Play Fantasy Proleague! It's fun, easy, and makes watching Proleague much more exciting. You don't need to spend any time on managing your team during the season if you don't want to. If you don't fully understand the rules, don't worry. The basic thing to remember is, pick players for your "Main Team" that you think will do well, and pick players for your "Anti Team" who you think will do poorly.
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Fantasy Winners League Scoring
Player Scoring: Lineup Appearance: +1 Point* Game Win: +2 Points Game Loss: -1 Point 2-Game Streak Break: +1 Point** 3-Game Streak Break: +2 Points** Your Player's Team Wins: +1 Point***
*Only counts once, i.e. if Flash goes 4-0, he still only gets 1 appearance point **Streaks do not carry over between matches, all streaks must occur in the same match ***This counts for all players on the team's roster, even if they did not play in the match
Hwaseung Oz: 1 Point (+1 for 3-4 Defeat) SK Telecom T1: 2 Points (+2 for 4-3 Victory) Hiya: 2 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win, -1 for loss) Fantasy: 1 Point (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss, +1 for team win) Young: 0 Points (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss) Best: 7 Points (+1 for lineup, +6 for 3 wins, -1 for loss, +1 for team win) Lomo: 0 Points (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss) Jaedong: 6 Points (+1 for lineup, +4 for 2 wins, -1 for loss, +2 for 3-game streak break) Boxer: 1 Point (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss, +1 for team win) Bisu: 5 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win, +1 for 2-game streak break, +1 for team win) Anyone on SKT: 1 Point (+1 for team win)
How to Play
You choose 6 players and 1 Pro Team that score points when they play well.
You pick 3 players that lose you points when they play well.
Players and teams can be traded between weeks for those valued less than them.
Team Selection
Main Team
Pick 6 players for your Main Team, including a captain who will be a tiebreaker
Pick 1 Proleague team (i.e. STX, CJ, SKT, etc.)
You cannot trade your captain (more on trading later)
Your 6 players and 1 Proleague team cannot exceed 30 points in cost
Your Main Team must contain at least one of each race at all times
Anti Team
Pick 3 players for your Anti Team
These players will score points just like Main Team players, but their score counts against you
Your Anti Team must have a value of at least 13 points (minimum)
Basic Team Selection Strategy
Pick players for your Main Team who you believe will exceed their point value from last round (underrated or rising players)
Pick players for your Anti Team who you believe will do worse than they did last round (overrated or slumping players)
Designate as Captain a player who you believe will be a lock to be good throughout the season, because you can't trade him
Trading
Trading Rules
Each week you can trade players (swap a player for someone you don't have)
Every player has a trade value, and you can only trade for players of lower value
You will be limited to a maximum 2 Main Team and 1 Anti Team trades per week
Trades do not carry over if unused
Each time you trade, your team will be assessed a -1 point trade tax
Basic Trading Strategy
Check lineups each week! Players in the lineup are usually more valuable.
Don't make trades just for sake of making trades, as they cost you trade tax points and you may get stuck with a player you don't want
The trade price formula takes into account number of matches remaining -- so players with more matches remaining will have higher prices
You must trade for players with less value, but try to minimize the value loss. For example, if you trade someone worth 30 for someone worth 20, next week you can only trade the 20 for someone less. It's much better to trade the 30 for someone worth 29.
Groups
You will be able to create and join groups so you can compare your results with a smaller subset of the players, for example there might be a Staff Group, a First Time FPL Group, a USA Players Group, or a group created by you with just your friends.
Do not just paste your team into this thread. This thread is for discussion only. That means if you're going to post your team, give a lot of reasons why you picked the players. Analysis and potential for more discussion is good. Posting "lol my team is JD Flash 4 scrubs and ace" ctrl+v paste team is not an acceptable post. It will be deleted.
Seems kinda hard to get a large set of decent players this round, at least relative to the previous official ones. Teams are also pretty expensive, with the exception of ACE.
Anti-team was really fun to pick and amazingly got my main team full of SKT awesomeness(except lacking Bisu cause of really high price ). Telling my friends asap!
I think gambling on Ace players are a good idea, since a lot of them are mature enough to take responsibility and such... I think Anytime will definitely get more playtime especially since everyone else well, sucks atm.
5 points for Snow may be a bit over, but I think the winners leagues will give Snow enough experience, enough for him to improve rapidly to become a better player. You'll be seeing more of him in the later rounds.
Woongjin players are a hard gamble, since they have 4 solid players (if they were in shape). I kinda wanted a Woongjin player and so I chose soulkey, since he looks most in form right now.
Feel some inflation this season, especially with team prices. Gotta at least dish out 3 points for a non-Ace team, and if I want like a decent team, I have to fork out at least like 5 points.
Face it HotBid, the only reason you posted meaningless lists like Two/Three Top 10 Finishes was to put your own name on there. It's okay, I would have too.
I'll be signing my team up shortly, as soon as my team of analysts finish running the numbers.
He's on Oz, and is probably the 2nd best player. Count on him to be sent out a good number of times provided JD doesn't win everything. A definite steal for main.
In a time when P is strong (several teams that are doing well have at least one strong protoss), Brave has quietly amassed a solid record vP. Coupled with Stork (who is looking weakest at PvP recently), he can help Khan overachieve.
vP sniper my ass. He hasn't beaten a capable, in form PvZ player since a hugely streaky run last year in SPL. What does Hogil even snipe these days? A sick JD?
You might be thinking, wait, what? It's true that Light can beat zergs. But what kind of team is idiotic enough to throw zergs at Light? Obviously, it'll be Terran or Protoss. Light's been figured out since his epic run last year. Most teams have not one but two players who could beat Light. That's more than enough to stop him.
Streak ending is worth points now, which gives a bit of an edge to snipers. Without that, I probably would have gotten Classic instead of Skyhigh and used the extra points on a 6-point team. To be honest, I'm still considering that, since the streak ending points aren't exactly huge.
Right now, I wouldn't be as confident in KT or Oz as I normally would in SWL. Flash and Jaedong are looking more mortal than ever, and (assuming their winrates have dropped to a depressing 66%) their chances of an All-Kill are around 20%. But who'd cover for Flash or JD if they do lose once? Once Flash and JD go, the rest of their teams are generally comprised of below-average or out-of-form players, which means deep teams like STX can actually beat KT and Oz.
That doesn't mean they're not going to win, though. If JD gets 3 wins (not unlikely) and Backho/Hiya/Anytime can muster together a single win between the three of them, that's still a win for Oz. Same if Flash wins 3 times and Stats/rOo/Action pull something together. What I'm worried about is that if Jaedong or Flash lose after picking up only 1 or 2 wins, their respective teams are probably doomed. And that's looking more likely than usual right now.
Prices are not so much inflated as scattered. I felt like there was a large range of players with about equal skill levels that spanned point values 2-9. Although that's probably a side effect of R2 being really weird in that almost nobody played consistently.
You might be thinking, wait, what? It's true that Light can beat zergs. But what kind of team is idiotic enough to throw zergs at Light? Obviously, it'll be Terran or Protoss. Light's been figured out since his epic run last year. Most teams have not one but two players who could beat Light. That's more than enough to stop him.
2010 Shinhan Bank Winners League: Record: 27 wins - 9 losses (75.00%) (6-6 TvP. Wins over Sangho, Bisu, Best, Much, Reach, Pure, losses to Violet, free, Jangbi, Snow, Guemchi, Kal.)
2009 Shinhan Bank Winners League: Record: 13 wins - 6 losses (68.42%) (3-3 TvP. Wins over Bisu, Best, Guemchi, losses to Jangbi (in PvT god mode), free, movie.)
um, good luck with that. Light has been producing in Proleague for four years now, with wins against top Protoss as well. Sure, he loses to noobs like Perfectman sometimes, but Light during Winner's League is scary as hell.
You might be thinking, wait, what? It's true that Light can beat zergs. But what kind of team is idiotic enough to throw zergs at Light? Obviously, it'll be Terran or Protoss. Light's been figured out since his epic run last year. Most teams have not one but two players who could beat Light. That's more than enough to stop him.
2010 Shinhan Bank Winners League: Record: 27 wins - 9 losses (75.00%) (6-6 PvP. Wins over Sangho, Bisu, Best, Much, Reach, Pure, losses to Violet, free, Jangbi, Snow, Guemchi, Kal.) 2009 Shinhan Bank Winners League: Record: 13 wins - 6 losses (68.42%) (3-3 PvP. Wins over Bisu, Best, Guemchi, losses to Jangbi (in PvT god mode), free, movie.)
um, good luck with that.
I was going to say the exact same thing, I think he had like 4 AK's in the last WL ... you might get severly pummeled with Light on your anti team lol
Do not just paste your team into this thread. This thread is for discussion only. That means if you're going to post your team, give a lot of reasons why you picked the players. Analysis and potential for more discussion is good. Posting "lol my team is JD Flash 4 scrubs and ace" ctrl+v paste team is not an acceptable post. It will be deleted.
2- Anytime: He's a banner for the OZ clan, and they will be waving him proudly this round. When things get dicey you can expect the Death God to make his appearance in order to rally the rest of his team. On top of that, he's looked, while not spectacular, fairly Solid and capable on a team where the Only other Solid players are Jaedong and HiyA.
7-Hydra: This is Hydra's breakout season, and this round is going to shove him right Into the spotlight. He's performed for Entus admirably these last few rounds and has shown no signs of weakening. If he stays the course, he will Only be showing better and better results given the WL format. (Also, I Really need a CJ zerg to cheer for now that EffOrt is retired and sAviOr is in jail xD)
2- Iris: We haven't seen much of the Berserker recently, seeing as he's probably still adjusting to his New life at aCe, but we all know what this man is capable of. On top of that, his 3 most recent appearances this past round resulted in him going 2-1, Only dropping a Game to a streaking Bisu, and managing to take out Really. For two points, I'll gladly take the most consistent player currently on aCe, both historically, and at present given the numbers.
5- Snow: Okay. They guy hasn't exactly been killing everyone and God lately. But he also isn't doing poorly. Snow has an immense amount of talent, and Only room to grow. A couple streaks this WL and I think we could see him, much like Hydra, Really break out and show us what he's capable of (Dreamleague Bonjwa anyone?). Also, given the Terran heavy reliance of some teams such as MBC and FOX, as well as the sure snipes he could get against Fantasy or Flash (we know he's capable of taking these two out), I can see him wracking up the points given the coaches put him out against the right teams.
7- Stork: The Dino-toss, the Goddamned COMMANDER for 7 points!?!? Need I say more? Probably not, but I will. Stork is hot right now, and he's just getting started. While some may argue that his inclusion in both individual leagues will sap his viability in the Winner's League, Song Byung Goo is also the same guy who plays cell phone games instead of practicing for Major games. Oh, and he wins despite this. . THAT'S how baller this guy is. He plays a well thought out, funky PvZ that screws with conventional timings and basically makes the Z second guess themselves. His PvT is ungodly (Flash reference ). And his PvP should be able to beat out nearly any other Protoss in the Game right now with at LEAST 50/50 odds. At 7 points, he's an absolute steal! Also, we don't have to worry about January picking Noobies for aCe matches and denying Stork a chance to Shine, IT'S WINNERS LEAGUE! When those noobies screw up, he has to come in and play! ^_^ With EffOrt gone, Stork is probably my favorite player in the league right now, and I believe!
1- XellOs: This may seem odd to some, but I just have a gut feeling about the Perfect Terran this round. The New BLooD on the aCe team is stirring the old, and XellOs is going to pick up his Game and get sent out, I just know it.
3- Samsung KHAN: Capable of MUCH more than their current standings. While I don't expect them to sweep the round or anything like that, they're capable of fielding a pretty wide array of Solid players in the forms of Stork, JangBi, and great on top of the burgeoning talent, which will result in an much improved standing for the KHAN clan.
ANTI-TEAM:
7- Fantasy: I hate Fantasy. I have hated the man since I saw him play for the First time and I saw his dumb gawky face. I have no reasons, just blind hatred. This is more me hoping he loses. So Fantasy, PLEASE LOSE. ALOT. Sincerely, you're biggest anti-fan Kimaker.
PS: You're TvZ is gimmicky and weak, and you're TvP has been figured out. Keep up the good work.
3- Kwanro: Slumping hard, and not looking to get any better. He's probably going to see some sort of play since SKT may want to snipe a P or something, but he'll just screw up. He's an all-in Zerg, something SKT already has in Hyuk, who is much more acceptable to my sensibilities. Shoulda stuck with CJ man.
-_-
...yeah, I'm still bitter.
4- Mind: Mind burst forth recently and looked like he was going to regain his MSL dominance. Got news for ya, not gonna happen people. He's going to get knocked out of the individual leagues and then fade back Into obscurity. Not to mention he's on a team stacked with Terrans, most of whom I feel are better than him. He's not going to see much play, and when he does, he's going to lose.
You might be thinking, wait, what? It's true that Light can beat zergs. But what kind of team is idiotic enough to throw zergs at Light? Obviously, it'll be Terran or Protoss. Light's been figured out since his epic run last year. Most teams have not one but two players who could beat Light. That's more than enough to stop him.
2010 Shinhan Bank Winners League: Record: 27 wins - 9 losses (75.00%) (6-6 PvP. Wins over Sangho, Bisu, Best, Much, Reach, Pure, losses to Violet, free, Jangbi, Snow, Guemchi, Kal.) 2009 Shinhan Bank Winners League: Record: 13 wins - 6 losses (68.42%) (3-3 PvP. Wins over Bisu, Best, Guemchi, losses to Jangbi (in PvT god mode), free, movie.)
um, good luck with that.
I was going to say the exact same thing, I think he had like 4 AK's in the last WL ... you might get severly pummeled with Light on your anti team lol
I guess I'm the only one who feels confident that Light's been figured out. I'm not willing to give him nearly as much credit based on performances that happened 1 year and 2 years ago, respectively. The SWL format won't change the fact that Light hasn't exactly been the best vP or vT player recently. Based on the fact that he keeps running into the enemy's ace and losing, I'd say he's easily snipeable and not going to be as much of a force as in past years. EDIT: Also note that protosses in general are stronger this season than in 2010 and 2009. The possibility of being sniped by PMan & Friends is going to put a dent in Light's playability.
@below: Roro is NEVER a solid anti-team pick. edit: wait, ehhhh, maybe. Although he's very capable of breaking out at any moment. Roro is S-class reader for a reason.
