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AcOrP
Bulgaria148 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On March 07 2011 17:49 aimaimaim wrote: It's not sound .. why?? 1.) Mainly because BW is a Korean Scene. Foreigners still can try to compete but they don't have the work ethics or to do what these Progamers have been doing for years, add that to the coaching staff they have. Mondi, Draco, White-Ra, Ret, Idra, etc.,. All of these guys had their chance these guys can beat low teir progamers back 2009 and before. Like for Ssak and Classic beat Flash in the last SLs(Ssak and Classic = foreigners, Flash=Low teir progamer  ).2.) In Korea, If I don't have to be biased, the quantity of viewers still sides with BW because the scene is homegrown. It was not forced. Hell, even Giyom is accepted as a Pillar of SC:BW proscene up until now. People of all ages can understand what is happening in the game. 3.) BIG Korean Corporations and the Ministry of Culture backs the BW Proscene. How can you say its dead/needs to die? to add .. 4.) Players of these proteams have salaries over $100,000. Do you see any games having their players have these large salaries and that are backed by big corporations? Players has a celebrity status. How can you say it needs to die? I never once said BW is dead. I never once said BW needs to die. And I think you just reworded/explicated my post but spun it around on me, could be wrong though. My whole thing was that BW is and will be strong in Korea for some time to come. My opinion on the reason for the skill gap between Korea and foreigner is actually based around the team house foundation in Korea. But there will come a time, where either BW loses popularity over time just due to old age, and/or SC2 becomes far more profitable for investors and tournament organizers alike. I could be entirely wrong, but do you honestly see ANY video game, e-sport or not, surviving 12+, 15+ or 20+ years where the original developer has ended support and is constantly bombarded by competition, least of which is its own sequel? There will come a time where you can play a BW clone with better graphics and support on your mobile phone. Will the pro scene still be as strong then? I can understand your plight with the emotional investment and loyalty you have given to 12 years of Brood War. But Brood War was never designed to be e-sport friendly. It will last longer in Korea then anywhere else to be sure, but I do not think it is some immortal game that will last forever, nor is SC2 in all honesty. But SC2 was designed with esports and longevity in mind so while it is still flawed in many respects, there is still time to iron it all out. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:06 AcOrP wrote: I'm confused by all the posts here to be honest watching SC:BW kept me for years while SC2 lost me for a few months, I think if SC2 replace BW in korea it won't take long till people get bored. I don't find it fun to watch SC2 games anymore not GSL nor anyother tourney, lets see if the expansions bring more entertaiment but if they don't SC2 will die in a year or two... I have seen similar posts like these. I played a bit of Brood war in early 2000's (01-03ish) then on and off until SC2. But I never got into esports really until SC2. Could hardcore BW viewers elaborate a bit more upon exactly what facets of competitive play are attractive to watch in BW and what turns you off to SC2. I'm curious if its something fundamental in the game design that is unchangable or something temporal that will/could either be patched by the developers or altered by the tournament organizers/team organizers. | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
On March 07 2011 12:39 ReaperX wrote: A very obvious choice to take for the future of the WCG. IMO I actually like to watch SC2 over SC1. yes an obvious and good choice. tbh i didn't mind bw in wcg, i just wanted sc2 to be in it. if getting in sc2 means to get rid of bw, then so be it goodbye bw, hello sc2 | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On March 07 2011 17:40 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Finals being empty is a huge lie =/ They pretty much filled the arena they used for GSL3, I wasnt at GSL 4 finals so I couldnt tell you how that one went tho. Oh really? Take back what I said then, I should really start taking more things from random BW posts with a grain of salt if they concern SC2. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
SC BW is too much korea. The foreign scene in SC2 is a lot bigger why it's not surprising they are swithing to SC2. | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
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applejuice
307 Posts
it's the logical thing to do. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50898 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:45 applejuice wrote: R,I.P. BW it's the logical thing to do. BW is not dead,why are you so blind.... Edit:sorry for my rudeness but what you said is still not true. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:47 BLinD-RawR wrote: BW is not dead,why are you so blind....wait you are worse than blind because even I can see that BW is still very much alive. I think his comment was in regards to BW @ WCG... But insult the guy anyways | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50898 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:51 Talack wrote: I think his comment was in regards to BW @ WCG... But insult the guy anyways the second part could be a joke because of my username. | ||
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DennyR
Germany379 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On March 07 2011 18:47 BLinD-RawR wrote: BW is not dead,why are you so blind.... Edit:sorry for my rudeness but what you said is still not true. haha your id and your comment actually made me lol ;p | ||
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Nahema
Germany54 Posts
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Garrl
Scotland1977 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On March 07 2011 12:11 OnFiRe888 wrote: this is terrible news, i play sc2, but BW is a classic and the reason why esports is where it is today, sad thats not really true, its the reason korean esports is where it is today sure. And even that is pretty small when you think about the fact that they give up education for it which theyre gona have to go and get anyway when theyre done or do something related to the scene, the only real marketable skill theyd have otherwise. If it is a sustainable lifestyle then you can say "yea esports is somewhere today". We can all hope for that day though but its far from being anywhere. Now divide that by a gajillion and you get what its worth everywhere else. And really even the way broodwar was played early on was an absolute mess. Comparatively SC2 has alot on its side interms of player and developer experience. Ofcourse broodwar is fantastic and theres no reason it has to die out. I still love watching CS games and I havent played in 5 years, if your knowledgeable and genuinely enjoy an esport it will not die, not for you anyway. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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