Australia46 Posts
On February 15 2003 06:21 HovZ wrote: ya turrets should be 200 so that we cripple ourselfs in the process of preventing dt or reav harass, and mines shoud be toned down to 25 damage so as to make zeals more useful, and who needs medics, vanilla marines stop hydr lurk just fine, and whoever invented seige mode for tanks was definatly on drugs Nah hovz i think 200 minerals is definately too expensive for missile turrets, i think you haven't considered the price too carefully, and mines doing 25 damage is too little even i think so and medics shouldn't be taken out. Siege mode is good. I think you're not very bright, either that or you were being funny but it didn't quite work.  oh and DV8 i play all 3 races, and i'm not exactly a newbie btw so you can stop trying to be condescending over a computer game.  | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Also Dark archons rock. Pro's do use them, I have seen rain use them more than once. They are very good in the beginning (when you are likely to have hydras doing hit and run on your cannoned expo), good vs crack/ultra, good vs guardian, good vs the occasional zerg magic user. They are just overall really good. Regards FrozenArbiter | ||
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adObO_GoD
Philippines121 Posts
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adObO_GoD
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
Terran is not too strong! In my Opinion Z and P players just use wrong strats (vs ter) .. Example: Rekrul vs Elky. I'm not saying Rekrul played wrong (only few would have done better) but man this guy just runs again and again in Elkys mines and sieged tanks! Why doesn't he try to drop his main? Storm the nat (from the cliff) and use dt's ?? Don't understand that. For me it's way easier to hold my push than to defend 4 dt's dropped into my main. And for z users .. if i were u, i ALWAYS would try to use dark swarm. T has no possibility to stop that except irradiating. And have you ever tried to ensnare marines?? Just great About ZvP i only can say that i think P has to play smarter and not just run around with a large army to kill everything in sight. But i don't play Z or P so .. just my 2 cents | ||
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IntoTheDrain
Australia46 Posts
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RedMeat
United Kingdom490 Posts
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eSu.Macedon
Macedonia60 Posts
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
war3 is their major money maker and marquee product. given that they are working on ghost and balancing the war3 exp, the statistical probability of there being a major sc patch within the next year and a half is virtually nil. reason being that post expansion they will be focusing on the next major product and the expansion patches. | ||
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Nate
United States31 Posts
On February 15 2003 14:58 Casper... wrote: the statistical probability of there being a major sc patch within the next year and a half is virtually nil. reason being that post expansion they will be focusing on the next major product and the expansion patches. The statistical probability that I'm on east right now waiting to play brood war within the next minute is virtually one. Reason being that I don't want to do anything else right this minute. -- Nate | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28727 Posts
zerg should use more queens.. if toss started using queens a lot then the matchup would be altered even more in zergs favour regardless of if toss started using more da's. ensnare is soooooooooooo good (and it is really easy to cast, (much easier than storm), costs 100/100 for the upgrade (so do queens) and 75 energy... one guy mentioned ensnaring rines so they'd take longer to reach the expansion where you just lurker dropped the scvs, how about just ensnaring the scvs so they take twice as long to retreat? ensnaring zealots, they suddenly become equal to nonspeedy zealots and they get buttfucked by hydras.. broodlinging templars, they die, ensnaring goons and they start sucking even more (vs zerg), ensnare templars, parasite templars so you constantly know where he's going, ensnare archons and you can kill them with hardly any losses using mutas.. ensnare rines and you negate stim (or make them move at half- unstimmed speed), broodling tanks, parasite vessels and dropships (and ensnare dropships too) im expecting the next evolutionary step of starcraft to be increased ensnare use. this will make zerg dominate for a while, until toss becomes forced to making dark archons (for feedback), terran will have to start being really fucking creative cause queens are like as good as defilers cept they come way earlier vs t. =[ dunno why I posted this, but I like predicting shit | ||
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forb
Norway218 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
How do you propose toss use queens? Ah, of course, mass dark archon mind control--a Hehe I played vs someone (from sweden it turned out) who went magic heavy zerg. Man that was nice Got killed pretty badly (though I wasn't ALL that great at PvZ at that time--; [had too few templars, and no mana upgrade for them]). Ensnare is insanely nice really. Also I feel that if toss start using Dark archons, defending expansions would be a lot easier (cannons and mael sounds nice, and it is nice). Sneaking in the occasional dark archon in your army won't cost you much, actually it will cost you much less if you manage to catch a huge group of ultra /crack or hydra in a mael / psi storm combo-_- .Regards FrozenArbiter | ||
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Sadist
United States7298 Posts
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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Pomozite