Main Team 7 Stork (captain) : I always felt that my mistake during the previous FPLs was to spend too many points in Flash or JD or Bisu, and in the end it's a lot better to have one 6pts and one 7pts good PL performers than one 13pts Flash. But yeah, I'm not 100% sure this choice is that good in a an-all kill format because that's where players like Flash or JD can be get more than a win in their respective 1-man-teams. At the meantime, we already saw Hyuk, Soulkey and other non S-class performs some all-kills. So instead of spending 14 in Flash + 1pt scrub, I decided to pick Stork and Fantasy, who are both not too expensive great players.
7 Fantasy : Fantasy always plays better under pressure. He will be extremely good when the team is down a few points. That means that he will get the very interesting "streak break" bonus more often than other players who would just choke if their team is down 0-3 or 1-3 (that implies SKT is down, but if the coach trolls us and Hyuk hyuks himself, Sun doesn't get his PvP, or Best plays a zerg...). If I wasn't a Bisu fan, I would hope that Bisu loses a lot so that would put me ahead of everyone who spent 11pts on him, then hopefully Fantasy would reverse all-kill haha.
5 BeSt : he didn't played a lot during R2, but he's still a very good asset for SKT, so 5 points for BeSt is really a good deal as long as he doesnt play a zerg.
2 Classic : I had to fill the gaps with cheap players, Classic seems to be the best pick for 2 points.
2 Modesty : He's got a ZvZ sniper reputation, but he's been playing very well in individual leagues, also beating free recently. 2 points for him is sure better than 4 points on Hyun (see antiteam)
4 Stats : I am thinking of getting another player instead. Indeed, I have no other KT player on my team, and KT wins will probably thanks to Flash's wins.
3 Samsung : I still hope that Jangbi will stop slumping, Stork is playing incredibly good games, Great is not that good, but really consistent, and the two rookies Brave and Turn are promising. Let's just hope that January won't send Chavi and Juni too often.
Anti Team 5 Action : A big disappointment this season. I think that KT will either all-kill with Flash, either fails miserably. 4 HyuN : A mediocre player still worth 4 points. 4 Jaehoon : Jaehoon played surprisingly well the last round, but I predict that MBC will perform terribly during the Winners League, and that explains why I picked both Hyun and Jaehoon on my antiteam.
Probably screwed up some players, but i dont think anytime is going to show his good side during WL. Action has been losing games since R2, and hiya has been letting down oz for most of the 10-11 PL. That said i hope jaedong will go on a blast here, it seems like they need the WL to catch up on team rankings. And with the way oz is standing now im not going to bet on them though.
Since samsung has been doing pretty well this season, i would try out with them first, but if flash and jaedong decides to go super saiyan i'll probably be missing out on alot. FBH has been playing pretty solid lately, with his cookoe-cutter execution of SK terran amd his tvp has greatly improved since the match with jaehoon, so i hope he would give me some fpl points ^^
Flash is probably gonna be a good bet here. He is out of MSL OSL and probably not that happy about it. WL will be his main focus and he is out to prove that he still is nr1. I expect a few all kills from Flash!
Sadly I did not think like this when I signed up :-)
On January 05 2011 20:40 purpose wrote: Flash is probably gonna be a good bet here. He is out of MSL OSL and probably not that happy about it. WL will be his main focus and he is out to prove that he still is nr1. I expect a few all kills from Flash!
Sadly I did not think like this when I signed up :-)
You can overwrite your team if you change your mind.
On January 05 2011 20:40 purpose wrote: Flash is probably gonna be a good bet here. He is out of MSL OSL and probably not that happy about it. WL will be his main focus and he is out to prove that he still is nr1. I expect a few all kills from Flash!
Sadly I did not think like this when I signed up :-)
You can overwrite your team if you change your mind.
How do I do that? I dont even know were to find my team after submitting it :-)
On January 05 2011 20:40 purpose wrote: Flash is probably gonna be a good bet here. He is out of MSL OSL and probably not that happy about it. WL will be his main focus and he is out to prove that he still is nr1. I expect a few all kills from Flash!
Sadly I did not think like this when I signed up :-)
You can overwrite your team if you change your mind.
How do I do that? I dont even know were to find my team after submitting it :-)
7- Fantasy: I hate Fantasy. I have hated the man since I saw him play for the First time and I saw his dumb gawky face. I have no reasons, just blind hatred. This is more me hoping he loses. So Fantasy, PLEASE LOSE. ALOT. Sincerely, you're biggest anti-fan Kimaker.
PS: You're TvZ is gimmicky and weak, and you're TvP has been figured out. Keep up the good work.
HardCorey United States. January 06 2011 00:15. Posts 81 PM Profile Report Quote # This definitely feels like too much work for me haha. I hope it catches on though should be fun for some people. :D
This takes no work at all. Just choose a couple of ur favorite players and let it roll. Its always fun to see if your team is doing well. I personally never do trades. I like to see if my picks at the beginning of the series turn out well in the end. Sometimes I'm in the top 50 and other times I've ended in the 100's. You should def give it a try. And afterward you should tell all your friends your playing Fantasy SC:BW winners league cause its freakin awesome.
ps. Everyone keeps saying Snow is going to play well so I took him off my anti lol. Although I'm very sure he will still not play well. He's about 3 months from being back in form.
I finally registered after lurking for a year to participate in this. Can't wait for the games to start!
For my anti-team I chose Violet and RuBy because I feel they will be unlikely to get many games (hence not earning appearance point). I also chose Really because I think he is less likely to play for Stars than ZerO, Neo.G_Soulkey and free and he had a surprisingly hight point value for someone with such a low win ratio.
For my main I tried to be cost-effective by choosing several players likely to win games and to be picked but not the marquee players for their team like Hydra and Calm, rather than one or two expensive sure things like Flash and filler.
If I could include XSebT, Craton and Mustaju in my team I would too keep up the great work guys!
Team discussion: I attempt to go for maximum return: usually the top players cost more than they "earn" so I go with middle-rank players, but this leaves you open as those players tend to be more unpredictable. Anyway, the team:
Main Team 3 firebathero (captain) - I ended up picking up a lot of Zerg players, and needed a Terran. I also have a long history of selecting firebathero as captain. So yeah. 7 Hydra - For a bona fide ace player, given some of the other prices, Hydra was right up there. Of course, we don't know how he'll do in WL, and he may get pushed out a little if Leta goes on a hot streak. 7 Shine - The most consistent of WeMade's players. Not the threat to all-kill of BaBy (or even RorO, whose skill ceiling is imo higher), but more dangerous match to match and a sure stopgap. 3 Crazy-Hydra - The most "efficient" player in terms of ratio of points earned to cost (other than Brave and TurN, who I stayed away from since they both had worrying R2s). 4 Tyson - Needed a Protoss. This is (one of) the Protoss who almost beat Flash in the last WL Playoffs, and he's been doing good this year - and after paying for Shine and Hydra, he's cheap! 1 Yellow 5 Woongjin - Woongjin, however worryingly bad they are at times, does have a bunch of depth. I'm debating dropping to WeMade and picking up a 3-pointer to replace YellOw, but we'll see. I may also go with MBC instead - or pay for STX and dowgrade somebody.
Other than Action, who is bad and seriously overpriced thus making him a clear anti choice, this is basically boom or bust: HiyA and Jangbi are both potential S-Class players (thus the still high price) in terrible terrible slumps (thus the anti selection). If either returns to form, I'm screwed; if they keep playing awful, this will be just fine.
I think gambling on Ace players are a good idea, since a lot of them are mature enough to take responsibility and such... I think Anytime will definitely get more playtime especially since everyone else well, sucks atm.
You've made a critical error there--Anytime was released from his military service a little over two months ago. He's back to playing for Hwaseung Oz.
Efficiency (best points scored per cost so far): WeMade (3), Brave (3), TurN (3), ggaemo (4), Stats (4), by.hero (3), Crazy-Hydra (3) A little math reveals this is only 23 points; on further inspection let's drop TurN and Brave (who saw less work in R2) to get to 17, and pick us up some ace players. For instance Hydra (7) and ZerO (6). Final: WeMade (3), ggaemo (4), Stats (4), by.hero (3) (c), Crazy-Hydra (3), Hydra (7), ZerO (6).
Most Improved (most improvement from R1 to R2): This is going to get expensive, because a lot of aces were playing badly in R1. Anyway, your start would be: Hydra (7), Light (7), Stork (7), Calm (5), Leta (9), Shine (7), ACE (0). Even with ACE, this is a 42 point team; how you reduce it is a tricky question. Light is usually a WL star and is getting back on his feet; keep him. Leta looks overpriced but probably worth it because: Winnersleague. Stork hasn't shown up that well in past WL - ditch him. Shine and Hydra are essentially clones of each other record-wise so far, but because of their very different play-styles I'd only keep one. Calm's always a threat. So with: Leta (9), Light (7), Calm (5), Hydra (7), ACE (0), you're at 28. I'd recommend spending your 2 on Grape and whichever of Cloud and Rock (both 0) you think will a) suck less or b) play less). Alternatively, pick another 2 pointer; alternatively, go with a pair of 1-point threats (Xellos and Reach, Xellos and Sharp, Xellos and Peace, Xellos and honestlyXellosistheonlyevencompetent1-pointeranywayjustpickone). Final: Leta (9) (c), Light (7), Calm (5), Hydra (7), Grape (2), Rock (0), ACE (0)
One thing that's important to check out is: Your Player's Team Wins: +1 Point***
So just imo an equivalently skilled/priced CJ or SKT player should be valued higher than an ACE player simply because of an increased likelihood of their team to win.
Can somebody please do a comparison for the historical results of choosing a 13 point player vs a 6+7 point player? Thanks,
Yo man.....this is incredibly hard to make a team. Last round there were gimmes in Leta, Light, and Stork all at 4 points. Damn this is gonna be hard. I better not be late this time LOL.
He's on Oz, and is probably the 2nd best player. Count on him to be sent out a good number of times provided JD doesn't win everything. A definite steal for main.
In a time when P is strong (several teams that are doing well have at least one strong protoss), Brave has quietly amassed a solid record vP. Coupled with Stork (who is looking weakest at PvP recently), he can help Khan overachieve.
vP sniper my ass. He hasn't beaten a capable, in form PvZ player since a hugely streaky run last year in SPL. What does Hogil even snipe these days? A sick JD?
You might be thinking, wait, what? It's true that Light can beat zergs. But what kind of team is idiotic enough to throw zergs at Light? Obviously, it'll be Terran or Protoss. Light's been figured out since his epic run last year. Most teams have not one but two players who could beat Light. That's more than enough to stop him.
Streak ending is worth points now, which gives a bit of an edge to snipers. Without that, I probably would have gotten Classic instead of Skyhigh and used the extra points on a 6-point team. To be honest, I'm still considering that, since the streak ending points aren't exactly huge.
Right now, I wouldn't be as confident in KT or Oz as I normally would in SWL. Flash and Jaedong are looking more mortal than ever, and (assuming their winrates have dropped to a depressing 66%) their chances of an All-Kill are around 20%. But who'd cover for Flash or JD if they do lose once? Once Flash and JD go, the rest of their teams are generally comprised of below-average or out-of-form players, which means deep teams like STX can actually beat KT and Oz.
That doesn't mean they're not going to win, though. If JD gets 3 wins (not unlikely) and Backho/Hiya/Anytime can muster together a single win between the three of them, that's still a win for Oz. Same if Flash wins 3 times and Stats/rOo/Action pull something together. What I'm worried about is that if Jaedong or Flash lose after picking up only 1 or 2 wins, their respective teams are probably doomed. And that's looking more likely than usual right now.
Prices are not so much inflated as scattered. I felt like there was a large range of players with about equal skill levels that spanned point values 2-9. Although that's probably a side effect of R2 being really weird in that almost nobody played consistently.
Except Stork.
Who is now 7 points.
Very good team, looking forward to seeing you dish out the pain! Subject to change.
i was tempted to put stork on my main team, but i'm hoping fantasy takes light spot as "All Kill" wonder in this WL.
i'm betting on stx to win this WL, so i'm putting shuttle and calm in my team. Hope i'm right (tought i'm cheering for CJ to take this round ). Last WL was my best FPL so far, if it weren't for FBH i could've been in the top 20 or top 10....
Anytime can actually win games now that he left ACE. Bbyong is actually good. you just dont know it. Hydra is gonna become a bonjwa. hes gonna overtake Jaedong and Flash after winning his first MSL and not slump like the rest. I have light because i need a good terran on my team and he was good last WL. Paralyze has an afro. Snow will help Hydra destroy the world in 2011.
I dont like calm. Jangbi is slumping hard. HAAAAAAAAARD. and i doubt Violet will do anything with Flash allkilling everyone.
What I did to take advantage of the team win +1 bonus is I took 6 people from 6 different teams (Oz, Khan, Hite, ACE, STX, KT) and made sure that none of the people on my anti were on any of those 3 teams (think about it, if you put say, stork on main and great on anti you don't take advantage of your samsung win bonus since you get 0 whenever it happens!) going with 2 FOX players and one Stars player.
I didn't really make any special plans around streak breaking though. I guess I'll see what happens
Anytime can actually win games now that he left ACE. Bbyong is actually good. you just dont know it. Hydra is gonna become a bonjwa. hes gonna overtake Jaedong and Flash after winning his first MSL and not slump like the rest. I have light because i need a good terran on my team and he was good last WL. Paralyze has an afro. Snow will help Hydra destroy the world in 2011.
I dont like calm. Jangbi is slumping hard. HAAAAAAAAARD. and i doubt Violet will do anything with Flash allkilling everyone.
This is the kind of statement that confuses me sometimes. It's true that Flash/Jaedong are threats to all-kill but people need not worry about starting times for that. After all, if anything, KT/Oz might send out 1-3 players before sending out Flash/Jaedong so playing time concerns aren't entirely that bad.
Anytime can actually win games now that he left ACE. Bbyong is actually good. you just dont know it. Hydra is gonna become a bonjwa. hes gonna overtake Jaedong and Flash after winning his first MSL and not slump like the rest. I have light because i need a good terran on my team and he was good last WL. Paralyze has an afro. Snow will help Hydra destroy the world in 2011.
I dont like calm. Jangbi is slumping hard. HAAAAAAAAARD. and i doubt Violet will do anything with Flash allkilling everyone.
This is the kind of statement that confuses me sometimes. It's true that Flash/Jaedong are threats to all-kill but people need not worry about starting times for that. After all, if anything, KT/Oz might send out 1-3 players before sending out Flash/Jaedong so playing time concerns aren't entirely that bad.
oh right. lol well violet isnt consistent enough so i think hes a solid choice for the anti team
On January 05 2011 16:21 bearbuddy wrote: Price inflation?
Seems kinda hard to get a large set of decent players this round, at least relative to the previous official ones. Teams are also pretty expensive, with the exception of ACE.
