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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
Nah, It has it's merits but he should have removed the 'failgame2' statement so that we can take it seriously. YES THIS SERIOUSLY NEEDS TO STOP! It's getting on the nerves!. If banlings could (I doubt but I'm still hopeful and thankful for them) just warn/temp banned shitty logic like the bolded statement. Flame wars can really be averted. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
Also, I don't really care if a bunch of starcraft 2 fans getting butthurt over what I said. Sick of seeing their BS, they dont even say anything that makes sense, just "Go SC2, Brood War Gonna Die" "Its not about fun/playability, its all about the money". User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On March 07 2011 17:28 aimaimaim wrote: Nah, It has it's merits but he should have removed the 'failgame2' statement so that we can take it seriously. Its still a terrible post, and makes us bw fans look bad. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On March 07 2011 17:30 Megaliskuu wrote: Its still a terrible post, and makes us bw fans look bad. it is a terrible post, but it does have a point, I could modify it. | ||
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crazeman
664 Posts
 really wish they could of kept both BW and sc2. I thought they were going to kill off BW for a year since wcg is in korea this year, not kill it off entirely. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
If its wrong I'll edit it out. But It seems pretty sound to me. Brood War has had 12 years of game sales and patches, as well as organizations and tournaments to iron out the issues and advertise the e-sport. 12 years to convince companies to subsidize and invest in teams and tournament series as well as create player legacies and histories. Those are big shoes to fill for SC2 to do in less than one year. Pros who were accustomed to Brood War and had high mechanical skill were able to nit pick every bug and exploit in the game early on as well as play around with the game pre-release. We didn't have that for pre-Brood War and had to ramp up to your top tier gamers. It is arguably inevitable that SC2 would have fallen short of expectations. I do not understand how viewers/players could expect the jump to be linear from BW to SC2. The polarized community didn't help either.... | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On March 07 2011 12:08 sawedust wrote: Happened at IEM where Koreans dominated a decent, but not strong western field. I don't see why it couldn't happen again at WCG. With WCG being more of a global tournament I can understand why they switched from BW to SC2. SC2 is catching on day by day in the western world for both competitive and casual gamers, whereas BW was left just for the hardcore gamers. It's sad to see the change, but it was one that was necessary. How was IEM a decent field foreign wise? Id call it strong. Meanwhile the Koreans ALL lost round ONE of Code A. So yeah, Korea 1-2-3 could happen. Banned Eywa for his inability to argue without calling people faggots. | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 07 2011 17:33 Eywa- wrote: it is a terrible post, but it does have a point, I could modify it. to be fair every time any thread comes up about a player switching to SC2 from BW or anything about a transition from BW -> SC2 in any way using anything or anything about the lawsuit is brought up in the sc2 forums all they have to read is a bunch of flamers from the BW section about how sc2 takes no skill/is bad ect ect. that just fuels more antagonism. if you don't want to see SC2 players flame BW then stop giving them a reason to, stop posting how you hope sc2 dies or you want kespa to win the lawsuit ect ect instead talk about how you want BW to continue and how awesome proleague truly is and how you don't find starcraft2 as entertaining as BW because of the awesomeness in BW ect. it needs to stop from both sides if we want to get our boards less divided and more like pre sc2 times. EDIT: @ jinro alot of NA players don't follow europe as much and so IEM seemed like a few of the big names and then a bunch of random euros + koreans to them, i know i haven't actually seen games of more than half of the foreign IEM field personally. not that the view is correct but just explaining the view. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On March 07 2011 17:04 jalstar wrote: Foreign BW is officially dead, not BW in general. SC2 in Korea is unsustainable, even with the huge prize pools there's no top BW players that have switched to SC2, viewership is lower than BW's as evidenced by the finals being mostly empty, etc. With NASL and MLG coming up to distract foreign audiences I don't see the GSL lasting too much longer. Finals being empty is a huge lie =/ They pretty much filled the arena they used for GSL3, I wasnt at GSL 4 finals so I couldnt tell you how that one went tho. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
