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On March 08 2011 16:05 KevinIX wrote:
You can't say SC2 is killing BW. SC2 is simply the next phase of Starcraft. Just like BW replaced SC1. It's all the same game in spirit. The same community, the same playstyle. I think there is quite a lot of bias by BW fans, and that is why they don't like watching SC2. They've had such a long history with BW. That's understandable, and when SC3 comes out, I'll feel the same way about losing SC2. But SC2 is not a bad game at all, right now. Some of you say that it's boring compared to BW, but it's clear from the numbers that many people enjoy watching SC2, perhaps more people than those who enjoyed BW.
The transition from the original version of starcraft to BW is not even close to the same as the differences between BW and SC2.
Also, if we don't agree with your tastes we're therefore biased? I understand that some people prefer playing SC2 so why is it so hard for you to accept that some people just like playing and watching BW over SC2. Geesh.
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From someone who has no ties to the BW scene whatsoever, it's really no surprise to me that something like this happened after all this Kespa nonsense. It does kinda make me giggle though that everyone who selected a favorite BW team in their profile keeps mentioning how WCG is horrible and is going to fail now.
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On March 09 2011 00:50 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 16:05 KevinIX wrote:
You can't say SC2 is killing BW. SC2 is simply the next phase of Starcraft. Just like BW replaced SC1. It's all the same game in spirit. The same community, the same playstyle. I think there is quite a lot of bias by BW fans, and that is why they don't like watching SC2. They've had such a long history with BW. That's understandable, and when SC3 comes out, I'll feel the same way about losing SC2. But SC2 is not a bad game at all, right now. Some of you say that it's boring compared to BW, but it's clear from the numbers that many people enjoy watching SC2, perhaps more people than those who enjoyed BW. The transition from the original version of starcraft to BW is not even close to the same as the differences between BW and SC2. Also, if we don't agree with your tastes we're therefore biased? I understand that some people prefer playing SC2 so why is it so hard for you to accept that some people just like playing and watching BW over SC2. Geesh.
BW doesn't make any sense in the WCG anymore. Koreans have been long dominating and now that there is NO top Foreigners who continue to play bw.... it doesn't really fit the scene at all. You really want to see koreans stomp computers? whats the point
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BW isn't a game played around the world anymore, so I understand that it has to come to this. A BW world championship makes no sense when everyone is absolutely terrible except one country.
It's sad, but it is what it is.
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were going to lose alot of great players, especially Jaedong and Boxer, who refuse to advocate starcraft 2 as an Esport... perhaps they will actually shift into the stacraft 2 scene because of this, this might be a good thing
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On March 09 2011 02:55 Kevlar622 wrote:
were going to lose alot of great players, especially Jaedong and Boxer, who refuse to advocate starcraft 2 as an Esport... perhaps they will actually shift into the stacraft 2 scene because of this, this might be a good thing
lol what world are you living in.
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Hardcore BW fan talk here. Are you guys really care about BW not in WCG? What is WCG anyway? Just a poor older cousin of PL/OSL/MSL. Foreign scene is dead anyway, Rest In Peaces WCG, i no longer care about it. If i currently want to watch some B+ foreign play, i can just download some reps or something.
And LOL at SC2 trolls who are thinking this parody of true leagues, that been WCG since 2007, can kill BW when its finaly removed from the game list. Give me a break, this will not make us watching or playing SC2 as long as we have a TRUE leagues in streams and vods. It will not even damage the BW much. SK=SC, and SK is what you must remove first :D
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On March 09 2011 02:55 Kevlar622 wrote:
were going to lose alot of great players, especially Jaedong and Boxer, who refuse to advocate starcraft 2 as an Esport... perhaps they will actually shift into the stacraft 2 scene because of this, this might be a good thing
You do realize that Boxer has transitioned to SC2?