Yeah. It still seems confusing to a scrub like me who STILL WANTS TO WIN
Reasoning: Jaedong is jaedong, so im hoping for some 4-0s. Anytime for 2 points is a steal, and I think he will preform well (though he didn't do too well in R2...) FBH can rake in some wins, pretty solid player and a good buy at 3 points. Modesty will be sent out for ZvZ snipes, so hopefully he can get one or two wins every match. Last round I picked n.die_Soo, and he didn't do too well. So I'm picking the next mediocre SKT zerg, s2! I'm hoping he does well as he sure did a lot better than soo lol. sKyHigh = well priced at 3. KT should do really well thanks to Flash, but I'm hoping his team can pull it together to help them win.
Action is kinda failing, and so is Hiya. Can't believe HyuN is actually 4 points - what a steal for anti team.
Anytime can actually win games now that he left ACE. Bbyong is actually good. you just dont know it. Hydra is gonna become a bonjwa. hes gonna overtake Jaedong and Flash after winning his first MSL and not slump like the rest. I have light because i need a good terran on my team and he was good last WL. Paralyze has an afro. Snow will help Hydra destroy the world in 2011.
I dont like calm. Jangbi is slumping hard. HAAAAAAAAARD. and i doubt Violet will do anything with Flash allkilling everyone.
This is the kind of statement that confuses me sometimes. It's true that Flash/Jaedong are threats to all-kill but people need not worry about starting times for that. After all, if anything, KT/Oz might send out 1-3 players before sending out Flash/Jaedong so playing time concerns aren't entirely that bad.
oh right. lol well violet isnt consistent enough so i think hes a solid choice for the anti team
Fair enough. :p After all, Violet did lose to Killer before...X_X
I found it really difficult to choose a team this time around. Maybe because everyone is fairly accurately priced (or just very pricey in general). Generally most rounds have the obvious "Stork & Leta @ 4, Flash @ 6" players to get but although there are a few overpriced players none stand out as particularly good steals at low prices.
Anyway, preliminary team that I'm completely unsure about at the moment. Free seems like a dumb choice but whatever Stars ftw. Iris and Modesty... uhh... no comment.
Anti seems like a no-brainer though, all three are stupidly easy to snipe and won't go on more than a 1-win streak (2 if they're lucky/Snow).
Thought Process Canata as captain: Favorite player, but also allows for flexible trading options. SKT will do well in Winner's League, thus he will net me win points. Might get an appearance or two in WL, which is what anyone could hope for in a one-pointer.
Best: Good streak breaker as he his strong in two matchups, also in SKT. Yes, he can get sniped by a Zerg, but for 5 points, decent value for him.
Light: Can't ignore last season's 3 AKs, and he will turn around. This will be my most volatile investment. Sea/Kal could be a replacement so this team may change. Mulling over 7 point options.
Free: Solid choice, also on a good day, he can compete against the best.
Modesty: ZvZ sniper, and there sure are going to be a lot of Zergs.
Stork and Samsung: Ace for Samsung, and starting to go on a roll. I believe Samsung is due for a turnaround in WL.
Anti-Team: Killer: Never liked him, and JD-lite isn't going to do well. OZ will slump terribly as I don't see one-man teams going to dominate as much this season.
Action:Ditto for Flash's team.
ggaemo:ACE will severely diminish his skills this season. For 4 points, this was an easy anti-team choice for me.
Jaedong Jaedong Jaedong.... okay 19 points left lol >< Get Hwaseung too, 15 points left...
Initially chose BeSt and Calm seeing as they were going for cheap and both were probably going to make heaps of appearances - BeSt is SKT's Protoss Ace of choice most of the time, and Calm well he just gets around the PL a lot. I also picked sKyHigh, 08/09 WL was the very first season of Proleague I watched, and skyHigh was dominating that, and ended with that reverse all-kill that broke my heart ><
... then switched to Stork, believing all the hype, which isn't a bad choice regardless since he'll probably get sent out every game unless January feels like trolling again.
This left me with a horrible point budget left to buy stuff, 3 points for Brave who has seen a lot of action in PL recently, 2 points for Iris since he'll probably get sent out a lot more often due to history/new recruit in ACE, 2 points for Modesty as a cheap ZvZ sniper (he was a 1 point wonder in R2), and sHy for 1 point Hwaseung player.
Anti Team:
Action and Pure were massive flops in 2010 of this season and were easy picks. Jaehoon is also known for fail, probably a pick in every anti-team I'd come up with on principle .
Pretty much, Action and Jaehoon remain from R2 anti-team, not going to jump on the RorO bandwagon this time and get self owned ^^.
Additional Thoughts:
I want to buy Anytime too, but then I'd be left with no Terran, and I can't find any 1 point Terran that I can reliably hope to get points with, at least sHy gets sent out every so often and is on JD's team.
The only reason I'm not buying Flash over Jaedong is purely because of fanboy bias, with no OSL or MSL to practice for, I'm terribly frightened of Flash in the WL... who knows what he's capable of with so much time on his hands...
Lots of Bogus antis this time, I for one think he's fairly reliable~
Main Players: Stork (C): During winners league he always manage to able to take out 2-3 players before his teammates play but I predict that he will do a all-kill this season of winners league.
Calm: Even though he lost to mind in OSL his still a good player but not against though opponents like JD, Flash, bisu but I could be wrong. Pretty much what ever I wrote for stork is pretty much the same for Calm
Flying: Even though I haven't seen flying play on proleague this season I still have hopes that he will be able to play games even though free is on the starting lineup for stars.
HiyA: HiyA the one that defeated JD in OSL but can he take games in WL against though opponents? and finally achieve the all kill for his team Hwaseung OZ. A very good TvP and TvZ but his TvT ehh kinda of sketchy but he could make it up for in WL.
HoGiL: The ZvP of Hite Entus but can you still call him that? Hogil isn't the same hogil that he was in Hite sparkyz days only to get send for PvZ, but now his able to be send in ZvT as for his ZvZ its still not there. Since its winners league im pretty sure the only roll that his gonna get is a ZvP sinpe and losing the next game. hey his 3 points I mine as well get a ZvP sinpe than horang2(which is 4 points) PvP sinpe.
sKyHigh: We all know that skyhigh can do all-kill and reverse all-kills in one game but can he even play a game in WL?, with Leta taking the terran spot light on Hite Entus what can skyhigh do for them? All I can say is if there about to get all killed by some player send him cause he will reverse it. One word for skyhigh is MOMENTUM once he gets that he will start become a key player for hite entus.
Anti Team: Action: Im pretty sure im gonna regret picking Action for my anti team but his been sucking in PL so I hope he brings that with him on WL.
Pure Pure yet again he will always be on my Anti because his not GOOD.
Tyson Tyson I just picked him cause his a MBC protoss and I know MBC protoss is lacking wins.
If your looking for a 1-point player who is capable of performance, let me remind you of a baller called hyvaa. In all other formats, he's less then subpar and really doesnt shine to well. But when All-kill comes into play, this man is a solid pillar of results. Every year, he does awful on his own but everytime All-kill rolls around, he blows everyone out of the water. Whatever it is, He's fantastic for his price.
On January 06 2011 11:59 bumatlarge wrote: If your looking for a 1-point player who is capable of performance, let me remind you of a baller called hyvaa. In all other formats, he's less then subpar and really doesnt shine to well. But when All-kill comes into play, this man is a solid pillar of results. Every year, he does awful on his own but everytime All-kill rolls around, he blows everyone out of the water. Whatever it is, He's fantastic for his price.
Oh I was considering that too but ummm from what I can see he didn't do so well apart of beating Jaedong in the '10 WL. He's also not on eSTRO anymore though so he probably won't get sent out as much as he used to. Still arguably a nice 1 pointer choice~ thanks for pointing that out - even for STX team wins.
Also, (IMPORTANT) since Canata got removed from the SKT roster for January, does one still get points from him if SKT wins?
On January 06 2011 12:07 IntoTheEmo wrote: Also, (IMPORTANT) since Canata got removed from the SKT roster for January, does one still get points from him if SKT wins?
Good question I was about to ask this myself. Should we just replace him?
On January 06 2011 11:59 bumatlarge wrote: If your looking for a 1-point player who is capable of performance, let me remind you of a baller called hyvaa. In all other formats, he's less then subpar and really doesnt shine to well. But when All-kill comes into play, this man is a solid pillar of results. Every year, he does awful on his own but everytime All-kill rolls around, he blows everyone out of the water. Whatever it is, He's fantastic for his price.
There is the one thing to note that in previous years he was playing as the best Zerg on eSTRO, where now he's behind Calm and by.hero, and probably even Modesty. If he manages to baller it up in those circumstances, I'm all for declaring him the new WL bonjwa, but I'm not counting on it this time.
Main Team 5 BeSt He is a beast, not easily sniped and on SKT1. The best 5 pointer 3 HoGiL Underrated imo, something tells me he'll get a lot of play time/snipes. 2 Modesty (captain) Good ZvZ, his team is deep but neither kal or calm promise that much. He definately will get sent out and win a game or two. Captain since he wont be traded anyway. 4 RorO All around FOX zerg, definately can hold his ground against whatever is thrown at him. I dont trust mind,pure or midas really... 7 Sea This is a big gamble, this spot was originally stork's but EVERYONE has stork, and if you want to win this you have to be different. (see motbob's how to win liquibet) Sea is a monster and cannot be sniped easy, he has not been great at WL format, but im sure he is feeling hungry atm 6 ZerO For 6 points seems like a really sweet deal now that he can ZvZ and win. 3 Samsung With stork,brave,turn and great, khan actually seems pretty fit for this format. Anti Team 4 ggaemo 3 M18M 6 Really
Really is overprized, and what can i say, i do not believe in ace
7- Fantasy: I hate Fantasy. I have hated the man since I saw him play for the First time and I saw his dumb gawky face. I have no reasons, just blind hatred. This is more me hoping he loses. So Fantasy, PLEASE LOSE. ALOT. Sincerely, you're biggest anti-fan Kimaker.
PS: You're TvZ is gimmicky and weak, and you're TvP has been figured out. Keep up the good work.
ooooh damn my First reaL FPL ;/. Such hard choices and I am really sad that I couldnt get neither Jaedong or Leta since both are my favorite players right now. Well I obviously took Light with Sea being in a mini-slump right now. I blame Shine. It was kinda an easy choice. MBC Hwaiting =) Now the real trouble began. In the end I bet that Calm and free are gonna roflstomped all the their opponents. I've been really thinking about getting great and RorO instead. However I like them both way more :D I surely made sure to take Anytime not only is he a total baller but he is also the best P on Oz right now !. The last choice was very hard to but I tookHoGiL instead of firebathero As the Team choice STX gogoggogo !!!!
Too get a good Anti is kinda hard too. Most people seem to take Action with the performance he displayed today they might be right in doing so. But I strongly believe that MafiaZerg will pwn faces in the WL. So I took Really since he will fail utterly ! There are many 4 Point Protosses who all suck hard lately. Sorry JangBi I doubt you will get out of your slump any time soon. Also remember last WL when Jaehoon owned everybody ! Or does my mind plays tricks on me :D. Well last the spot took M18M his performance wasnt impressive at all
After some deep soul-searching, I decided to tear apart the SKT deck team I had built and replace it with the Air Force team that reflects my rabid fanboyism. I tried not to make it decently competitive, however, since basing your team on Air Force ACE frees up a lots of points.
firebathero himself is decent choice even in competitive teams, so this is no-brainer. ggaemo is obvious addition since he is sent out frequently. Struggled between M18M and Much but thought the former was better choice b/c of gut. I liked what I watched in few games he played. Added RuBy to reap benefits of +1 for team win, and he does manage to snipe better players in some occasions.
Remaining huge pool of points were utilized to take Kal and Stork. I believe they'll turn out to be excellent investments considering their current streaks and the Protoss-favoured nature of the maps.
I don't like Zerg as anti since ZvZ is volatile and one of them sniping good zerg player with a streak can quite hurt, but couldn't see much alternative anyway. My policy is that picking an frequently played player big no no, so avoided cases of clear aces like HiyA or Bogus (not much other players to replace them while in except of Killer, you can expect - say - Princess to take his place comfortably).
This is my first attempt at fantasy proleague- hopefully I can do better than average
Ok,my team is pretty much done but i am still thinking how to spend 7 points for 2 players on my main and what 4-pointer to put in my anti...For now i have Snow+Classic and Jangbi on anti.But i'm cosiering getting 0 points player and a good 7 points player instead of those two and i'm thorn apart between Jangbi and ggaemo for anti...Sugestions ?
Ok so I changed my team to this. I really did want stork but in the end its a no brainer. Flash is out of both OSL and MSL and has only one thing to focus on and thats WL. He will go crazy to prove he is still nr1. Stork is amazing but with both MSL and OSL how can he possibly prepare enough to do good enough in WL?
I also think players that are out of the OSL MSL will perform better since they dont have to focus on so many things and can play more relaxed. Anytime has the rutin and skill to take wins. Calm can chees his way to an all kill since maps often favours zerg.
Modesty has done ok and with good maps he can also do well.
As for my anti team, who knows, I sure dont and just picked 3 players :-)
Stork, since he's an obvious steal, along RorO who I always choose since my newcomer mistake of putting him in my first antiteam. KT as team, since they always do well, even though Flash is nowhere near as dominant as last time, but well, that'd be quite a feat. Took Iris since I wanted some ACE presence in my team, Anytime who apparently might be doing well and isn't really costly. I put Mind first, along with I think Hogil, but sKyHigh got the spot as a legitimate sniper (especially with streak-breaking points) when I decided to include RorO, prompting a downgrade of my Terran choice. ZerO, being quite well-rounded and efficient, seemed like a good choice (I'm really awful at telling which Zerg is good or not. )
For antiteam, ggaemo was a must have. Yeah, he'll get to play a lot... as to the number of matches played. Sets ? One. Really. This guy's making me rage, he looks terribad, he is terribad, he loses games handed to him on a plate, he's bad under pressure, he's responsible for more than one ACE's loss, have never been able to catch-up to his opponents, his muta "micro" makes him awful at ZvZ, and ACE coach still fields him everytime to offer a free set to their opponent. I don't understand. But ggaemo makes me rage and cringe, badly, and I really can't do otherwise that taking him as the first choice for my anti. If ou have to be one of the worst progamers I've ever seen, ggaemo, well you could at least prove useful to something!
Ranting aside, I wasn't sure who to put then, but Jaehoon seems to be counter-performing "well" enough to be eligible, and... well, choosing that 5 pointer is hard. I'm not sure who to pick and I might change it, but reading this thread convinced me to pick Action over Great.
Might do some tweaking with my team too, even though I'm not sure who to pick in this case...
