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On March 09 2011 12:27 Kahuna. wrote:I guess a lot of this stuff clearly comes down to personal preference. I mean like you've said... what's exciting can depend on the audio of the sounds in the game, whether you commentator is screaming a language you don't understand at the speed of a SC/BW vulture, etc. Nevertheless, I hope SC2 is just as, if not more successful than BW. BW is a fantastic game that I enjoyed playing and watching; I think SC2, with time can become that. C'mon guys, it's been out for a year and I know some of you detest many aspects of the game... but it is only a matter of time before some of the players in those training houses in Korea shock us with things we've never seen before. God knows how long it took for the first jaw-dropping moment in SC/BW to take place. There is still balancing to be done, new units to be introduced, new spells, new maps to arrive... I think it's best to approach this in a "let's wait and see what SC2 has in store for us" kinda way... rather than a "SC2 sucks! Long live BW!" sort of way. But, whether you choose to play BW or SC2, and whether you tune in to WCG anymore or not, happy gaming and happy spectating nonetheless! 
I agree with this.. we should say SC2 prosper!! and LONG LIVE BW.
Oh ya when BW was released everyone still doesn't have that much of an RTS knowledge we'll still learning on the other hand when SC2 was released we already have tons of RTS knowledge. So I bet after a year(or two or more) SC2 will be mapped out[?] what took broodwar 10 years.. and mechanics will be more important than thinking of new strategy then we'll have players like Flash,Jaedong,Bisu and Stork on SC2.
[?] - I don't know what the right word is.
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Let's say you have BW in WCG grand final, how many players do you think will participate excluding the koreans?
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On March 09 2011 12:34 By.Fantasy wrote:
[?] - I don't know what the right word is.
I think the word you were looking for is "solved". And yeh, I also think SC2 will be solved faster than BW, but also remember that the two expansions that have yet to be released will slow that solving process... Perhaps WoL will be solved but then we'll enter the phase of solving HotS... Which will be followed by the phase of solving the LotV. So the time should be substantial before the final game reaches a stage of powerhouses like Flash an Jaedong, probably not as long 10 years though. But again, we'll have to see how it all plays out.
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On March 09 2011 09:44 Mellon wrote:
Find it to be quite the opposite! SC2 is just so much more fun to observe than sc2, it is to me the greatest spectator game that i've ever seen.
Graphics-wise it's more interesting to to watch, but I feel that Starcraft II seems to be designed to appeal to the "mainstream" audience, the mood of the game is much more kid-friendly than Brood War.
As such I think it will turn out like CS 1.6 vs CS:S, there will still be tons of BW players but all the coverage will be on SC2.
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No real surprise for me. Why have a worldwide tournament if only Koreans play it seriously? It been a blast all those years. I enjoyed BW realy much. But time is gone now. SC2 is here, and its great game, both to play and spectate. I dont have any problems with WCG decision, i think it will work out great for them.
So many good memories connected to WCG, but thats all they are now, memories. Dont disturbed this trying to ressurect something which is past its prime.At least its how i feel.
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On March 09 2011 18:40 whatsupyoutube wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 09:44 Mellon wrote:
Find it to be quite the opposite! SC2 is just so much more fun to observe than sc2, it is to me the greatest spectator game that i've ever seen. Graphics-wise it's more interesting to to watch, but I feel that Starcraft II seems to be designed to appeal to the "mainstream" audience, the mood of the game is much more kid-friendly than Brood War. As such I think it will turn out like CS 1.6 vs CS:S, there will still be tons of BW players but all the coverage will be on SC2.
Not really. Sure there are tons of Koreans....but the amount of foreign BW players has just dropped significantly.
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On March 09 2011 17:32 Kahuna. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 12:34 By.Fantasy wrote:
[?] - I don't know what the right word is. I think the word you were looking for is "solved". And yeh, I also think SC2 will be solved faster than BW, but also remember that the two expansions that have yet to be released will slow that solving process... Perhaps WoL will be solved but then we'll enter the phase of solving HotS... Which will be followed by the phase of solving the LotV. So the time should be substantial before the final game reaches a stage of powerhouses like Flash an Jaedong, probably not as long 10 years though. But again, we'll have to see how it all plays out.