Croatia647 Posts
On February 15 2003 20:34 Sadist wrote: FOR EXAMPLE pvz most p 2gate everygame and continuously lose 2 gate is safe strat. 1 gate teching vs 8 pool is very risky. Fast lings are too strong and too fast. | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
oh and DV8 i play all 3 races, and i'm not exactly a newbie btw so you can stop trying to be condescending over a computer game. GOooood for you  , I know BGH newbies who can do the same, they also don't learn from their mistakes. | ||
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Pumpkin[s.R]
United States317 Posts
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aquanda
United States477 Posts
-decreased rate of fire for turrets -spider mine damage type changed to concussive (from normal)* Protoss: -Dark archon mana recharge rate increased Zerg: -Ultralisk armor upgrade reduced by 1, build time increased slightly -Adrenal upgrade effectiveness decreased slightly I dunno, just throwing out some ideas here. *not 100% sure that the damage is normal now, but I think the damage of mines is excessively strong vs all units, needs to be more centralized as a COUNTER, not an all around amazingly strong terran upgrade. If terran used bunkers in combination with their tank+mine pushes (as mid-late game terrans have lots of minerals vs gas) it would be even more brutal versus Protoss. John | ||
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
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zdragon
United States150 Posts
IMO, I just don't see enough late game Reaver v Z... | ||
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Senff
United States360 Posts
Anyone else actually read what Nazgul said? I agree with him. Toss needs another weapon VS Zerg, and then all other imbalances are map-based. The only problem with making Toss stronger VS Zerg is that it will also make island games much more in the Toss' favor, where it already is. They should just hold island tournaments. | ||
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IntoTheDrain
Australia46 Posts
On February 15 2003 22:05 DV8 wrote: GOooood for you , I know BGH newbies who can do the same, they also don't learn from their mistakes. Thank you DV8, i am very proud of it too. Are you a BGH newbie? If so you can save replays and analyse them to learn from your mistakes. | ||
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Meta[SB]
United States59 Posts
and make pool $150 again and make tanks kill rines in 1 hit -- y dont they do that ~_~ whos with me?! | ||
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juhhA
United States295 Posts
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aquanda
United States477 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
ZERG IMBALANCE !! ULTRA 200000000 DAMAGE MARINE TOO CHEAP!-____________________________________________________- Regards FrozenArbiter | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On February 16 2003 04:54 IntoTheDrain wrote: Thank you DV8, i am very proud of it too. Are you a BGH newbie? If so you can save replays and analyse them to learn from your mistakes. Lol if I were Id be a step above you at least I don't whine about race MUs for lack of strategy and skill. | ||
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Surv[CIA]
Belgium176 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28727 Posts
(it even has an appropriate name. ) | ||
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IntoTheDrain
Australia46 Posts
On February 16 2003 10:31 DV8 wrote: Lol if I were Id be a step above you at least I don't whine about race MUs for lack of strategy and skill.I knew you were a newb. Real gosus don't bother picking on or comment on whingers like me (and i was just stating my opinion btw ), they just ignore them, unlike you who seems to have something to prove with your big words. Now go and think of something better to put try put me down some more you chobo. I'll hear from you soon | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On February 17 2003 04:26 IntoTheDrain wrote: I knew you were a newb. Real gosus don't bother picking on or comment on whingers like me (and i was just stating my opinion btw ), they just ignore them, unlike you who seems to have something to prove with your big words. Now go and think of something better to put try put me down some more you chobo. I'll hear from you soon And I am sure you know everything there is to know about "real gosus" besides I never once said I was a gosu. I unlike you am not disillusioned I know where my mistakes are and I won't use the excuse of a match up being imbalanced to make up for it, oh and lemme guess anyone who can beat you is hacker too right? Just accept the fact you suck and now the healing process can begin and you will learn from your mistakes. BTW what the hell is a whinger | ||
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IntoTheDrain
Australia46 Posts
On February 17 2003 05:13 DV8 wrote: And I am sure you know everything there is to know about "real gosus" besides I never once said I was a gosu. I unlike you am not disillusioned I know where my mistakes are and I won't use the excuse of a match up being imbalanced to make up for it, oh and lemme guess anyone who can beat you is hacker too right? Just accept the fact you suck and now the healing process can begin and you will learn from your mistakes. BTW what the hell is a whinger Yea you've never said you're a gosu cos you're prolly a newbie like me according to you. That's why you feel the need to be so tough. I don't use MUs as excuses to losses. If i lose it's time to say GG and that's that. I (along with many others) find that it's much harder to beat terran while playing toss compared to beating toss while playing terran. Same as TvZ. Many people on different levels agree Terran is too strong atm although it's just their opinion. The Toss or Zerg has to play much harder and take more risks to win a game. I don't find it hard at all to accept the fact that i may 'suck' but i believe i can agree and disagree with other people. You can go look up 'whinger' in a dictionary if you really wanna know.If you can't alphabetically find it, just start from W it shouldn't take too long,it's about half way or so.  | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