On January 06 2011 12:07 IntoTheEmo wrote: Also, (IMPORTANT) since Canata got removed from the SKT roster for January, does one still get points from him if SKT wins?
Good question I was about to ask this myself. Should we just replace him?
Hasn't been answered yet :\
Realize that this is posted in the OP:
***This counts for all players on the team's roster, even if they did not play in the match
SWL is in 24 hours, I'd like to know if it's possible to have Canata in there, I'd rather have him than anyone else for 1 point atm considering the way I want my team to be structured. Thanks to anyone to reads :\
As I recall, you get points for people being on b-team as well as a-team. So if he was simply sent to b-team then, yes, you'll get team win points for having him. If he's retired .... then he shouldn't be available. From reading the January Roster thread, it doesn't sound like he's retired. You can keep him. Plus PM'ing Hot_Bid would be more likely to get a response than posting here.
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sigh I'm so out of touch with the Broodwar scene. 23 hours to go, and now I have to trawl through every players stats to get an idea of how people have been doing. (Who am I kidding? I do that every fpl anyway and LOVE it! )
On January 07 2011 16:04 Subversive wrote: As I recall, you get points for people being on b-team as well as a-team. So if he was simply sent to b-team then, yes, you'll get team win points for having him. If he's retired .... then he shouldn't be available. From reading the January Roster thread, it doesn't sound like he's retired. You can keep him. Plus PM'ing Hot_Bid would be more likely to get a response than posting here.
EDIT:
sigh I'm so out of touch with the Broodwar scene. 23 hours to go, and now I have to trawl through every players stats to get an idea of how people have been doing. (Who am I kidding? I do that every fpl anyway and LOVE it! )
Thanks so much for responding <3 waited 2 days to get one. And I did think of PMing HotBid, but then I remembered he's also in charge of adding streams on top of having to deal with ban complaints and what not and decided against it, thinking I'd get an answer here from people who have played before.
Yeah that sounds logical, but I just wanted to make sure - thanks again!
Main Team 5 Calm Seems to be back on track and is pretty solid for his 5pt price tag being co-ace for STX and all, can't imagine him not getting playtime and he'll win his fair share most likely
7 Fantasy (captain) Favorite player, never really my most logical pick but hoping he gets in a decent run. Will probably always find a spot on my team(s) anyways. Really payed off last "official FPL" season even though he was, as always, toted as the most unstable high pointer (It's just how he is, but he's pretty clutch still)
7 Hydra On a tear, hoping it continues. Let's just say his tlpd looks even more "flashy" than the real ones.
0 Rock Positive record vs the dong and even more incentive to spam "CAN YOU SMELL?" and other token phrases in chat while he's cooking up some classic 2base carrier build.
7 Stork Not too expensive and obviously pretty solid
1 XellOs Needed a 1 pointer and he seems pretty decent atm and is hopefully to be a regular on ace's lineup (which has apparently stopped being all that laughable) now that he's started winning again
3 WeMade SKT way to pricy, wemade my 2nd favorite team. Didn't really pick any of their players since it's a pretty evenly distributed team and who knows who is getting playtime (aside from their most expensive player(s) which I can't afford anyways)
Anti Team 5 Action Slumpy atm, seemed the iffiest of the 5ptrs
4 Killer Don't dislike killer at all but he hasn't failed me as an anti pick yet (unfortunately? :/)
Overall i'm not too sure of how my stuff fares in the WL format, haven't played this yet in it. I may be severely undervaluing snipers for their streak breaking (but then again top players can both streak break and win the following match getting even more pts). I didn't really wan't any on my anti but as a main I guess the 3 7ptrs can kind of double as both a sniper and a streaker so I guess that'll have to do.
Had a way more balanced team done but then kind of just looked at Stork's price compared to his form (yes he's in both leagues though so less focus I guess, but still). Couldn't skip him, some adjustments had to be made; for better or worse, who knows.
On January 07 2011 16:04 Subversive wrote: As I recall, you get points for people being on b-team as well as a-team. So if he was simply sent to b-team then, yes, you'll get team win points for having him. If he's retired .... then he shouldn't be available. From reading the January Roster thread, it doesn't sound like he's retired. You can keep him. Plus PM'ing Hot_Bid would be more likely to get a response than posting here.
EDIT:
sigh I'm so out of touch with the Broodwar scene. 23 hours to go, and now I have to trawl through every players stats to get an idea of how people have been doing. (Who am I kidding? I do that every fpl anyway and LOVE it! )
Thanks so much for responding <3 waited 2 days to get one. And I did think of PMing HotBid, but then I remembered he's also in charge of adding streams on top of having to deal with ban complaints and what not and decided against it, thinking I'd get an answer here from people who have played before.
Yeah that sounds logical, but I just wanted to make sure - thanks again!
You're most welcome. And you remind me why I love this site, so many well-mannered folk around like yourself. And considerate of you not to want to bother Hot_Bid .
I'm trying to figure out my anti-team here. I need a 4-pointer to round out Killer+Action, and there are several decent candidates, but...
Pure: was very good in R1, but not in R2, and usually sucks in PL. HiyA: has been terrible so far, but may be improving again Jangbi: is bad, but was improving some in R2 and is usually KHAN's only good WL player. Mind: consistently mediocre... but I'd almost certainly be giving up points, there's no gamble here. Other?
Thought Process Canata as captain: Favorite player, but also allows for flexible trading options. SKT will do well in Winner's League, thus he will net me win points. Might get an appearance or two in WL, which is what anyone could hope for in a one-pointer.
Best: Good streak breaker as he his strong in two matchups, also in SKT. Yes, he can get sniped by a Zerg, but for 5 points, decent value for him.
Light: Can't ignore last season's 3 AKs, and he will turn around. This will be my most volatile investment. Sea/Kal could be a replacement so this team may change. Mulling over 7 point options.
Free: Solid choice, also on a good day, he can compete against the best.
Modesty: ZvZ sniper, and there sure are going to be a lot of Zergs.
Stork and Samsung: Ace for Samsung, and starting to go on a roll. I believe Samsung is due for a turnaround in WL.
Anti-Team: Killer: Never liked him, and JD-lite isn't going to do well. OZ will slump terribly as I don't see one-man teams going to dominate as much this season.
Action:Ditto for Flash's team.
ggaemo:ACE will severely diminish his skills this season. For 4 points, this was an easy anti-team choice for me.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Canata has been removed from Jan's lineup
I think gambling on Ace players are a good idea, since a lot of them are mature enough to take responsibility and such... I think Anytime will definitely get more playtime especially since everyone else well, sucks atm.
You've made a critical error there--Anytime was released from his military service a little over two months ago. He's back to playing for Hwaseung Oz.
there's no critical error. I meant Anytime since he just got off Ace, and my analysis is based on him back on Hwaseung.
Now, ggaemo is in ACE and that while he did perform decently last season, in this format I don't think he will excel at all because ACE lacks practice partners. HiyA and JangBi are slumping, but could post a turnaround this season due to their sheer amount of talent, and OZ/KHAN needs them to perform to succeed in Winners League. I feel that picking a WeMade player is a crapshoot, with Pure, Mind, RorO, and Midas all viable for appearances; some players are going to be left out in the cold. Ditto for MBC with HyuN, Jaehoon and Tyson. Violet and Stats are going to get appearances because they are KT Protoss, but who is going to take the bulk of them, are they going to be put into sniper modes? Horang2 and Shuttle could get some appearances, but will it justify their cost, since their teams have deep lineups to consider, but team wins should be plentiful. I have a disdain for Killer, so I couldn't give an objective statement about him.
With that being said, I made my team based on avoiding the 4-point player pool simply because there really isn't a good option to take. What are your opinions about the 4-point player pool, could there be decent gems, or should players just avoid this group and change their teams to reflect this?
If I spend 7 points on Stork, I might as well risk a shot at another Samsung KHAN player, and pick up the team as well, in the hopes that they do well and I can win this FPL. A solid player who has been improving as of late.
It would be crazy to not pick Calm -- he's doing very well in PL and just beat Mind in the OSL. At only 5 points and a member of Jaedongs' 'dream team', what more could you want?
Staying in the spirit of taking risks in FPL, Hydra is another of those 'necessary' picks. He's been doing amazingly well in PL this season, and theres no reason to think he won't rack up some win-streaks.
Not sure why he's only 2 points, another obvious choice. He just beat Kal in a BO3, and before that free, Hydra, ZerO, and Fantasy in the PL. He'll not only break some win-streaks, but make some of his own.
Last, and probably least, there's Canata. Recently in PL, he's been, well, awful. Still, he's still capable of winning games, and his team, SKT, will probably give him a few win-points even if his individual performance isn't anything to praise. Also, I needed a Terran.
As aforementioned, I have to pick Samsung KHAN after picking Stork and great if I want any chance of doing well in FPL. The team has a good value and lots of 4-0 / 4-1 / 4-2 potential.
With the two above choices being obvious, I needed a 5 Point player. BeSt, unfortunately, seemed like the best option. Although I've always thought he was a great player, I'm _way_ too scared of Action to put him on my anti-team, and both free and Snow are solid enough that they will almost definitely rack up some points -- of course, BeSt is on SKT, which is a favorite to win and _will_ do well, so its quite a tossup. It was a very tough choice, and it might sink my team, but I think it was the best one for my awesome team.
Main Team 5 BeSt 5 Calm 3 firebathero 2 Iris 2 Modesty 7 Stork (captain) 6 KT
Anti Team 5 Free 4 Pure 4 Shuttle
First time contender, definitely looking forward to crying and punching my monitor due to team faillure
As for my choices:
BeSt: relatively cheap for a player that's likely to be sent out and is definitely capable of streaking/ streak breaking. Also banking on points for team wins, imo overall more bang for points when compared to Fantasy and Bisu.
Calm: again going for cost-efectiveness here, likely to be sent out a lot as the number 2 guy behind Kal and performing admirably lately. Capable of picking up a good number of wins and STX is a solid team overall so I'm hoping he can raise me some dough ^^
firebathero: I excluded him from my team earlier because of concerns in cost effectiveness. But the raging fanboy in me felt guilty so I added him to bring some style to my team. I'm hoping there's a secret bonus pool for ceremonies! Firebathero doesn't break streaks, he breaks bonjwa spirits. He sends players into eternal slumps, forcing them down a wicked spiral, only to wake up in prison years later to the screeching sound of fangirls, begging a breakdancing FBH to have his babies. Sup?
Iris: Yes, I'm an ACE fanboy, don't judge me! Anyways, Iris has always been a solid player and his games sofar for ACE have been just that. I hope he can Berserk his way to some wins and become the surprise of WL.
Modesty: What's to say? Cheap, solid record and has been pretty good allround lately for a notorious ZvZ sniper. Destroying his team Ace Kal today I can see him make plenty of appearances.
Stork: Has been pretty untouchable lately, too good a player to pass up for 7 points. A core component for any competetive FPL team imo.
KT Rolster, because Flash is mad and overclocked. I believe he's still the most likely person to all-kill as his only weakness is fairly mediocre Terrans in Starleagues. I'm hoping he can face Ssak tomorrow, revenge will be sweet :D
As for my anti,
Free: has really sucked lately and seemed a better choice for 5 points than Action. Woongjin is playing really mediocre so I'm hoping that inbetween Woongjin winning less games and the relative good spread of skill on Woongjin, Free will be picking up less points than Action.
Pure: Has a pretty epic fail streak, hoping that WeMade won't get their shit together
Shuttle: I hate Shuttle, this way I have even more fun seeing him being crushed.
Good to see this is still going strong! ...and the rules appear to still be the same. I'm ready to win! (if I get super lucky since I have no idea who's in what form right now)
I did a little more experimenting, and here's what I came up with for now. Only a few hours left (I don't know when signups close but the first WL match is in 4 hours) so I need to decide a few more things.
I have two theories about proleague. One is that you'll never get optimal results from overpriced players, and statistically everyone who costs more than 7 is overpriced, and most of the 7s are close. The other theory is that you shouldn't have two players from the same team on your team.
So I decided I was going to take the best players from each team - except for Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, and Leta, who were over-budget. If I couldn't afford an actual team, ACE would fill in, and while I expect them to win less with WL, I'm expecting 3 wins for a minimum of 10 total points - I can deal with that.
There was a hitch. Based on pure game differential, this system came up with: Shine (7), Bogus (6), TurN (3), Really (6), ggaemo (4), and Sea (7). Those of you with mad addition skills will recognize that this is 33 points, not 30, so I had to lose 3 somewhere. The Stats said to go with HyuN as not much worse than Sea, but those of you who know BroodWar will recognize another problem: I didn't have a Protoss. Stats is peforming just barely worse than HyuN, on a team with fewer options, and has a higher skill ceiling (anybody disagree? If not, good, if yes - I'd like some). Thus Stats on the final team instead of Sea.
I'm still a little nervous: there's a really good case for paying for a "real team" and dropping one of my good players. For instance, take WeMade (or KHAN, for maximum homerism) and drop Really for, say, s2, Crazy-Hydra, or by.hero. Thoughts?
Action and Killer should be self-explanatory. They're both average-to-bad players who are slightly overpriced. I'm going to lose points (barring a miracle), but not that many. In theory. The fact that they're with KT and OZ is worrying, due to team win points, but I'll live. Pure could do me in, but other solid options look like HiyA and Jangbi, both of whom are due to return to form at any moment while Pure is a reliably bad Proleague player as long as you keep him away from PvP against bad PvPers.
On January 08 2011 04:15 Saechiis wrote: Cheatoss
Main Team 5 BeSt 5 Calm 3 firebathero 2 Iris 2 Modesty 7 Stork (captain) 6 KT
Anti Team 5 Free 4 Pure 4 Shuttle
First time contender, definitely looking forward to crying and punching my monitor due to team faillure
As for my choices:...
As for my anti,
Free: has really sucked lately and seemed a better choice for 5 points than Action. Woongjin is playing really mediocre so I'm hoping that inbetween Woongjin winning less games and the relative good spread of skill on Woongjin, Free will be picking up less points than Action.
Pure: Has a pretty epic fail streak, hoping that WeMade won't get their shit together
Shuttle: I hate Shuttle, this way I have even more fun seeing him being crushed.
Seriously, who calls himself Shuttle? Die Shuttle.
Any tips from the FPL veterans?
I love your main team. Very well put together. Your anti, however, is asking to be death on the computer screen. Point by point: 1) free's sucked lately - true. free's done nothing really impressive yet this year - true. But over Action? You've got to be kidding. I haven't done the math on how the WL points will stack out, but stats suggest free gets an extra win, maybe two - and he's shown a much higher ceiling, imo, than Action. Then again I don't like Action. 2) Pure I'll give you. He's on my anti - but only because I'm scared of HiyA or Jangbi remembering how to play (historically, Jangbi's KHAN's best WL player and HiyA is in theory very good). 3) Shuttle - how do you hate Shuttle? He's not having the greatest year, but he's solidly average. I don't see an upside to this pick: there's no way he's not going to cost you points. free's probably a better anti than Shuttle, because there's always the possibility that he just sort of fails for a while.
