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On March 08 2011 19:24 iloveav wrote: There is one thing you cant argue with no matter what: in broodwar girls came to watch the games and screamed as when seeing some singer coming out from an airplane, in sc2,.... quite silent :D oh yeah!! and the girls' screams!
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oh god, I just looked at the official list of games at WCG:
- StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty - Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne - World of Warcraft: Cataclysm - Counter-Strike 1.6 - League of Legends - FIFA 11 - Tekken 6 - Crossfire - Special Force
What a joke, literally no reason to watch now.
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SC2 and CS 1.6 are the only competitive games worth watching from that list.
Add Quake Live to that and you have the trifecta of entertaining and engaging e-sports that are still going strong and have a lot of player/audience/sponsor support.
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No SC:BW for wcg.... well that will be a boycott from me...
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From the standpoint of watching BW>SC2 but there's no foreigners left. What foreigners there were last year weren't that good either (Jaedong's second computer opponent?) so it makes sense for WCG to stop it. Though it kind of feels like as if the Olympics dropped basketball back in the mid 90s because there was no competition it was all team USA (could you imagine if they did that now?).
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Goodbye SC:BW hello WoW Cataclysm.
This is so depressing there are no words or fucking anything to describe it..,.,khgkjf
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Are people really thinking that WCG should let ICCUP B- players face off against 3 koreans just because BW has been a shitgood game for 12years? You cannot live on history.
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Croatia9475 Posts
On March 08 2011 16:05 KevinIX wrote: You can't say SC2 is killing BW. SC2 is simply the next phase of Starcraft. Just like BW replaced SC1. It's all the same game in spirit. The same community, the same playstyle. I think there is quite a lot of bias by BW fans, and that is why they don't like watching SC2. They've had such a long history with BW. That's understandable, and when SC3 comes out, I'll feel the same way about losing SC2. But SC2 is not a bad game at all, right now. Some of you say that it's boring compared to BW, but it's clear from the numbers that many people enjoy watching SC2, perhaps more people than those who enjoyed BW. Besides your whole post being pretty unimportant, I'd like to address one thing that you said. You say that we're the same community as it was when BW replaced SC1. But if you take a look at this poll, you can see that we're in fact NOT the same community. More than half of people on this site (I assume it's even bigger percentage now) have not played BW, besides maybe a campaign 10 years ago. And this is the main reason why there's even so much fighting in this thread and all the similar threads.
We BW players (and especially here on Teamliquid -.-) were elitist before SC2 was even planned and we were damn proud of it. But now we're combined with other communities (non-BW) and they're calling us up on our elitism
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Wow,i didnt know cataclysm is also included...good for arena players i guess..but i thought that WoW arena is dead?
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On March 08 2011 22:31 thoradycus wrote: Wow,i didnt know cataclysm is also included...good for arena players i guess..but i thought that WoW arena is dead?
WoW has a million player base, surely WoW arena is not dead. Not to mention that rated battleground will probably be featured aswell.
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It's probably just as competitive as League of Legends...which doesn't have much of a scene ^_^
I'm curious why they haven't shafted The Frozen Throne as well. Almost all the big name players are devoting some time into Starcraft instead because there isn't much left of TFT...Maybe next year.
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On March 08 2011 21:01 Bobster wrote: SC2 and CS 1.6 are the only competitive games worth watching from that list.
Add Quake Live to that and you have the trifecta of entertaining and engaging e-sports that are still going strong and have a lot of player/audience/sponsor support. agreed 100%
I just hope DotA2 come soon to kill HoN and LoL
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On March 08 2011 21:27 revy wrote: From the standpoint of watching BW>SC2 but there's no foreigners left. What foreigners there were last year weren't that good either (Jaedong's second computer opponent?) so it makes sense for WCG to stop it. Though it kind of feels like as if the Olympics dropped basketball back in the mid 90s because there was no competition it was all team USA (could you imagine if they did that now?).
Man you really need to look up the results of the Seoul Olympics. And even if there are no foreigners the top Koreans duking it out is the better show imho.
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On March 08 2011 20:26 Garrl wrote:oh god, I just looked at the official list of games at WCG: Show nested quote +- StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty - Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne - World of Warcraft: Cataclysm - Counter-Strike 1.6 - League of Legends - FIFA 11 - Tekken 6 - Crossfire - Special Force What a joke, literally no reason to watch now.
Wtf is that....
WC3, SC2, CS 1.6 are the most competitive of the bunch... but really? LOL over original DOTA.... really? That nerf is worse than BW -> SC2... WOW? Crossfire? Special forces?? So jokes...
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On March 08 2011 23:24 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 20:26 Garrl wrote:oh god, I just looked at the official list of games at WCG: - StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty - Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne - World of Warcraft: Cataclysm - Counter-Strike 1.6 - League of Legends - FIFA 11 - Tekken 6 - Crossfire - Special Force What a joke, literally no reason to watch now. Wtf is that.... WC3, SC2, CS 1.6 are the most competitive of the bunch... but really? LOL over original DOTA.... really? That nerf is worse than BW -> SC2... WOW? Crossfire? Special forces?? So jokes... LOL wtf is crossfire and special force?? wtfffff??? this is so sad... bw shouldn't be taken out... let's just see how horrible wcg's ratings are this year.. after the negative response from this new list and the absence of bw, they're going to have to bring bw back :D
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On March 08 2011 22:31 thoradycus wrote: Wow,i didnt know cataclysm is also included...good for arena players i guess..but i thought that WoW arena is dead?
MLG pulled WoW arena from it's lineup, there's still a ton of players competing on the various ladders, but the whole community as a whole is a bit terrible... Imagine the strategy forums, with just as many bad threads, but no one ever replies to anything even good threads, people hide what they are doing. So it's kinda hard for them to build an audience but some people still tune in the competitions just to look for the current FOTM.
As for SC2 vs BW... WCG doesn't care at all what we think of either game, they just want viewers, which produce money. There is no foreigner scene for BW anymore... They aren't gonna host multiple world events where foreigners will likely still jump in just for the odd chance of getting a paid trip somewhere to get stomped at the finals. It's sad, but look at the TL stream feed. Numbers speak much much louder than words. This isn't Blizzard pulling the plug. This isn't much of anything else.
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What is with them featuring Tekken 6 like fucking MLG did. No one important cares about that terrible fighting game. I'm sure WCG could've gotten rights to SSF4 at the very least for chistsakes(Tho I'd rather see SF3:III but the scene has moved onto SSF4 and since AE i'm more okay with it)
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Clearly a sign of times and probably a statement by WCG organization of staying on Blizzards's side by bringing in SC2 and removing BW.
It seems a more relevant sign for the foreign community than actually for the Koreans. It shows how many of us, non-Koreans, left BW and transitioned into other games (SC2 or others), probably on the Korean side it wont shake things much.
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United States10026 Posts
saw this coming, but heart broken because of this...
starcraft 1 in WCG was really the only connection to the foreign pro-SC scene... now that that's gone, and SC2 is taking its place, we won't seee that connection again due to the fact that SC2 is nearly 50/50 in "foreign" (i guess we really cant say that anymore) and korean.
RIP BW, we'll miss you in the WCG...
P.S. it would be good to at least put it in, not as a GF, but as a side event... But i support the KCG!!
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given the options between no bw or no blizz games entirely wcg had to do what would not destroy their organisation and picked no bw. id have certainly liked to see bw but it wasent really a possibility this time.
i do find it interesting how for every other game you ask the games creator if it can be played, but for bw you have to ask kespa if it can be played.
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