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On March 09 2011 03:05 hitthat wrote:
And LOL at SC2 trolls who are thinking this parody of true leagues, that been WCG since 2007, can kill BW when its finaly removed from the game list. Give me a break, this will not make us watching or playing SC2 as long as we have a TRUE leagues in streams and vods. It will not even damage the BW much. SK=SC, and SK is what you must remove first :D
I enjoy the classic happy face emoticon when replying to 'trolls' as to say, "you guys cant get to me! I typed a colon and a capital D ha ha ha!" (side note it appears trolling is a lost art on TL as anyone voicing an opposing opinion is a troll now? lol?)
Anyways what you say is true. SK = SC. SC = starcraft. Stracraft 2 = starcraft. SC2 = SK/USA/Europe/SEA.
Globalized Baby. It's coming...
edit: League of Legends as a title? LOL. what the fuck is all I have to say about that.
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On March 09 2011 05:17 Zisc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 03:05 hitthat wrote:
And LOL at SC2 trolls who are thinking this parody of true leagues, that been WCG since 2007, can kill BW when its finaly removed from the game list. Give me a break, this will not make us watching or playing SC2 as long as we have a TRUE leagues in streams and vods. It will not even damage the BW much. SK=SC, and SK is what you must remove first :D I enjoy the classic happy face emoticon when replying to 'trolls' as to say, "you guys cant get to me! I typed a colon and a capital D ha ha ha!" (side note it appears trolling is a lost art on TL as anyone voicing an opposing opinion is a troll now? lol?) Anyways what you say is true. SK = SC. SC = starcraft. Stracraft 2 = starcraft. SC2 = SK/USA/Europe/SEA. Globalized Baby. It's coming...
And still smaller by far baby.
And you know, maybe he's just... right. It can happen to other people sometimes.
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On March 09 2011 05:20 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 05:17 Zisc wrote:On March 09 2011 03:05 hitthat wrote:
And LOL at SC2 trolls who are thinking this parody of true leagues, that been WCG since 2007, can kill BW when its finaly removed from the game list. Give me a break, this will not make us watching or playing SC2 as long as we have a TRUE leagues in streams and vods. It will not even damage the BW much. SK=SC, and SK is what you must remove first :D I enjoy the classic happy face emoticon when replying to 'trolls' as to say, "you guys cant get to me! I typed a colon and a capital D ha ha ha!" (side note it appears trolling is a lost art on TL as anyone voicing an opposing opinion is a troll now? lol?) Anyways what you say is true. SK = SC. SC = starcraft. Stracraft 2 = starcraft. SC2 = SK/USA/Europe/SEA. Globalized Baby. It's coming... And still smaller by far baby. And you know, maybe he's just... right. It can happen to other people sometimes.
I don't understand. How is a Planet smaller than a nation.
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Reading a lot of these comments, I get the feeling that a lot of players who are still in love with BW are in denial that SC2 is capable of reaching the level of BW. All I see is pessimistic remarks about the new game due to a permanent love for its predecessor. BW was a great game... it always will be... that doesn't mean that we have to hate SC2. SC2 is just as exciting to watch... and at its current rate it will surpass its predecessor. And it will also, like its predecessor, eventually die. No need to be pessimistic towards it though. Try and lose yourself in the excitement of SC2 now that it's out and stop hating on it so much...
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On March 09 2011 06:12 Kahuna. wrote:
Reading a lot of these comments, I get the feeling that a lot of players who are still in love with BW are in denial that SC2 is capable of reaching the level of BW. All I see is pessimistic remarks about the new game due to a permanent love for its predecessor. BW was a great game... it always will be... that doesn't mean that we have to hate SC2. SC2 is just as exciting to watch... and at its current rate it will surpass its predecessor. And it will also, like its predecessor, eventually die. No need to be pessimistic towards it though. Try and lose yourself in the excitement of SC2 now that it's out and stop hating on it so much...
BW will never die!!
lol had to be the person to say that first. and seriously, I don't know why you say that BW will die. I see the ISL, I see AMAZING games in the proleague, I see LOTS of up and coming players(Hydra, dear). Maybe the game will die eventually, but probably not anytime soon(like 10 years).