Of course, it's not like I necessarily have better ideas, lol.
God damn it, I keep picking and repicking players based on my own thoughts as well as what others are posting ... anyone else spend like 5 hours picking their team? lol
On January 08 2011 09:09 kOre wrote: God damn it, I keep picking and repicking players based on my own thoughts as well as what others are posting ... anyone else spend like 5 hours picking their team? lol
haha i purposely told myself not to read this thread so I wouldn't go through that... nevertheless I got baited and I've changed my team about 10 times now. Ultimately though, I picked players I like watching win and I've accepted the possibility of low success by doing so. I mean, I replaced Stork with Shine... I don't think anyone in their right mind would do so. And I kept Light. Should I change Light for Stork? Ahhhhh
On January 08 2011 09:09 kOre wrote: God damn it, I keep picking and repicking players based on my own thoughts as well as what others are posting ... anyone else spend like 5 hours picking their team? lol
That would be everyone else!
I'm thinking to swap out Really+ACE for Wemade (or KHAN, if I can convince myself to take the fanboy plunge) + by.hero or Crazy-Hydra.
Problem is, I don't know which one. They've got identical records (8-6) on similar teams. Both are played frequently, but are neither is a number 1. by.hero is a #2 while Crazy-Hydra's a #3. by.hero has put his record together without playing his best matchup (ZvP), which should change in WL. On the other hand, in PL Crazy-Hydra's best matchup has been ZvT, which is valuable given WL trends. hero's overall the better player, probably, but CH is new and therefore has a higher upside. hero's got only one quality win (over great) but only one suspect loss (to Ssak); CH has beaten Kwanro and Kal, but lost to Jaehoon.
My general principle would be to stay away from by.hero since I've already got an STX player (Bogus), but I'm really tempted by that "has to improve because he's not played ZvP at all yet" reason.
On January 08 2011 09:09 kOre wrote: God damn it, I keep picking and repicking players based on my own thoughts as well as what others are posting ... anyone else spend like 5 hours picking their team? lol
It didn't take me hours to pick, but I change my team every 5 hours since the signups started.
On January 08 2011 09:09 kOre wrote: God damn it, I keep picking and repicking players based on my own thoughts as well as what others are posting ... anyone else spend like 5 hours picking their team? lol
I just resist the temptation (aside from a captain switch Stork->Light and an anti-team switch to Jaehoon). I just reason that it's a far worse feeling changing up the team at the last minute only to see that they guy who you originally picked goes nuts.
It's also good to try and get distinctive players seeing as if too much people pick the same players, you're going to be getting a harder time to move up. Unfortunate because based on the FPL teams so far, Stork/Modesty/Hydra, already 3 of my roster, are in almost everyone's teams.
lol i just changed my team again. Took off KT and went with ACE, then put Stork in as captain. bah. I should get rid of shine as he's overpriced at 7... but man.
man... as much as the MBC coach may have been a pig, Light's success last year -- I felt -- came directly from good coaching. Not so much in preparations or whatever, but how he kept trotting Light out first while other teams would send out their baddies. This allowed Light to gain momentum as he won more matches, plus he had Sea to bat cleanup behind him. Now that the MBC coach has changed, I wonder if Light will be as good as he was last year???
I really want to get Kwanro but... I don't know. No clue what form he's in or if he'll be played, but on the other hand he could be an amazing sleeper for just three points.
On January 08 2011 11:04 flamewheel wrote: I really want to get Kwanro but... I don't know. No clue what form he's in or if he'll be played, but on the other hand he could be an amazing sleeper for just three points.
soulkey is an all-kill monster pick him up instead
Quick issue: If a lineup appearance = 1 point, and a loss = -1 point, that means a person who appears later in a lineup, on average, gives more points than a person who appears earlier (due to the chance of being the one to close out a match by getting the final win). This is sort of random, and while I understand the urge to reward the player who "seals the deal", in winners league this isn't usually the Ace or even necessarily the best player but simply the last-ditch or cleanup effort.
It's only 1 point in either case, but it makes me wonder why give +1 point for an appearance and -1 for a loss at all.
On January 08 2011 13:55 tedster wrote: Quick issue: If a lineup appearance = 1 point, and a loss = -1 point, that means a person who appears later in a lineup, on average, gives more points than a person who appears earlier (due to the chance of being the one to close out a match by getting the final win). This is sort of random, and while I understand the urge to reward the player who "seals the deal", in winners league this isn't usually the Ace or even necessarily the best player but simply the last-ditch or cleanup effort.
It's only 1 point in either case, but it makes me wonder why give +1 point for an appearance and -1 for a loss at all.
Roro already destroying anti-teams everywhere. Fantasy also seems to be rewarding the users who've used him. I was going to use Roro in a team with Jaedong but decided against it because of lack of overall depth in players. Go figure.
Roro already destroying anti-teams everywhere. Fantasy also seems to be rewarding the users who've used him. I was going to use Roro in a team with Jaedong but decided against it because of lack of overall depth in players. Go figure.
485 people have Stork on their main team. if he fails to perform somehow, then all those people are gonna be in a lot of trouble.
185 people have ACE as their team. that's only one less than Samsung Khan which is the highest picked team this time with 186 picks. so lot more people trusting ACE this time.
Only 21 people have Leta and 30 have Sea on their main team while 24 and 28 people respectively have them on their anti team. even though both of them are one of the best in their respective teams. sure they're not exactly HOT atm but that number is very surprising to me.
Some of the other one sided picks are Hyuk, Anytime and Modesty being on 153, 185 and 229 main teams respectively while on the other hand being on only 7, 2 and 5 anti teams.
As far as anti teams are concerned, Action, Bogus and Jaehoon lead the pack being on 218, 186 and 151 anti teams while being on only 44, 17 and 23 main teams. Jangbi is also there being on 121 anti teams and 49 main teams which really makes me sad.
Heh was about to exchange Stork for Fanta 3h before the games, but i decided to make someone else my captain instead and trade him off, eventually. Damn it.
I counted the fantasy points of each player from the previous 2 rounds based on wins, losses, lineup appearances and team wins (but not including streak breaks) into a table to see who are good value players and this is what I got. I excluded the players who didn't play.
If I'm counting correctly, this is the score after today:
Flash 10 Roro 7 Fantasy 6 Hydra 4 Midas 4 Stats 3 Miso 2 Other KT/Wemade: 1 Other SKT/Entus: 0
Wemade: 4 KT: 2 SKT: 1 Entus: 0
Time will tell if it was a mistake by not picking Flash, and I hope I won't regret picking Chintoss over Roro. Also it will be kind of lame if KT will only send out Flash as their last resort. 2 points every game isn't too bad, but teams like SKT will pick up a lot more points in average.
Hm, now if Stork starts failing; should've picked RorO instead. And I think it was a mistake to... uhhh LOL get people who're going to play each other this week? x_X
On January 09 2011 16:01 Evs wrote: lol at stork fpl owners and janbi anti owners.
Looks like teams aren't sending their big guns out early to seal the deal ASAP. Let's see if this trend holds; if it does, I expect Jaedong to be sent out last by Oz.
You might be thinking, wait, what? It's true that Light can beat zergs. But what kind of team is idiotic enough to throw zergs at Light? Obviously, it'll be Terran or Protoss. Light's been figured out since his epic run last year. Most teams have not one but two players who could beat Light. That's more than enough to stop him.
2010 Shinhan Bank Winners League: Record: 27 wins - 9 losses (75.00%) (6-6 PvP. Wins over Sangho, Bisu, Best, Much, Reach, Pure, losses to Violet, free, Jangbi, Snow, Guemchi, Kal.) 2009 Shinhan Bank Winners League: Record: 13 wins - 6 losses (68.42%) (3-3 PvP. Wins over Bisu, Best, Guemchi, losses to Jangbi (in PvT god mode), free, movie.)
um, good luck with that.
I was going to say the exact same thing, I think he had like 4 AK's in the last WL ... you might get severly pummeled with Light on your anti team lol
I'm starting to think prototypes team is better than mine. Starting to feel a lot of regret over some of my choices. I hope my better choices can make up for some of the fail.
wow, i've never been first on FPL before... i think i made the right call by putting bogus on anti, and i'm hoping airforce ace doesn't get too many wins
gonna leave this screenshot here for keepsake because i have a feeling i won't be staying up at the top
January trolling everyone that picked Stork for FPL...
Dreading 12th, my team is half KHAN half OZ lmao. Stork > x3 + Jaedong > x4 PLEASE!! XD
Lots of weird choices these last 2 days... cept for Flash and RorO performing which is to be expected I guess. Almost wish I did pick Flash + Jaedong + scrubs + ACE, 10 points for 3 game break and 3 game streak god... Like I said before, Flash now only has PL/WL to practice for, I'm scared.
EDIT: shit I'm a zergling after 2 years /tears of joy
double EDIT: grats prototype for your day of fame or so, well deserved after all that effort put into the LR threads, much love
On January 10 2011 22:00 Itachii wrote: Why on earth i forgot about Stats, and he was for 3pts, damn it.
4 points
Sad thing is I had Stats and Yellow in my team, but then I felt guilty as ACE fan and switched them for FBH and Iris. Good thing I have KT as team, so I've at least risen above 0 points.
Lol my highest ranking is 11, am 14 right now, and I expected to go up even more after stats's all-kill today. I only regret not having enough points to put KT as my team, but I'll have to deal with it somehow. Here's for hoping to get 1st after today's update! :D
On January 11 2011 03:32 Musoeun wrote: I have Killer on anti. It seemed like a really good idea at the time. >.>
But at least I have Stats on main, right?
I really wanted to put HiyA on anti (and by that logic Killer would be a good choice too) due to his horrible 2-12 but keeping in mind that since it's WL Hwaseung has a nice chance to win via Jaedong alone, and thus getting -1s from OZ wins aren't that uncommon.
I guess the same applies for Action too, but I was hoping for Flash not to dominate as much, haha. Then again, last game was vs ACE. He destroyed SKT though, I wonder if JD can do the same now.
On January 11 2011 20:29 purpose wrote: When can I trade? I have no clue how this works? My team sucks and when Flash dont even get to play its not that much fun :-)
Same here, bisu steal Fanta's AK and hogil's epic fail gonna sink my team 200++ more T.T
I had a bad FPL day yesterday because Flash didn't play and ACE lost but only Bisu's AK today makes up for all of those. I expect 200+/300+ rise in my rank (currently 700+) once the scores are updated. Thanks Flash and Bisu.
I'm not doing so well... I appear to be on the last page of rankings at the moment. Maybe being away for nearly a year and spending less than 30 minutes picking an awesome-super-winning team wasn't the best strategy. Should have spent more time catching up.
On January 11 2011 22:36 Itachii wrote: My AT seems to be very good (as usual) but team is lacking a bit power, unfortunately
This day wasn't so bad for me, if only Calm could score more ~ Not to mention Bisu not giving Best chance to play.
You have Shine on your Anti-team o.O, isn't that a bit risky?
On January 12 2011 07:55 semioldguy wrote: I'm not doing so well... I appear to be on the last page of rankings at the moment. Maybe being away for nearly a year and spending less than 30 minutes picking an awesome-super-winning team wasn't the best strategy. Should have spent more time catching up.
I guess I can only go up from here!
Yeah, that's pretty much how I used to roll lol. I still just pick a team of people that I like, and a few random 1-2 pointers for the most part
Man my team has been sucking hard with Tyson winning im gonna be last place T__T. It looks like after today matches Im gonna trade someone from my team.
Stork may be underpriced relative to his skill but not relative to his projected playtime. January simply doesnt like to play Stork any more than anyone else on the team. She's got an agenda for giving everyone equal playtime so that reduces his chances of gaining FPL points unlike ace players on other teams.
Anyone have the *kaboom* fuck yea, Free picture? Also, I'm sad MBC is playing Sea more than they play light. I flipped a coin between having stork or light as captain and i chose light D:
You know what. I usually don't pick a team that performed well the previous round before due to their points being too high and I feel that they usually can't keep it up. This was the case for KT in round 1, SKT in round 2, and now looks the same for CJ in WL. However, being the diehard CJ fan I am, I truly believed they would perform well in WL like they did oh so long ago. Let's hope these past 2 sets were just a small hiccup.....
Anyone could explain to me when and how you trade? My team is killing me atm and I need to trade some if I want to get some points. But every time I try to trade it say that the trading is closed?
Trading opens up after each week's set of games. The breaks vary, but there's usually two days of no PL games where trades are open. This one is probably open after FPL gets updated today/tomorrow.
Who updates FPL, anyway? Used to be Chill or Zatic's baby I think?
On January 12 2011 13:54 Manit0u wrote: Could someone tell me why my main team has 15 points and it shows it as 4?
What's your anti-team like? You just want everyone to see that you put flash on anti team don't you...
YES I managed to survive the bisu all kill and I'm still second place. Flash + Stats WOO
How in gods name did you afford Flash -.- he was so overpriced this season.
I have both Flash and Bisu but my AT is bad (-8) and the rest of my main is not scoring that much, including ACE as my team. I'm only relying on these two's AKs which makes this WL round very exciting for me .
EDIT: @Saechiis I think not all the scores are updated yet.
Just watched for the Khan results and cheered for the Stork 3-kill. Then I scrolled over to the ACE vs Woongjing results confident that Firebathero and Iris would deliver ...
Fuck, Free is on my anti Q_Q
Edit:
@Manit0u: mine is incorrect too, it seems something is going wrong with counting up the points as my sub-total should be 15, not 12. Maybe it isn't counting the new streak break points for the sub-total?
I think that the fields are messed up since MT Sub-Total is exactly what my Overall Total should be (it seems to be counting AT along with MT for MT total).
On January 13 2011 00:12 Manit0u wrote: I think that the fields are messed up since MT Sub-Total is exactly what my Overall Total should be (it seems to be counting AT along with MT for MT total).
I don't think so, since that doesn't hold true for my MT total. Something fishy going on though, Hot_Bid manipulating stuff to get ahead I'm sure
So many people dropped ranks last night because of all these anti players winning, makes me happy because I didn't have any of them on mine! MUAHAHAHAH!
Wish there was a way to do trades with multiple people at once, at least for teams. It sucks that if you pick the wrong team, after week 1 you're completely stuck with them forever since there will never be a way to trade them. Given that everything has an adjusted point value, it seems like it would be reasonable to trade one good player for a lesser one and then use the remainder of that value to go toward trading for a better team.