So true!.. still SC2 is not that fun to watch, guess we'll have to wait and see if it becomes more interesting... but my guess is that korean people will dominate SC2 so fast that is going to be just like BW is today... Long Life BW (blizzar should do a remake of brood war, the same game but with new sprites? it would be better than SC2, anyone?)
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Well I'm not going to read 34 pages of arguments xD I like both games and I'm sad BW got out of WCG but was something to be expected after SC2 release. When I got BW, I played for 8 years straight from ladder to fast$$$, I just leave SC2 after 3 months and I hope it gets better with the expansions, SC2 just didn't give me the same satisfaction but to each its own.
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This has been a long time coming. Honestly I'm surprised it's taken this long to come out. SC2 is just so much more exciting than SC1. There is just so much more differentiation and less repetitiveness in SC2 which make sit a much better spectator sport overall.
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On March 11 2011 09:17 FlamingTurd wrote:
This has been a long time coming. Honestly I'm surprised it's taken this long to come out. SC2 is just so much more exciting than SC1. There is just so much more differentiation and less repetitiveness in SC2 which make sit a much better spectator sport overall.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever seriously played SCBW or watched it seriously? If not, feel free to PM and play a couple games on ICCUP.
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On March 11 2011 09:17 FlamingTurd wrote:
This has been a long time coming. Honestly I'm surprised it's taken this long to come out. SC2 is just so much more exciting than SC1. There is just so much more differentiation and less repetitiveness in SC2 which make sit a much better spectator sport overall.
elaboration please, I'm 99% sure you're talking out of your ass here
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On March 11 2011 09:22 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 09:17 FlamingTurd wrote:
This has been a long time coming. Honestly I'm surprised it's taken this long to come out. SC2 is just so much more exciting than SC1. There is just so much more differentiation and less repetitiveness in SC2 which make sit a much better spectator sport overall. elaboration please, I'm 99% sure you're talking out of your ass here
I think SC2 is more like:
THAT GUY COUNTERED THE OTHER GUY SHIT THERE IS BLOOD EVERYWHERE HELL YEAH I LOVE WATCHING STARCRAFT 2 SO INTENSE MAN.
SCBW:
Oh darn this timing window is really good, oh darn a bunch of probes died, k gg.
So condensed: sc2 is more fun to watch for people who have no clue what RTS is.
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Damn.. SCBW.. gone.. :/ Well, at least Boxer's record of having two world championships is protected forever.
And of course there's a SCBW vs SC2 argument.
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On March 11 2011 10:22 fatfail wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 09:22 ArvickHero wrote:On March 11 2011 09:17 FlamingTurd wrote:
This has been a long time coming. Honestly I'm surprised it's taken this long to come out. SC2 is just so much more exciting than SC1. There is just so much more differentiation and less repetitiveness in SC2 which make sit a much better spectator sport overall. elaboration please, I'm 99% sure you're talking out of your ass here I think SC2 is more like: THAT GUY COUNTERED THE OTHER GUY SHIT THERE IS BLOOD EVERYWHERE HELL YEAH I LOVE WATCHING STARCRAFT 2 SO INTENSE MAN. SCBW: Oh darn this timing window is really good, oh darn a bunch of probes died, k gg. So condensed: sc2 is more fun to watch for people who have no clue what RTS is.
I think you have no clue about SC2, so much hate inside you jebus.
OnTopic though I think it's sad that BW gets retired from WCG but it is at the same time kind of understandable since the scene is pretty much dead outside Korea and they had several other blizzard titles that are still played world-wide.
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On March 11 2011 10:22 fatfail wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 09:22 ArvickHero wrote:On March 11 2011 09:17 FlamingTurd wrote:
This has been a long time coming. Honestly I'm surprised it's taken this long to come out. SC2 is just so much more exciting than SC1. There is just so much more differentiation and less repetitiveness in SC2 which make sit a much better spectator sport overall. elaboration please, I'm 99% sure you're talking out of your ass here I think SC2 is more like: THAT GUY COUNTERED THE OTHER GUY SHIT THERE IS BLOOD EVERYWHERE HELL YEAH I LOVE WATCHING STARCRAFT 2 SO INTENSE MAN. SCBW: Oh darn this timing window is really good, oh darn a bunch of probes died, k gg. So condensed: sc2 is more fun to watch for people who have no clue what RTS is.
you could not be more wrong.
