EPTI hope this is not because of the Kespa vs Blizzard debacle and that BW will be included next year .
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
I hope this is not because of the Kespa vs Blizzard debacle and that BW will be included next year . | ||
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Bajadulce
United States322 Posts
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
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phisku
Belgium864 Posts
korean always win, so watching a MSL/OSL/SWL is better than WCG. I also disagree with sc2 being less fun to watch, it's another style. ( I watch both and love both ) | ||
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
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bbSLK
Canada8 Posts
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cive
Canada370 Posts
On March 08 2011 01:04 phisku wrote: i don't understand why BW player are so sad, it's not like if WCG was the only tournament on BW. korean always win, so watching a MSL/OSL/SWL is better than WCG. I also disagree with sc2 being less fun to watch, it's another style. ( I watch both and love both ) For me, it was a tradition. My favorite game to be presented as one of the top competitive games of the world. Just seeing it there as a part of WCG meant the game isn't dead outside of Korea. I guess I can't say that anymore. As much as I welcome SC2 in WCG, it feels like Winter Olympic just got rid of hokey for me. | ||
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lastreason
Romania250 Posts
p.s sc2 players will never have the shining and tradition of bw players | ||
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Furycrab
Canada456 Posts
On March 08 2011 00:58 raga4ka wrote: It's sad that WCG will not include the most skilled PC gamers and the most competitive RTS game ever . I don't think anyone practises as much as korean BW progamers and shows as much skill in a PC game since no one takes gaming as seriously as them . I hope this is not because of the Kespa vs Blizzard debacle and that BW will be included next year . WCG has been about competitions around the world where they eventually meet at the finals... the Foreigner scene is so weak at BW now that like many have pointed, it would be a joke except for WCG korea, and even there it's rarely taken very seriously. | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On March 08 2011 01:47 Furycrab wrote: WCG has been about competitions around the world where they eventually meet at the finals... the Foreigner scene is so weak at BW now that like many have pointed, it would be a joke except for WCG korea, and even there it's rarely taken very seriously. Yeah i guess so . There was pretty much very little to non competition between foreigners and koreans before SC2 now koreans are light years ahead . I'm still sad at not being able to watch my favourite game  . | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On March 08 2011 00:39 maybenexttime wrote: What turns me off in sc2? Ball vs. ball gameplay, lack of positioning and micro compared to BW (look up some highlight videos in TLPD/YouTube, especially Jaedong's and JulyZerg's Muta micro, sc2 Muta "micro" pales in comparison), lots of boring spells (because of smart-casting blizzard had to severely nerf plenty of promising spells), dull/broken units (such as Colossus, Immortal, Marauder, etc.; especially considering the fact that they replaced some of the most amazing units in the history of RTS games, like Vultures), comparable lack of mechanical demands, the lack of "bugs" that made the game more varied (like mineral jumping e.g.), horrible maps, the fact that the three races are pretty similar compared to their BW counterparts (in BW playing another match-up is almost like playing another game). I especially dislike the fact that in sc2 managing 4-5 bases is as easy as managing just 1-2, pretty much. In BW the more bases you have, the more multi-tasking demanding playing the game gets. You have to manage your "screen time" and so on. I'm sure there are more. If you read this post, tell me if you want me to post some more. ;p So it is fair to say this is by in large a temporary dislike of the game based on expectations you have created from professional players building on 12 years of trial and error, history and practice. We are starting to see more games where unit positioning is becoming more and more important with "death ball" strategies becoming less and less powerful as opponents adapt. I think over time, as we get better maps that are designed to challenge SC2 play, and not try to convert BW play into SC2, we will see a return of that excitement you were talking about. I don't watch a whole lot of BW, but I would have no problem agreeing that the players in that game are definitely more refined and are cognitive of the tons of subtleties and strategies they can expereince, while SC2 pros are still feeling around for that complete "game sense" or "star sense" top tier BW players have. Again I do not have the same emotional investment or history with BW that many of you have, but I think its a little harsh to imply SC2 will forever be inferior to BW. I really think it could eventually surpass it if given enough time and care (and Blizzard, for the love of god, stops listening to their official forums. Have you see that place?! It makes you want to kick a baby.) | ||