If you really were their fans you'd support them for the game they play. Are people really that desperate for them to switch? Isn't MVP/Sangho/Nada/Boxer/Tester/Iron/July enough? How many gamers do you want to support lol >< | ||
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DiamondTear
Finland165 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On March 07 2011 17:42 IntoTheEmo wrote: He has a bit of a point though, it's getting really annoying going through this kind of thread or ForGG/HoGiL/matchfixers thread and having people go omg switch to SC2/Flash and Jaedong should switch now etc. If you really were their fans you'd support them for the game they play. Are people really that desperate for them to switch? Isn't MVP/Sangho/Nada/Boxer/Tester/Iron enough? How many gamers do you want to support lol >< Its not an insult to BW to say you hope they switch, its because I think almost anyone who has seem them in BW want to see what they could do with SC2. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On March 07 2011 17:37 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: If its wrong I'll edit it out. But It seems pretty sound to me. Brood War has had 12 years of game sales and patches, as well as organizations and tournaments to iron out the issues and advertise the e-sport. 12 years to convince companies to subsidize and invest in teams as well as tournament series as well as create player legacies and histories. Those are big shoes to fill for SC2 to do in less than one year. Pros who were accustomed to Brood War and had high mechanical skill were able to nit pick every bug and exploit in the game early on as well as play around with the game pre-release. We didn't have that for pre-Brood War and had to ramp up to your top tier gamers. It is arguably inevitable that SC2 would have fallen short of expectations. I do not understand how viewers/players could expect the jump to be linear from BW to SC2. The polarized community didn't help either.... It's not sound .. why?? 1.) Mainly because BW is a Korean Scene. Foreigners still can try to compete but they don't have the work ethics or to do what these Progamers have been doing for years, add that to the coaching staff they have. Mondi, Draco, White-Ra, Ret, Idra, etc.,. All of these guys had their chance these guys can beat low teir progamers back 2009 and before. Like for Ssak and Classic beat Flash in the last SLs(Ssak and Classic = foreigners, Flash=Low teir progamer  ).2.) In Korea, If I don't have to be biased, the quantity of viewers still sides with BW because the scene is homegrown. It was not forced. Hell, even Giyom is accepted as a Pillar of SC:BW proscene up until now. People of all ages can understand what is happening in the game. 3.) BIG Korean Corporations and the Ministry of Culture backs the BW Proscene. How can you say its dead/needs to die? to add .. 4.) Players of these proteams have salaries over $100,000. Do you see any games having their players have these large salaries and that are backed by big corporations? Players has a celebrity status. How can you say it needs to die? | ||
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MechaCthulhu
United States136 Posts
On March 07 2011 17:46 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Its not an insult to BW to say you hope they switch, its because I think almost anyone who has seem them in BW want to see what they could do with SC2. What he said. If you think it's insulting BW for SC2 fans to want the best BW players to switch, imagine how insulting it feels to come into a thread about BW being dropped in favor of SC2 and seeing a bunch of BW fans talking about how it sucks they're switching to an inferior game, how WCG is now worthless, etc. I'm not saying that they're right about it being insulting--I can understand how it would feel to be in the BW fan's position--but by the same token, try to understand why they might think "BW is greater than SC2 will ever be" might not be something an SC2 fan would be overjoyed to read. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
On March 07 2011 17:46 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Its not an insult to BW to say you hope they switch, its because I think almost anyone who has seem them in BW want to see what they could do with SC2. Yeah, that's true, it's not an insult, but it's really getting repetitive. But yeah as an example just 1 page back there's some guy saying it's time for Flash and Jaedong to switch cause WCG dropped BW. Bit unreasonable don't you think? :\ | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On March 07 2011 17:55 IntoTheEmo wrote: Yeah, that's true, it's not an insult, but it's really getting repetitive. But yeah as an example just 1 page back there's some guy saying it's time for Flash and Jaedong to switch cause WCG dropped BW. Bit unreasonable don't you think? :\ I think thats just sc2 fanboy dreaming but yeah, its pretty unrealistic/unreasonable and repetitive. lolwut | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4379 Posts
How has starcraft 2 affected the competitive war3 scene? | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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