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On March 09 2011 06:12 Kahuna. wrote:
Reading a lot of these comments, I get the feeling that a lot of players who are still in love with BW are in denial that SC2 is capable of reaching the level of BW. All I see is pessimistic remarks about the new game due to a permanent love for its predecessor. BW was a great game... it always will be... that doesn't mean that we have to hate SC2. SC2 is just as exciting to watch... and at its current rate it will surpass its predecessor. And it will also, like its predecessor, eventually die. No need to be pessimistic towards it though. Try and lose yourself in the excitement of SC2 now that it's out and stop hating on it so much...
You definitely did not read a substantial part of this thread, and you probably haven't read most of the huuuuuuuge Kespa vs. Blizzard threads either.
Most BroodWar fans actually gave SC2 a try. Why the fuck wouldn't we watch something that we looked forward to? Something that might have succeeded BW, an amazing game that lasted for 10-11 years?
We have a pessimistic view because SC2 is GARBAGE compared to BROODWAR. If you have the same amount of knowledge for both games, you are objective, and you STILL can say that the average quality of a SC2 game > average quality of a BW game, then great. Each to his own.
And yes, this is pretty much why we hate SC2. Aside from Blizzard trying to shove it down Korea's throat and killing off BW, we are deeply, deeply disappointed with the crap Blizzard released as the successor of such a great RTS game.
And don't give me any of that "oh BW had 12 years" shit. If you really think that point wasn't addressed about a billion times, you really haven't been around TL when things were really heated. And this is coming from a guy who joined in 2010.
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On March 09 2011 05:22 Zisc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 05:20 corumjhaelen wrote:On March 09 2011 05:17 Zisc wrote:On March 09 2011 03:05 hitthat wrote:
And LOL at SC2 trolls who are thinking this parody of true leagues, that been WCG since 2007, can kill BW when its finaly removed from the game list. Give me a break, this will not make us watching or playing SC2 as long as we have a TRUE leagues in streams and vods. It will not even damage the BW much. SK=SC, and SK is what you must remove first :D I enjoy the classic happy face emoticon when replying to 'trolls' as to say, "you guys cant get to me! I typed a colon and a capital D ha ha ha!" (side note it appears trolling is a lost art on TL as anyone voicing an opposing opinion is a troll now? lol?) Anyways what you say is true. SK = SC. SC = starcraft. Stracraft 2 = starcraft. SC2 = SK/USA/Europe/SEA. Globalized Baby. It's coming... And still smaller by far baby. And you know, maybe he's just... right. It can happen to other people sometimes. I don't understand. How is a Planet smaller than a nation.
In my logic a sport is watched by millions in a single country, it is bigger than a sport watched by one guy in every single country on earth oO
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It's a sad progression in the ESPORTS world. But it was entirely foreseeable. Korea essentially had/has a monopoly on top tier BW players, with nobody even coming close to their level. With SC2 the playing field has been semi-leveled, and thanks to the expansion of video games worldwide SC2 made its debut already being hyped as hell. Now it's not just one country with the most skilled players, its (for the most part) Europe and North America in addition to Asia.
We love BW. We don't want to see our cherished game fall. But in the world of ESPORTS games tend to die rather than live on like conventional sports. Will BW live on? That's entirely on the shoulders of Korea. Will SC2 surpass it? Well it has far more countries supporting it than BW does, and that may be all it takes. The real battlefield is Korea, and only time will show us how these 2 games will end up interacting.
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Expected but sad , Can't blame them though , the most liked game is Sc2 ... all I can say is that they lost one viewer in the process though XD
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A great move imo. SC2 attracts shitloads of attention and rightfully so. Allthough BW is epic you can't expect new players (players who might become pro's in a few years) to begin playing a 12 year old game. A step in the right direction and a good way to promote Esports.
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It's not about SC 2 being included, it's about BW not being included. Adding Fifa 11, great move.... 3 RTS games and they don't have the best RTS game? League of legends, good move. Hopefully they come out with SC 3, whether it's the worst game ever or not, so we can further develop/promote e-sports.
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Well I think we all knew it would come to this. For my own part Ive mostly come to terms with a life without SC. Still miss it when I think about msl, osl, tsl though. It was great fun. 
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