E.g. P1 worth 100 points, P2 worth 50 points, you trade P1 for P2 at a loss of 50 points. You then take that 50 points and use it to trade your 10 point team for a 50 point team.
On January 13 2011 08:41 Craton wrote: Wish there was a way to do trades with multiple people at once, at least for teams. It sucks that if you pick the wrong team, after week 1 you're completely stuck with them forever since there will never be a way to trade them. Given that everything has an adjusted point value, it seems like it would be reasonable to trade one good player for a lesser one and then use the remainder of that value to go toward trading for a better team.
E.g. P1 worth 100 points, P2 worth 50 points, you trade P1 for P2 at a loss of 50 points. You then take that 50 points and use it to trade your 10 point team for a 60 point team.
I always pick the wrong gdamn team .
Or would there be a penalty of 10 points for team switching? All in all seems like a pretty good idea to me.
On January 13 2011 09:16 Nemesis wrote: Traded zero for shine in my anti
I'm thinking about trading kwanro for fbh...kwanro hasn't played since forever, wth is up with him?
FBH hasn't played in some time too. And Kwanro's problem is that he's in a team that has quite a few outstanding players so it's hard to get game time for others.
On January 13 2011 09:16 Nemesis wrote: Traded zero for shine in my anti
I'm thinking about trading kwanro for fbh...kwanro hasn't played since forever, wth is up with him?
Shine in anti-team at the moment is kind of dangerous though. FOX is heading up against ACE this week (along with SKT, which do have tosses in Best/Bisu). Shine could get 2-4 kills in the week if all works out.
On January 13 2011 09:16 Nemesis wrote: Traded zero for shine in my anti
I'm thinking about trading kwanro for fbh...kwanro hasn't played since forever, wth is up with him?
Shine in anti-team at the moment is kind of dangerous though. FOX is heading up against ACE this week (along with SKT, which do have tosses in Best/Bisu). Shine could get 2-4 kills in the week if all works out.
1 win, tops. Shine has been awful recently and wasn't particularly strong even during his streak.
This is actually ridiculous. One week in and already my antiteam has raped me for 21 points.
Out of EVERYONE in the top 500, I have lost the most points to antiteam so far. WTF FREE, why do you suddenly start winning games? And Killer? Don't even get me started >_<
On January 13 2011 15:16 FuRong wrote: This is actually ridiculous. One week in and already my antiteam has raped me for 21 points.
Out of EVERYONE in the top 500, I have lost the most points to antiteam so far. WTF FREE, why do you suddenly start winning games? And Killer? Don't even get me started >_<
Killer is like Roro: you just don't anti him.
You play with fire anytime you stick a team's ace on an anti because you know they're going to get a lot of games. It works out sometimes (like Bisu's slump at the end of last season), but it wont most of the time.
On January 13 2011 08:41 Craton wrote: Wish there was a way to do trades with multiple people at once, at least for teams. It sucks that if you pick the wrong team, after week 1 you're completely stuck with them forever since there will never be a way to trade them. Given that everything has an adjusted point value, it seems like it would be reasonable to trade one good player for a lesser one and then use the remainder of that value to go toward trading for a better team.
E.g. P1 worth 100 points, P2 worth 50 points, you trade P1 for P2 at a loss of 50 points. You then take that 50 points and use it to trade your 10 point team for a 60 point team.
I always pick the wrong gdamn team .
Or would there be a penalty of 10 points for team switching? All in all seems like a pretty good idea to me.
I just picked a number that was less than the remaining balance. I don't think a penalty is needed beyond the normal -2 you'd get for trading two players.
On January 13 2011 13:32 Tekin wrote: So here is my trade for next week.
Flying for Princess Hogil for Modesty
Anti: Tyson for Bogus
Anybody wanna help me if this is a good trade?
I think Tyson for Bogus is a good trade. I feel Tyson is more likely to play than Bogus, but, it's tough because Bogus is probably the better player. Nonetheless I say go for it. Hogil for Modesty is fine too, as Modesty is a good player. He probably won't get games though, unless to give him practice against a weaker team, so it's iffy if it's worth the 1 point. Then again, Hogil is just terrible. So yes, go ahead. No opinion on Flying for princess.
Hope any of that helps
EDIT: Just want to add, nice work deL, top 10 in week one. Hope you get a good run this season.
On January 13 2011 18:47 xxpack09 wrote: Man, I'm stuck with free on anti now...
The only reasonable trade I can make is for Sea, and he's looking like he's unslumping too... and he hasn't even played ACE yet
Same, he's really screwing people over on anti. The only alternatives for trading him are better players that are even more likely to get some all-kills, let's hope he slumps again real soon ^^
the trading system from the last 'unofficial' round of FPL (from integral) was amazing. i know it'd be some work to implement, but it would greatly, greatly improve the current system. and with 1000ish people signed up this round there is still clearly interest in FPL.
basically, integral allowed people to use trade differentials in their other trades. like if you traded player A at 20 points for player B at 18 points, you can use those 2 players to get a higher player on your main team or lower player on your anti team. moreover, you can bank these points for later weeks if you don't use them immediately (i.e. if you did the A/B trade here, the 2 point difference carried on to later weeks so you can use it after).
if there is any way to implement this for next round, i think it would make FPL really, really amazing. props for running this hot bid, for sure, but with integral's trading system it would be that much more awesome AND it would really make trading way more important, forcing more gambles and smart decisions.
I can't understand how anyone can pick Free for anti. Yes, it worked out in R2, but that was a lottery pick. Someone of Free's caliber will not just start sucking all of a sudden. Even if he will continue slumping, it's still a high-stakes bet, and there's a lot of better anti-candidates, like Action and Really.
Agree totally with GG no re, the trades as they are are very limited, there's only a tiny bit of choice, only very rarely is there an actual viable trade.
I am totally against mentioned trading system, too many options open up for people and things would change too fast.You can't have big choice if you have 3 or 4 crappy (cheap) players on your team, that means that you have either invested into 1-2 expensive players and should consider trading them off/picking more wisely next time.
"only very rarely is there an actual viable trade." no, theres often viable trade, you just have to risk a little^^
And to people complaining about ATs: choosing AT is usually quite easy.You get what you've asked for, free on anti?comon...
i dunno, i think change would be good. it changes FPL a lot, yes, but for the better IMO. it's just a different style of play, and it will save people from thinking 'well I'm fucked, lets hope for next round' after the first week.
however, i agree with you on anti team picks. it's pretty easy to get a good anti imo. free on anti is pretty lolz also. there are much less risky players
On January 14 2011 00:33 GG_NO_RE wrote: the trading system from the last 'unofficial' round of FPL (from integral) was amazing. i know it'd be some work to implement, but it would greatly, greatly improve the current system. and with 1000ish people signed up this round there is still clearly interest in FPL.
basically, integral allowed people to use trade differentials in their other trades. like if you traded player A at 20 points for player B at 18 points, you can use those 2 players to get a higher player on your main team or lower player on your anti team. moreover, you can bank these points for later weeks if you don't use them immediately (i.e. if you did the A/B trade here, the 2 point difference carried on to later weeks so you can use it after).
if there is any way to implement this for next round, i think it would make FPL really, really amazing. probs for running this hot bid, for sure, but with integral's trading system it would be that much more awesome AND it would really make trading way more important, forcing more gambles and smart decisions.
I absolutely agree with this. It greatly reduces the number of dead weight players on your team. For example, STX owners cannot trade their team right now (except for ACE - but that isn't really an option) even if they are willing to give a more one-sided deal with their players to make it happen. Very frustrating.
On January 14 2011 10:36 Qatol wrote: For example, STX owners cannot trade their team right now (except for ACE - but that isn't really an option) even if they are willing to give a more one-sided deal with their players to make it happen. Very frustrating.
Why did they pick STX in the first place? It's their fault for being delusional, same with picking ACE as a team in Winners league.
I'm against the proposed trading change as well. If you trade someone whose 20 points for someone who is 18 then you SHOULD lose those points. That's part of the loss/risk of getting to trade, in addition to the trade tax.
Some people spend about 10 minutes picking their teams. Others spend hours. I think getting the ability to trade with less loss would reward people who put together pretty crappy teams on the fly.
I also agree with Itachi that if you have some useless players or a team that cost you next to nothing that you find yourself unable to trade, it means you probably invested in alot of decently expensive players or 2 powerhouses (like picking Flash/JD this round ).
On January 14 2011 20:25 Subversive wrote: I'm against the proposed trading change as well. If you trade someone whose 20 points for someone who is 18 then you SHOULD lose those points. That's part of the loss/risk of getting to trade, in addition to the trade tax.
Some people spend about 10 minutes picking their teams. Others spend hours. I think getting the ability to trade with less loss would reward people who put together pretty crappy teams on the fly.
I also agree with Itachi that if you have some useless players or a team that cost you next to nothing that you find yourself unable to trade, it means you probably invested in alot of decently expensive players or 2 powerhouses (like picking Flash/JD this round ).
this assumes that people who have bad teams don't spend hours picking, which is not always the case. sometimes you put a lot of time into it and you just get bad luck. also, if you think points should be lost, it might be a compromise to not have points saved for future weeks, but you should be able to use the spare points WITHIN that week at least imo.
i'm also not sure how having powerhouses with crappy players is relevant for the trading debate. you'd still have to trade those powerhouses away to get better players for the rest of your team. AND you still have to make smart trades and make a gamble. AND you still get the trade tax.
the differential point system make FPL more exciting and less passive. right now if you have some shitty performers it's almost impossible to do anything about it, and just queues up people who have given up and await the next round. with a more dynamic trade system it's more engaging for all of the participants.
Oh My God! I have both Flash and Bisu on my Main Team. God blessed this day! EDIT: Can't wait for the score update. I'm sure its already done tomorrow when I wake up.
On January 14 2011 20:25 Subversive wrote: I'm against the proposed trading change as well. If you trade someone whose 20 points for someone who is 18 then you SHOULD lose those points. That's part of the loss/risk of getting to trade, in addition to the trade tax.
Some people spend about 10 minutes picking their teams. Others spend hours. I think getting the ability to trade with less loss would reward people who put together pretty crappy teams on the fly.
I also agree with Itachi that if you have some useless players or a team that cost you next to nothing that you find yourself unable to trade, it means you probably invested in alot of decently expensive players or 2 powerhouses (like picking Flash/JD this round ).
this assumes that people who have bad teams don't spend hours picking, which is not always the case. sometimes you put a lot of time into it and you just get bad luck. also, if you think points should be lost, it might be a compromise to not have points saved for future weeks, but you should be able to use the spare points WITHIN that week at least imo.
i'm also not sure how having powerhouses with crappy players is relevant for the trading debate. you'd still have to trade those powerhouses away to get better players for the rest of your team. AND you still have to make smart trades and make a gamble. AND you still get the trade tax.
the differential point system make FPL more exciting and less passive. right now if you have some shitty performers it's almost impossible to do anything about it, and just queues up people who have given up and await the next round. with a more dynamic trade system it's more engaging for all of the participants.
Powerhouses and crappy players is relevant because it's about not being able to put all your eggs in one basket without risk. If you pick a team of average point players you spread your risk evenly across your team. Either way there's luck involved.
If you spent hours and picked a good team but got unlucky then that's the luck factor for you. If you spent hours and didn't pick a good team, that's the skill factor.
The extra options would create problems. Here's an example. Each week Ace plays 2 opponents. You could use your trading with transfer of points to make sure you always have the team that is playing Ace.
You never have to give up on a team during a round. People who have a bad start can always try and climb higher as the weeks go on. There's always someone you can trade for, it just requires more gamble.
On January 14 2011 20:25 Subversive wrote: I'm against the proposed trading change as well. If you trade someone whose 20 points for someone who is 18 then you SHOULD lose those points. That's part of the loss/risk of getting to trade, in addition to the trade tax.
Some people spend about 10 minutes picking their teams. Others spend hours. I think getting the ability to trade with less loss would reward people who put together pretty crappy teams on the fly.
I also agree with Itachi that if you have some useless players or a team that cost you next to nothing that you find yourself unable to trade, it means you probably invested in alot of decently expensive players or 2 powerhouses (like picking Flash/JD this round ).
this assumes that people who have bad teams don't spend hours picking, which is not always the case. sometimes you put a lot of time into it and you just get bad luck. also, if you think points should be lost, it might be a compromise to not have points saved for future weeks, but you should be able to use the spare points WITHIN that week at least imo.
i'm also not sure how having powerhouses with crappy players is relevant for the trading debate. you'd still have to trade those powerhouses away to get better players for the rest of your team. AND you still have to make smart trades and make a gamble. AND you still get the trade tax.
the differential point system make FPL more exciting and less passive. right now if you have some shitty performers it's almost impossible to do anything about it, and just queues up people who have given up and await the next round. with a more dynamic trade system it's more engaging for all of the participants.
Powerhouses and crappy players is relevant because it's about not being able to put all your eggs in one basket without risk. If you pick a team of average point players you spread your risk evenly across your team. Either way there's luck involved.
If you spent hours and picked a good team but got unlucky then that's the luck factor for you. If you spent hours and didn't pick a good team, that's the skill factor.
The extra options would create problems. Here's an example. Each week Ace plays 2 opponents. You could use your trading with transfer of points to make sure you always have the team that is playing Ace.
You never have to give up on a team during a round. People who have a bad start can always try and climb higher as the weeks go on. There's always someone you can trade for, it just requires more gamble.
i see your points, and i think they have something to them when it comes to winner's league (that is, where players can net dozens of points from playing so much) but there's no way to guarantee you'll have a stacked team. you can look at the evidence of integral's proleague and the trading that went on. everything is still a gamble.
in normal FPL format, the best players (i.e. ace players) are still only fielded once to twice (or sometimes not at all depending on the whims of the coach). but let's say they are basically 'guaranteed' a win each time they play. you still wouldn't be able to 'stack' your team based on their 1-2 wins a week, unless you take risks with your anti-team or takes hits to the rest of your team.
furthermore, if you were following proleague at all last round you will see that playing Airfoce Ace is no longer a guaranteed win. and if Ace is indeed the pushover you allude to, it wouldn't even get to an ace match, allowing even the best players to only get one 'free' win off them (which again, is far from free with their current roster). there is also a limit to 2 trades on your main team per week. lastly, even if you're using the point differential, you are still netting -1 per trade, which adds up.
the problem with what you're sayng is that there is no way to 'try harder' if you start out with a shitty team. you have no options, except for taking major gambles on players that are worth less than the ones you currently have. and for 2-3 pointers (especially if they lose early on), there are no options at all. with integral's trading system, you can indeed 'try harder' to climb the ladder by making smart trades which aren't available in the current system.
but honestly, just look at the thread's from last round. nothing was broken about it, and there were no extra problems.