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Chelch
United Kingdom159 Posts
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
On March 08 2011 02:14 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: So it is fair to say this is by in large a temporary dislike of the game based on expectations you have created from professional players building on 12 years of trial and error, history and practice. We are starting to see more games where unit positioning is becoming more and more important with "death ball" strategies becoming less and less powerful as opponents adapt. I think over time, as we get better maps that are designed to challenge SC2 play, and not try to convert BW play into SC2, we will see a return of that excitement you were talking about. I don't watch a whole lot of BW, but I would have no problem agreeing that the players in that game are definitely more refined and are cognitive of the tons of subtleties and strategies they can expereince, while SC2 pros are still feeling around for that complete "game sense" or "star sense" top tier BW players have. Again I do not have the same emotional investment or history with BW that many of you have, but I think its a little harsh to imply SC2 will forever be inferior to BW. I really think it could eventually surpass it if given enough time and care (and Blizzard, for the love of god, stops listening to their official forums. Have you see that place?! It makes you want to kick a baby.) Here is a replay of my 10 year old cousin, with out any technique or game understanding at all. BW is just naturally a good game and has been that way since it was released. replay: http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=41046 | ||
RaGe
Belgium9944 Posts
On March 08 2011 01:04 phisku wrote: i don't understand why BW player are so sad, it's not like if WCG was the only tournament on BW. korean always win, so watching a MSL/OSL/SWL is better than WCG. I also disagree with sc2 being less fun to watch, it's another style. ( I watch both and love both ) I think it's out of nostalgia. There was a very long period in the foreigner scene where WCG was the only big tournament, and there was always a lot of hype/drama/awesome games surrounding the qualifiers and the big final. It may not mean much to a newcomer, but thinking back to Froz vs Boxer still sends chills down my spine. It's a completely reasonable decision and completely to be expected, but this is like the official announcement that the BW foreign tournament scene is dead, after 12(?) years of history. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Spacekyod
United States818 Posts
On March 08 2011 00:50 TurtlePerson2 wrote: A BW event in WCG would be as commercially viable as an international football (not soccer) championship. No one really plays football outside of North America. And no one plays BW outside of Korea. This should've been the last post in the thread. Perfect analogy. | ||
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
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pHelix Equilibria
United States1134 Posts
Good choice though from the international point of view. Broodwar is starting to slip away? | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On March 08 2011 02:18 etheovermind wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2011 02:14 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: So it is fair to say this is by in large a temporary dislike of the game based on expectations you have created from professional players building on 12 years of trial and error, history and practice. We are starting to see more games where unit positioning is becoming more and more important with "death ball" strategies becoming less and less powerful as opponents adapt. I think over time, as we get better maps that are designed to challenge SC2 play, and not try to convert BW play into SC2, we will see a return of that excitement you were talking about. I don't watch a whole lot of BW, but I would have no problem agreeing that the players in that game are definitely more refined and are cognitive of the tons of subtleties and strategies they can expereince, while SC2 pros are still feeling around for that complete "game sense" or "star sense" top tier BW players have. Again I do not have the same emotional investment or history with BW that many of you have, but I think its a little harsh to imply SC2 will forever be inferior to BW. I really think it could eventually surpass it if given enough time and care (and Blizzard, for the love of god, stops listening to their official forums. Have you see that place?! It makes you want to kick a baby.) Here is a replay of my 10 year old cousin, with out any technique or game understanding at all. BW is just naturally a good game and has been that way since it was released. replay: http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=41046 I think this part is jaded in subjectivity. Especially when you consider the different communities that existed from the start of BW versus SC2 and the state of the competitive scene. Although, I have not viewed the replay yet, this is just my initial thought. | ||
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