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On March 07 2011 23:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 23:53 etheovermind wrote:On March 07 2011 23:49 Terranist wrote:
i remember WCG retired cs 1.6 for cs source the year HL2 came out. shortly after that people realized that 1.6 was the better game and 1.6 was brought back the next year. This is what I imagine will happen with this situation too. yep they will most likely have both SC2 and BW next year.
Makes very little sense since the probable reason they removed BW was because there was no international competition to be found, and even to ignore BW when WCG is rumored to be in south korea... I doubt next year will be different.
I wouldn't mind seeing both of them though. It's just that SC2 is greatly surpassing BW in international interest.
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On March 07 2011 23:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 23:53 etheovermind wrote:On March 07 2011 23:49 Terranist wrote:
i remember WCG retired cs 1.6 for cs source the year HL2 came out. shortly after that people realized that 1.6 was the better game and 1.6 was brought back the next year. This is what I imagine will happen with this situation too. yep they will most likely have both SC2 and BW next year.
I doubt it, a lot of pros stayed with 1.6 but I don't see the sc2 foreigners switching back anytime soon.
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i hope that the BW pros are switching over to sc2. that would be awesome.
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On March 08 2011 00:05 harhar! wrote:
i hope that the BW pros are switching over to sc2. that would be awesome.
no they won't,not for a long time,please stop asking that again and again.
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Poland3756 Posts
Interesting.
So Boxer will be the only one with 2 WCG Golds ever.
I'm OK with that.
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SC2 pros won't switch back because it's so easy money. They can just chill at 60 APM and win a lot of money. Those who like to challenge themselves will stay with BW though.
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I'm sad, but i guess this was bound to happen one day. No more auto 1,2,3 finishes for Korea. =[
Don't worry, the Koreans will still own :-)
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On March 08 2011 00:13 Arnstein wrote:
SC2 pros won't switch back because it's so easy money. They can just chill at 60 APM and win a lot of money. Those who like to challenge themselves will stay with BW though.
seriously why are you posting stuff that isn't even true?
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On March 08 2011 00:13 Arnstein wrote:
SC2 pros won't switch back because it's so easy money. They can just chill at 60 APM and win a lot of money. Those who like to challenge themselves will stay with BW though.
dude. Thats so not true, the same passion players had playing BW they still do playing SC2, your statement is 100% not true.
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Sad news but totally expected. G5 and nyoken are probably the only foreigners left playing bw, or have they switched over?
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On March 08 2011 00:24 Dante08 wrote:
Sad news but totally expected. G5 and nyoken are probably the only foreigners left playing bw, or have they switched over?
as far as I know,G5 plays sc2 off and on and nyoken fell off the face of the earth.
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starcraft BW is a great game, and it always will be. but the new crowds are going to be put off by its age more and more.
BW is like harrison ford, he was great back in the day, and still is. but he's just too old to keep cracking that whip.
sc2 will hopefully fill the void nicely.
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This was bound to happen one day. Sadly, like everything, every game has a limited lifetime.
On March 08 2011 00:13 Arnstein wrote:
SC2 pros won't switch back because it's so easy money. They can just chill at 60 APM and win a lot of money. Those who like to challenge themselves will stay with BW though.
I don't think "challenge" is the real thing that interests the players. If they can earn money more easily in SC2, or that they cannot perform well in SC1 anymore, they will switch. Perhaps some will be adventurous and say that they have switched because the game is new, and they want to try out new stuff etc...But overall, I think as long as they keep earning money with BW contracts, I think they will stay. Challenge is just too subjective to be held as something important for people trying to earn their lives.
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On March 07 2011 18:11 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 18:06 AcOrP wrote:
I'm confused by all the posts here to be honest watching SC:BW kept me for years while SC2 lost me for a few months, I think if SC2 replace BW in korea it won't take long till people get bored. I don't find it fun to watch SC2 games anymore not GSL nor anyother tourney, lets see if the expansions bring more entertaiment but if they don't SC2 will die in a year or two... I have seen similar posts like these. I played a bit of Brood war in early 2000's (01-03ish) then on and off until SC2. But I never got into esports really until SC2. Could hardcore BW viewers elaborate a bit more upon exactly what facets of competitive play are attractive to watch in BW and what turns you off to SC2. I'm curious if its something fundamental in the game design that is unchangable or something temporal that will/could either be patched by the developers or altered by the tournament organizers/team organizers.
What turns me off in sc2? Ball vs. ball gameplay, lack of positioning and micro compared to BW (look up some highlight videos in TLPD/YouTube, especially Jaedong's and JulyZerg's Muta micro, sc2 Muta "micro" pales in comparison), lots of boring spells (because of smart-casting blizzard had to severely nerf plenty of promising spells), dull/broken units (such as Colossus, Immortal, Marauder, etc.; especially considering the fact that they replaced some of the most amazing units in the history of RTS games, like Vultures), comparable lack of mechanical demands, the lack of "bugs" that made the game more varied (like mineral jumping e.g.), horrible maps, the fact that the three races are pretty similar compared to their BW counterparts (in BW playing another match-up is almost like playing another game).
I especially dislike the fact that in sc2 managing 4-5 bases is as easy as managing just 1-2, pretty much. In BW the more bases you have, the more multi-tasking demanding playing the game gets. You have to manage your "screen time" and so on.
I'm sure there are more. If you read this post, tell me if you want me to post some more. ;p
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On March 07 2011 11:49 HKriceboy88 wrote:
I'm sad, but i guess this was bound to happen one day. No more auto 1,2,3 finishes for Korea. =[
Korea had a 1-2-3 finish in IEM in SC2 recently. They might actually be more ahead in SC2 right now then they were in BW when WCG started. Boxer was in bonjwa mode during the first 2 WCGs. A foreigner could've easily won if not for him. The 1-2-3 finishes started later.
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On March 08 2011 00:39 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 18:11 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On March 07 2011 18:06 AcOrP wrote:
I'm confused by all the posts here to be honest watching SC:BW kept me for years while SC2 lost me for a few months, I think if SC2 replace BW in korea it won't take long till people get bored. I don't find it fun to watch SC2 games anymore not GSL nor anyother tourney, lets see if the expansions bring more entertaiment but if they don't SC2 will die in a year or two... I have seen similar posts like these. I played a bit of Brood war in early 2000's (01-03ish) then on and off until SC2. But I never got into esports really until SC2. Could hardcore BW viewers elaborate a bit more upon exactly what facets of competitive play are attractive to watch in BW and what turns you off to SC2. I'm curious if its something fundamental in the game design that is unchangable or something temporal that will/could either be patched by the developers or altered by the tournament organizers/team organizers. Ball vs. ball gameplay
so true...
will people please stop saying dumb things like "brood war is dead"? It's almost ridiculous how so many on TL is saying this over and over again. WCG never had a big impact in the e-sports scene in Korea and BW being dropped in the WCG is not going to affect the industry. Koreans never took the WCG seriously anyways. MSL and OSL is where the focus is at.
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Sad to hear. Always enjoyed it.
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so,some of them don't like SC2 after all that time....
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A BW event in WCG would be as commercially viable as an international football (not soccer) championship. No one really plays football outside of North America. And no one plays BW outside of Korea.
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