On January 12 2011 17:00 JIJIyO wrote: You know what. I usually don't pick a team that performed well the previous round before due to their points being too high and I feel that they usually can't keep it up. This was the case for KT in round 1, SKT in round 2, and now looks the same for CJ in WL. However, being the diehard CJ fan I am, I truly believed they would perform well in WL like they did oh so long ago. Let's hope these past 2 sets were just a small hiccup.....
So it seems like my assumption is right. I'd also like to add usually teams slump for 1 or 2 rounds at most, unless you're ACE and eStro previously. I had an itch to pick Khan this season, and there you have it, they are out of the slump. CJ the team that went 9-1 last round is already 0-3...........Yeah. Goddamit CJ -_-
I really expected STX to be doing better this round with how well Kal, Calm, and Bogus were all playing recently. The first two are even doing well in individual leagues, but somehow they're screwing the pooch.
On January 16 2011 15:56 Craton wrote: I really expected STX to be doing better this round with how well Kal, Calm, and Bogus were all playing recently. The first two are even doing well in individual leagues, but somehow they're screwing the pooch.
Yet Cuteangel is the one carrying the team in SWL, lol?
There can be no excuses for such a performance, but in Winners League, STX will have no easy opponents. Especially now that Taek Bang Lee seems pretty much unbeatable.
doing sooo bad this season even with stork , kal is apparently totally useless all of a sudden and light hasn't done anything either but liquibet keeping me happy ^^
Just a question about trading. Let's say i trade hydra (whos earned 8 points) for stats (whos earned 17 points) does it mean when i swap them, i receive an extra 9 points? Well 8 cause of the trade tax.
the problem with what you're sayng is that there is no way to 'try harder' if you start out with a shitty team. you have no options, except for taking major gambles on players that are worth less than the ones you currently have. and for 2-3 pointers (especially if they lose early on), there are no options at all. with integral's trading system, you can indeed 'try harder' to climb the ladder by making smart trades which aren't available in the current system.
but honestly, just look at the thread's from last round. nothing was broken about it, and there were no extra problems.
Well we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm not asserting it would break FPL, it's just not my preference for the reasons I've stated.
And I feel if you start out with a shitty team then that is usually to do with bad choices and where it isn't, I'm happy with the luck factor, be in in your favour or against you. I'm also happy with 2-3 pointers being potentially useless if they perform badly early on.
On January 16 2011 19:40 FractalsOnFire wrote: Just a question about trading. Let's say i trade hydra (whos earned 8 points) for stats (whos earned 17 points) does it mean when i swap them, i receive an extra 9 points? Well 8 cause of the trade tax.
On January 16 2011 19:40 FractalsOnFire wrote: Just a question about trading. Let's say i trade hydra (whos earned 8 points) for stats (whos earned 17 points) does it mean when i swap them, i receive an extra 9 points? Well 8 cause of the trade tax.
Just wondering, first time FPL'er.
Think of a trade as the beginning of a season for a player. Anything prior to the point you picked them up goes out the window and you start gaining points from them from that point on. Similarly, you keep the points earned from the player traded, but stop gaining any future points.
Jaehoon just "Jaehooned" my anti-team. Worst part was I was thinking about trading him away...I was also thinking about trading someone down for Frozen too on my main team. All in all, I should have made some trades that I didn't and now I'm struggling.
I expect a lot of people hating on Violet today . I don't have him on my anti but he did not let Flash play . EDIT: 80 have Violet on anti and 20 on main.
On January 12 2011 15:24 prototype. wrote: wow... gonna go abandon ship
ggaemo wasn't supposed to be the reason my anti-team owns me
Same.
Except with Crazy-Hydra instead of Ggaemo.
Which is several times worse because Crazy-Hydra, unlike Ggaemo, is usually terrible
(Crazy-Hydra: 8-6 in the first two rounds, 1-0 in R3)
Now the actual post:
Team Scoring!
On January 17 2011 20:20 Turbovolver wrote: Does anyone else think there's something wrong with the scoring system when a 2-1 team has more points than both 3-0 teams? =/
I checked the last page or two and didn't see this discussed, hope I'm right on that =x
It's a little weird, but at some point you have to reward the big wins more than the small ones in order to create some "strategy" for picking teams. And at that, I'm not sure how to generate points differently. I'd guess maybe you'd have to collapse the scale back to a single line rather than two different ones depending how much you win by.
For instance if instead of 8/6/4/2/1/0/-1/-2 it was 5/4/3/2/1/0/-1/-2 we'd change like this:
Current Hypothetical Rank 1. KT (4-0), 11 2. SKT (2-2), 10 3. MBC (2-2), 8 4. SAM (3-0), 7 4. FOX (2-2), 7 4. STX (2-2), 7 7. WJN (2-1), 4 8. OZ (1-2), 3 9. HITE (0-4), -1 10. ACE (0-3), -3
This seems more accurate imo. SKT's still highly ranked because both losses were ace losses. KHAN is a little lower than match record would seem to make sense for because they're losing 2+ games every time.
The big problem with the scoring system as-is (which I hope is addressed in the future) is that it uses two different scales with the result that it rewards winning more than it punishes losing, so teams that win big - especially if they lose small when they lose - get rewarded disproportionately to teams that win small but win consistently (in this case SKT equalling KT is the standout example).
The other thing the inflated winning rewards do is inflate team value a little bit for good teams; for WL rounds this is okay (maybe even beneficial) since the best WL players also get "inflated" win totals and points due to playing more games, but it's a problem for regular proleague format rounds.
And Trading!
The problem with trading multiple players who match a total cost is that it's going to be really had to keep track of going to create instances where you can trade off underperforming low-pointer + underperforming high pointer for overperforming high pointer + overperforming low-pointer. If Kim (cost 5, 1-3 record) and Jun (cost 2, 0-0 record) can be swapped for Lee (cost 6, 6-1 with an AK so far) + Park (cost 1, 1-0) you're getting a (probable) net gain and you're at least thinking you're not risking much. Of course, at the same time it's unfortunate that under the current system you can only swap Kim for Jin (cost 4, 4-2 with a 3-kill), but it's the risk involved that makes the trading system fair. That, and everybody plays by the same rules.
In order to make a multi-trade system "fair", there would have to be some sort of extra penalty. You can trade two players, but only for lesser total overall (5+2)-(penalty). With the adjusted trade value, it could be something like knocking off 10%, so if you're making a multi-trade of two players worth 7, you can only pick up two players worth 6.3 total. Alternatively, trading more than one player using the extra value could cost extra points: -1 to trade one player, but -2 to trade the next, -3 if you trade the third.
(On the other hand, it could be really interesting if you could "bank" extra trade value for the NEXT trade session. Trade off Kim for Jin this week, bank the extra 1, and next week swap out Jun and his now 0-1 for a slightly better player. I'd totally be down with that, and by adding the delay in it increases the strategic possibilities. Of course, I'm also sure it would be really hard to set up!)
On January 19 2011 20:51 FaCE_1 wrote: 2 day ago i was 450, this morning I was 75 and I jsut saw Turn with a cool 3win. Hope that give me another good boost
I also love my anti-team, currently only giving me -2
... Got my answer, now ranked 58 =)
Turn's 3kill is indeed fantastic. Boosted me up to top 20 =].
On January 19 2011 15:01 DropBear wrote: There's been heaps of variety between the performances of the 7-pointers at time of writing. Most teams would have had one of these players.
Bad 7s Light on 2 points (0-2) Shine on 2 points (0-2) Kal on 2 points (0-2)
Good 7s Fantasy on 12 points (4-2) Baby on 11 points (4-2) Hydra on 10 points (4-3)
Excellent 7s Stork on 22 points (7-0) Sea on 15 points (6-4)
Dammit. If Khan had just lost a few more games last set then I could've traded for them. 3 points too expensive T_T.
Is trading working for anyone? When I click trade, the page reloads, but there's no confirmation button or text. It's for someone of equal value, so it might be a case of a > instead of a >= ?
On January 20 2011 04:42 imperfect wrote: damn zero blows. so bad.
and i guess putting hiya and killer on my anti was not so bright lolol
Bad thing about that is that if Jaedong pulls through, they eat through your anti from OZ wins.
Another bad thing about putting HiyA and even more so Killer in your anti is that Killer always always always gets sent out every game unless Jaedong starts in Game 1 and AKs. HiyA is usually played over BackHo and Lomo (though it was different the other day). Either way, you're shooting yourself in the foot. Yes, as an OZ fan I find it annoying that they have choked so much this season, but because of the other factors they're dangerous to try - I also wanted HiyA on anti initially, 2-12 would be a no-brainer to pick for an anti eh
Which also makes Bogus a bad idea generally, I've never seen him not produce results since he started being fielded regularly in PL. STX rarely have a game played without using him.
Jaehoon doesn't always get sent out for MBC, but it's just unforunate that January sent some guys to be practice food for him.
I had too much faith in ACE after their R2 performance, they're getting utterly dominated by teams with strong individual players, shoulda had one of them on anti.
Of course, this is only my first season playing SPL, but I'm starting to get it I suppose. I've made a couple of mistakes myself ^^
On January 12 2011 15:24 prototype. wrote: wow... gonna go abandon ship
ggaemo wasn't supposed to be the reason my anti-team owns me
Same.
Except with Crazy-Hydra instead of Ggaemo.
Which is several times worse because Crazy-Hydra, unlike Ggaemo, is usually terrible
i still disagree that this qualifies as a bad idea
it's a fluke i tell you
I still think the biggest mistake I made in selecting my FPL was predicting that hite would stay strong.
Snow and Skyhigh total to 2 points, something like that. Very underwhelming.
Best choice I made - so far, at least - is picking Light for anti. Let's see if that holds up, although judging from MBC's recent games, not only is Light weak, but Sea is far and away the ace.
On January 12 2011 15:24 prototype. wrote: wow... gonna go abandon ship
ggaemo wasn't supposed to be the reason my anti-team owns me
Same.
Except with Crazy-Hydra instead of Ggaemo.
Which is several times worse because Crazy-Hydra, unlike Ggaemo, is usually terrible
i still disagree that this qualifies as a bad idea
it's a fluke i tell you
I still think the biggest mistake I made in selecting my FPL was predicting that hite would stay strong.
Snow and Skyhigh total to 2 points, something like that. Very underwhelming.
Best choice I made - so far, at least - is picking Light for anti. Let's see if that holds up, although judging from MBC's recent games, not only is Light weak, but Sea is far and away the ace.
I don't think anyone saw it coming either, they don't have many bad players (at least that's what I think), The real tragedy is Leta, 9 pointer scoring 0 at the moment.
Hite have the capability to win a lot more games than that, but atm it feels like Hydra is a one man team. Hydra at 13, then Movie at 57 and Snow/Miso at 58 on FPL stats ><, rest have 0 points lol. In the spirit of Jaedong Oz and KTFlash I hereby proclaim hite Entus = Hydra Entus.
So, once again I must bring up my theory of never picking teams that performed well in the previous round. This time CJ lost to Oz without Jaedong. Seriously wtf. How do teams lose momentum so badly from breaks between rounds? 9-1 last round 0-4 this round.
On January 22 2011 15:42 JIJIyO wrote: So, once again I must bring up my theory of never picking teams that performed well in the previous round. This time CJ lost to Oz without Jaedong. Seriously wtf. How do teams lose momentum so badly from breaks between rounds? 9-1 last round 0-4 this round.
Leta is under-performing hardcore right now, i have no idea why...
On January 22 2011 15:42 Ciryandor wrote: Bisu lifting mains EVERYWHERE. 3 AKs just has to count for a HUGE amount of points; even better an FPL investment ATM than Flash?
It's something like Bisu 31 points, Flash 22, and iirc they costed about the same.
Bisu alone is making up for my -33 AT . Why did I put bogus on AT .....
EDIT: Light's AK destroyed my FPL but I thought its fine since Bisu also AKed the day before and KT won 4-0 with Violet. Then to my surprise, Violet actually didn't win game 4 and lost to Bogus and Bogus did another 3-kill. Now I may even have negative points in FPL
On January 22 2011 16:38 Ciryandor wrote: Best Main Team now: Bisu Stork Stats Free Rock Khan
Best Anti Now: Leta M18M Peace
Not exactly Best Main Team possible. You must have a Protoss, Terran, and Zerg in the lineup so all protoss isn't allowed. :S
And you also have to have 6 players not 5. Although you could add in Cloud for 0 points to meet that team requirement. Then you'd need a zerg. So you'd replace probably free with .... mm Killer? He was around 3 points I think. If free was 4 as I recall, then you'd have an extra point to swap spend someplace else. Either way definitely not best main team possible, but nice idea.
On January 22 2011 15:42 Ciryandor wrote: Bisu lifting mains EVERYWHERE. 3 AKs just has to count for a HUGE amount of points; even better an FPL investment ATM than Flash?
It's something like Bisu 31 points, Flash 22, and iirc they costed about the same.
Actually, Flash costed like 2 more points (he was the most expensive player at 13 points, I remember that because I used this to have him fill all my AT points) than JD and Bisu. Stork was also a huge steal as he costed 5-6 points and is in a power overwhelming mode right now sitting at the same amount of points as Flash.
Argh....Hydra raped my anti-team and I had a feeling that Bisu would go back down under. I have Fantasy but he won't be of much use this week since he is probably:
Yea I think this Fantasy thing is not for me. Putting Violet on my anti team was not that bright. Then again, it was alot better then to swap killer for Light last round.........jeez!!
On January 24 2011 00:46 Housemd wrote: Argh....Hydra raped my anti-team and I had a feeling that Bisu would go back down under. I have Fantasy but he won't be of much use this week since he is probably:
On January 24 2011 16:29 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote: Anti-Team with Bogus sucks... : (
my team is doing fairly well even with him, although looking at the current #1 team it will be hard to catch up, it seems pretty much with winner to me
Yeah I've got Bogus on my anti, I'm still happy with it. Hard to catch up to the top teams, but he remains still a bargain at 7 points for an anti. He allowed me to pick skyhigh and pure and that's been great. If someone picked say Leta or Kal over Bogus, I still think Bogus was the better choice :p.
Yeah SkyHigh's on my anti team. I took a break from watching BW for a couple of months, but just looking at his recent results on the tldb and his price made him an instant pick. I'm feeling pretty happy about it .
Apparently going forward Violet's not going to continue to live it up with the big boys; the best trade (based on performance to date) is for Killer (15).