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On March 11 2011 10:22 fatfail wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 09:22 ArvickHero wrote:On March 11 2011 09:17 FlamingTurd wrote:
This has been a long time coming. Honestly I'm surprised it's taken this long to come out. SC2 is just so much more exciting than SC1. There is just so much more differentiation and less repetitiveness in SC2 which make sit a much better spectator sport overall. elaboration please, I'm 99% sure you're talking out of your ass here I think SC2 is more like: THAT GUY COUNTERED THE OTHER GUY SHIT THERE IS BLOOD EVERYWHERE HELL YEAH I LOVE WATCHING STARCRAFT 2 SO INTENSE MAN. SCBW: Oh darn this timing window is really good, oh darn a bunch of probes died, k gg. So condensed: sc2 is more fun to watch for people who have no clue what RTS is.
-_- let's not be dumb here, this is the kind of idiocy that creates tension between both parts of the community. Conversely, BW could be more fun to watch for the casual since there's usually more action going on in the map. Both descriptions of both games could apply to both. General consensus is that BW is a more fun game to watch, either due to the unit dynamics or how well developed the metagame is compared to SC2..
I'm still awaiting for FlamingTurd's elaboration on his reasoning why SC2 is more fun to watch.
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On March 11 2011 11:05 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 10:22 fatfail wrote:On March 11 2011 09:22 ArvickHero wrote:On March 11 2011 09:17 FlamingTurd wrote:
This has been a long time coming. Honestly I'm surprised it's taken this long to come out. SC2 is just so much more exciting than SC1. There is just so much more differentiation and less repetitiveness in SC2 which make sit a much better spectator sport overall. elaboration please, I'm 99% sure you're talking out of your ass here I think SC2 is more like: THAT GUY COUNTERED THE OTHER GUY SHIT THERE IS BLOOD EVERYWHERE HELL YEAH I LOVE WATCHING STARCRAFT 2 SO INTENSE MAN. SCBW: Oh darn this timing window is really good, oh darn a bunch of probes died, k gg. So condensed: sc2 is more fun to watch for people who have no clue what RTS is. -_- let's not be dumb here, this is the kind of idiocy that creates tension between both parts of the community. Conversely, BW could be more fun to watch for the casual since there's usually more action going on in the map. Both descriptions of both games could apply to both. General consensus is that BW is a more fun game to watch, either due to the unit dynamics or how well developed the metagame is compared to SC2.. I'm still awaiting for FlamingTurd's elaboration on his reasoning why SC2 is more fun to watch.
You'll be waiting for a while probably.
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On March 11 2011 10:22 fatfail wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 09:22 ArvickHero wrote:On March 11 2011 09:17 FlamingTurd wrote:
This has been a long time coming. Honestly I'm surprised it's taken this long to come out. SC2 is just so much more exciting than SC1. There is just so much more differentiation and less repetitiveness in SC2 which make sit a much better spectator sport overall. elaboration please, I'm 99% sure you're talking out of your ass here I think SC2 is more like: THAT GUY COUNTERED THE OTHER GUY SHIT THERE IS BLOOD EVERYWHERE HELL YEAH I LOVE WATCHING STARCRAFT 2 SO INTENSE MAN. SCBW: Oh darn this timing window is really good, oh darn a bunch of probes died, k gg. So condensed: sc2 is more fun to watch for people who have no clue what RTS is.
This is not true I've seen progamers come back after a bunch of probes die... Unless your really bad your probes got wiped out which n00bs usually rage about.
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Don't feed trolls please.
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On WCG's web site, 4 of their 5 "must watch games/videos" are of BW matches. I'm sure a game that's not even balanced is better to watch. If grubby and moon are playing SC 2 now, how big is the Warcraft scene? If WCG had SC, the scene def wouldn't be dead. If there is a lawsuit that says, "you can't host so and so game," it kinda makes discussions that don't pertain to that moot.
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