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Eliminator
Netherlands681 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On February 17 2003 10:01 IntoTheDrain wrote: Yea you've never said you're a gosu cos you're prolly a newbie like me according to you. That's why you feel the need to be so tough. I don't use MUs as excuses to losses. If i lose it's time to say GG and that's that. I (along with many others) find that it's much harder to beat terran while playing toss compared to beating toss while playing terran. Same as TvZ. Many people on different levels agree Terran is too strong atm although it's just their opinion. The Toss or Zerg has to play much harder and take more risks to win a game. I don't find it hard at all to accept the fact that i may 'suck' but i believe i can agree and disagree with other people. You can go look up 'whinger' in a dictionary if you really wanna know.If you can't alphabetically find it, just start from W it shouldn't take too long,it's about half way or so. Now I know you have zero understanding of terran which is why you whine about them being strong, Before you post again please just please find a good toss which a decent understanding of the race than try and set up a good push against him, you will find there is more micro in setting up a push than it takes for a toss to break it up you will also learn that with each time a toss crushes your push its twice as hard to get it going again. Toss needs less micro better timing. I'll admit when I was a complete newbie and playing toss I thought PvT was a hard matchup than I read Grrrr's guide back in the day and he wrote that PvT is a hard match up because of toss having powerful units and the rest I am unsure of, but when I read PvT was hard on terran I thought this guy is full of shit until I got better and learned what he was talking about. I don't need to feel tough, please this is the internet who am I goin to impress? I am just clarifying the situation.  | ||
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IntoTheDrain
Australia46 Posts
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B.GoD_AnGRY
Chile334 Posts
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aquanda
United States477 Posts
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On February 19 2003 05:01 IntoTheDrain wrote: Oh yeah I MUST have zero knowledge on terran just cos I am one of the people who agree Terran is a lil too strong. Exactly, you obviously don't know how to exploit the terran weaknesses if your going to say that. Just ask MxPx how annoying carriers can be to a terran. | ||
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IntoTheDrain
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CloudTime
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OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
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CloudTime
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Guam3521 Posts
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Locked
United States4182 Posts
On November 29 2005 09:07 CloudTime wrote: accident wtf? you accidently posted "bump" on a 3 year old thread? | ||
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Braavos36388 Posts
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Xeroth
United States432 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
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Locked
United States4182 Posts
On November 29 2005 10:08 Kacas wrote: i automatic thought about a hold position button to lurker, so people would stop complaining lurkers are already in hold position all hold position does is stop units from moving.... not attackingif blizzard were to patch it (which they probably won't ever do, and don't really NEED to, also possibly difficult) it would be to remove the bug that enables them to not fire when in range and not manually continuously ordered to stop | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On November 29 2005 09:58 EvilTeletubby wrote: I say he doesn't make it past 45 posts before getting banned. Nah, 50 at least, if he's quick. | ||
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
On February 14 2003 20:59 Liquid`Drone wrote: queens are more than powerful enough, people are just too stupid to make them. (and I think stupid is appropriate as using them pays off way more than the micro invested costed. )a good ensnare can really destroy a group of zealots goons marines dropships mutas or even zerglings. | ||
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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Element)LoGiC
Canada1143 Posts
I was like "Yes! A little change in bw, that would seem kinda cool, wondering what they are changing!" Boom, february 2003. | ||
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
"bump" and "accident" i was laughin pretty hard T_T | ||
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hixhix
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On November 29 2005 13:14 hixhix wrote: this guy deserves a horrible anal-rape I propose Eri does that with his helmet. | ||
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Canada9720 Posts
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88)WhyYouKickMyDog
United States608 Posts
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