Does anyone else think that the team scoring is a bit broken? I mean, rewarding teams for getting clean wins is good, but KT are 6-0 and on 18 points, while SKT are 4-3 and on 21, and MBC are 4-2 and on 26. I know it's supposed to reward getting significant victories and all, but seriously? A 4-3 team is worth more than a 6-0 team? It seems a little *too* slanted towards having big wins. A team could go 2-8 and get 24 points, while another team going 10-0 would be on 20. It devalues strictly winning.
Not only that, but KT are 6-0 and MBC are 4-2.
KT is worth 18 points vs 26 for MBC. KT is top because they have more wins, and the game difference +/- is only 1 (+9 for KT vs +10 for MBC) yet they have way less points.
Also this is my first FPL for a long time, and I didn't do R1 or R2 for this year of Proleague. Presumably the scoring was the same/similar, but I still think it's wrongly weighted and doesn't reward winning.
GG. Free is out of the Febuary-roster and Jaehoon is destroying my anti-team aswell. Also getting FBH and s2 was quite a bad idea for my regular team... T_T
Jesus just checked the standings carefully, i went over them when i saw i was 49, but those 50 spots are actually real close. Expect Funshin. He really dominated this FPL..
On February 01 2011 23:17 night terrors wrote: Anyone know when does R4 start?
Jesus just checked the standings carefully, i went over them when i saw i was 49, but those 50 spots are actually real close. Expect Funshin. He really dominated this FPL..
Damnit, as much of a Wemade fan I am, seeing KHAN having 21 points hurts because had I had KHAN as my team for 3 points, I'd be 12 points greater and be in the top 100. Oh well. Funshin is waaay too far ahead at the moment for anything though. :S
when i heard the news about violet, i never tought of the idea of putting him in my anti team. Now that I read about this , I'm quite shocked. About 27 people did it this round. Some people really have no shame.
I've had violet on anti since the beginning and he pulled a roro. I traded for free and I also have shine on anti. Gonna work out very nice in the end.
It doesn't occur to most people because they're worried about Violet. But there's nothing inherently disrespectful about trading for Violet any more than there is in trading for free as people keep suggesting people who took violet should have done. The difference, though, is that free could be back on the rosters in the next month, Violet likely won't. It's no more unethical than picking a b-teamer from the very start who has never debuted and likely won't. Neither will play. And no one is trading for Violet because they're callous and don't care he has leukemia. They're doing it to win, because FPL is a game.
Fushin's team is nearly the optimal maximum for points; one of the very few teams I could make that was higher and that I think is the current optimal maximum is:
^That anti team is actually -3. I also think that main team is the max possible--I was trying to see if CuteAngel could get you more (6.5 pts/$ ratio!) but I don't believe so
Fushin is too godlike, theres no way he'll blow this lead he's been like 50 points up of top 10 all season D: I hit 7th place at one point and i was like 35 points back.
So it's very important is R3 nad R4 (both WL) be merged into one in this season of FWL or the next week(being week 5 of the current R3) will be the last?This is very important in order to plan my trades.If its only one week left i will trade some of my players like Hydra and Snow because CJ has only 1 match left,but if it continues for R4 as well it's a different story...
On February 12 2011 03:21 zmeqt wrote: So it's very important is R3 nad R4 (both WL) be merged into one in this season of FWL or the next week(being week 5 of the current R3) will be the last?This is very important in order to plan my trades.If its only one week left i will trade some of my players like Hydra and Snow because CJ has only 1 match left,but if it continues for R4 as well it's a different story...
Well despite what people have been saying about the 2 rounds being combined into 1 for fwl, I doubt it. No one has cited a source, rumours have a way of spreading and if it were true I'm sure Hot_Bid would have announced it either earlier or by now.
EDIT: Oh, yeah, my mistake. It's actually easy to check . Just click on Detailed Team and it will show there are columns for up to week 10.
On February 12 2011 12:54 gen.Sun wrote: People have been saying these 2 rounds count as 1...
I hope not. I really messed up making my team this round.
Yeah. The nice thing about FPL was that you weren't stuck with a losing team for months and months. If this is actually going to be a double round that would be unfortunate.
On another note, what ever happened to Han? He had that all-kill back in January and I haven't seen him since.
Man, can't believe that the new round is starting up so soon, I guess it's because of the Lunar break.
Sigh, every time I open up FPL I think of how high I could have gone picking Flash + Rock/ClouD over Jaedong + Modesty. Oh well, buck up Jaedong, everyone's hoping for your success!
On February 24 2011 08:30 Amnesia wrote: Action's 3 kill definitely put me down by like ~150 ranks and Light isn't performing up to his skill level, seriously WTF!
And even Hydra, he's lost the last two (or three?) games ugh. Stork too..definitely not doing the best he could be lol.
You might be thinking, wait, what? It's true that Light can beat zergs. But what kind of team is idiotic enough to throw zergs at Light? Obviously, it'll be Terran or Protoss. Light's been figured out since his epic run last year. Most teams have not one but two players who could beat Light. That's more than enough to stop him.
2010 Shinhan Bank Winners League: Record: 27 wins - 9 losses (75.00%) (6-6 PvP. Wins over Sangho, Bisu, Best, Much, Reach, Pure, losses to Violet, free, Jangbi, Snow, Guemchi, Kal.) 2009 Shinhan Bank Winners League: Record: 13 wins - 6 losses (68.42%) (3-3 PvP. Wins over Bisu, Best, Guemchi, losses to Jangbi (in PvT god mode), free, movie.)
um, good luck with that.
I was going to say the exact same thing, I think he had like 4 AK's in the last WL ... you might get severly pummeled with Light on your anti team lol
shoulda traded him off before he faced ACE (and back on afterward), but damn otherwise this was a great choice
On February 24 2011 08:30 Amnesia wrote: Action's 3 kill definitely put me down by like ~150 ranks and Light isn't performing up to his skill level, seriously WTF!
And even Hydra, he's lost the last two (or three?) games ugh. Stork too..definitely not doing the best he could be lol.
You might be thinking, wait, what? It's true that Light can beat zergs. But what kind of team is idiotic enough to throw zergs at Light? Obviously, it'll be Terran or Protoss. Light's been figured out since his epic run last year. Most teams have not one but two players who could beat Light. That's more than enough to stop him.
2010 Shinhan Bank Winners League: Record: 27 wins - 9 losses (75.00%) (6-6 PvP. Wins over Sangho, Bisu, Best, Much, Reach, Pure, losses to Violet, free, Jangbi, Snow, Guemchi, Kal.) 2009 Shinhan Bank Winners League: Record: 13 wins - 6 losses (68.42%) (3-3 PvP. Wins over Bisu, Best, Guemchi, losses to Jangbi (in PvT god mode), free, movie.)
um, good luck with that.
I was going to say the exact same thing, I think he had like 4 AK's in the last WL ... you might get severly pummeled with Light on your anti team lol
shoulda traded him off before he faced ACE (and back on afterward), but damn otherwise this was a great choice
I bought light for my AT JUST BEFORE THEIR MATCH VS ACE because he did not play in the earlier weeks. I thought the he is not doing well during their practices and he is not going to play for quite some time and then just AKed in my face......removed him after that. I hope trading starts soon. My FPL needs somee tweaking. Stats in my anti is a good choice but they are facing ace this week .
yeah Light's on my main team, not my anti team, and I am not doing so well with that unfortunately. Ugh, Stork Hydra and Light are my players to rely on for points, and Ssak/Modesty/Anytime don't even play and when they do, they most likely lose. I thought Ssak would have potential since he'd just beaten Flash at the time and was doing pretty decent in PL and Modesty who had his Ro4 run was pretty cheap for 2 points...but he only got played once and lost! T_T
That's like a full OZ team, and he's got so many points out of that, if only he had watched his anti.
And yeah I apologize for trading Free for Violet when he got put back on the Woongjin roster, I don't plan on keeping him there, I just needed some time for Trade Values to drop so I can swap for someone else. I do want to make the Top 10 ><
I wish I picked up Shine from the start, anti would have been so sweet then.
I don't believe Violet's trade value will change. KT is pretty much always winning and he doesn't play so he can't lose, so there's no reason for it to fall.
On March 07 2011 00:52 Craton wrote: I don't believe Violet's trade value will change. KT is pretty much always winning and he doesn't play so he can't lose, so there's no reason for it to fall.
Kinda banking on KT losing to OZ, and wow I didn't know it worked that way. If it doesn't go down soon I'll probs trade him off anyway.
Thanks for the heads up.
First time playing the FPL, even though I registered in early 2009.
So ... BaBy just decides to facestomp my Anti Team, and then not only can he NOT finish the job, he fucks over my Liquibet (was rank 17 now 217) as well ... WHYYYYY
On March 09 2011 16:38 kOre wrote: So ... BaBy just decides to facestomp my Anti Team, and then not only can he NOT finish the job, he fucks over my Liquibet (was rank 17 now 217) as well ... WHYYYYY
For me, it is worse. I just traded Stats for him on my AT this week and then he instantly decides to win games . Stats did not play too . Sad FPL is sad.
On March 12 2011 02:09 Craton wrote: So there are two weeks left of WL on the OGN calendar, but only one week left on the FPL details page. How is that going to work out?
So does anyone know the answer to this? The adjusted trade values feel like they're taking this current week as the last of the season.
On March 12 2011 02:09 Craton wrote: So there are two weeks left of WL on the OGN calendar, but only one week left on the FPL details page. How is that going to work out?
So does anyone know the answer to this? The adjusted trade values feel like they're taking this current week as the last of the season.
I have no idea. The whole schedule got really screwed up because week 5 was inexplicably skipped
On March 12 2011 02:09 Craton wrote: So there are two weeks left of WL on the OGN calendar, but only one week left on the FPL details page. How is that going to work out?
So does anyone know the answer to this? The adjusted trade values feel like they're taking this current week as the last of the season.
We are looking into the issue with the trade values, hopefully it is easily fixable. We are adding one more week to FPL to conpensate for the extra week.
On March 16 2011 15:23 pinkranger15 wrote: i'm wondering. is FPL still around even when the Playoff starts?
This round of FPL finishes when WL regular season is over, which will be next week.
On March 12 2011 02:09 Craton wrote: So there are two weeks left of WL on the OGN calendar, but only one week left on the FPL details page. How is that going to work out?
So does anyone know the answer to this? The adjusted trade values feel like they're taking this current week as the last of the season.
We are looking into the issue with the trade values, hopefully it is easily fixable. We are adding one more week to FPL to conpensate for the extra week.
On March 17 2011 01:26 Craton wrote: Speaking of trade value peculiarities, hite players are currently all 0.00 trade value, but they have a game vs ace on the 20th.
Yeah, I noticed that one too. Trying to find out why it is doing that as we speak.
it looks like i had 9 of Zero's points taken away from me for some strange reason. Those points are apparently from week 10 and the system says my zero<>baby trade happened in week 9 but i only did the trade during the last trading period, and zero hasn't earned any points since then, so i should have all 44 of zero's points, but I only have 35.
On March 21 2011 18:01 DejaVu119 wrote: my team is all crossed out when others are not... this scares me my fpl team
Me too. At first, I saw that the scores aren't updated, then I realized that my whole team and anti team is crossed out. Is this just an error? a disqualification? or you are just trying to fix something, which is why some of the FPL teams are crossed out?
A scoring-related error (i think) that I've found: It seems Lucifer was not updated correctly when he played Flash. He has the 1 LA point, but his record remains 0-0. He lost the game - it should be 0-1.
Will there be another FPL season for the remaining non-play-offs round?
There should be one, provided that there are no more big changes to the PL format.
Asfaik, when they announced the PL format at the beginning of this season they said 6 rounds. Is there going to be only 1 more season for FPL for these last two, or two separate FPL seasons?
On March 21 2011 23:46 MrMoose wrote: A scoring-related error (i think) that I've found: It seems Lucifer was not updated correctly when he played Flash. He has the 1 LA point, but his record remains 0-0. He lost the game - it should be 0-1.
Scores should now be properly upgraded, and your entire team should no longer be crossed out.
On March 22 2011 05:50 hellbound wrote: Am I correct in assuming that after the WL playoffs FPL registration will be open? Been wanting forever to get in on the fun
Yup. We will make an announcement so you don't miss out on the fun.
Will there be another FPL season for the remaining non-play-offs round?
There should be one, provided that there are no more big changes to the PL format.
Asfaik, when they announced the PL format at the beginning of this season they said 6 rounds. Is there going to be only 1 more season for FPL for these last two, or two separate FPL seasons?
Oh. In that case, there will probably be two, but I'm not entirely sure yet.
imperator, i'm positive there's something wrong with players' points. i don't know if it has to do with woongjin and wemade both having 2 matches in the final week, but i didn't get zero's 9 points and i got baby's 2 points for week 10 even though i traded zero for baby after week 10 finished. I was at 211 pts before the final trading period and was 204 after before the scores were updated just now? I'm pretty sure I should have 7 more points, +9 for zero, -2 from baby.
thats the thing, all trades from week 10 are showing up as week 9. I can't find a single team that shows a week 10 trade, even though many trades were made.
On March 21 2011 23:46 MrMoose wrote: A scoring-related error (i think) that I've found: It seems Lucifer was not updated correctly when he played Flash. He has the 1 LA point, but his record remains 0-0. He lost the game - it should be 0-1.
Doesn't affect scoring.
Appearance: 1 Loss -1
Team wins are +1
It does affect scoring because he didn't lose the point for a loss.
He is at 8 pts while all other WEM players with 0-x records are at 7 from the 7 wins of WEM.
On March 22 2011 14:33 Craton wrote: Whoever wins this season can thank me for trading Stats for Han -_-
Hahahahahahahha I made the same trade and I'm like 70th when I could be like 30th. He'd gotten like what, 5 points in the last 3 weeks? I knew he was good but I didn't think he'd get enough playing time what with Action/Perfective/Flash eating up potential kills left and right
On March 22 2011 14:33 Craton wrote: Whoever wins this season can thank me for trading Stats for Han -_-
zero for snow was kinda bad too, you could've also won had you kept zero
but yeah, i saw that and thought you would be feeling bad cause of this trade, but you did great trades overall, winning is very hard (and to me became even harder with the lack of preview line ups
On March 22 2011 20:46 DropBear wrote: Does this continue into the finals? Cos if not I believe we have a winner! + Show Spoiler +
MrMoose
Apparently not, GGs guys and grats to MrMoose and godlysquirrel, I wish I bought Perfective over Barracks, and traded Stork for Stats.
Serves me right for grabbing Violet in the closing weeks, but 3rd is far beyond what I expected to get, I'll get a mention in the next FPL thread ^^.
Oh and Craton I feel for you, you're always among the top both LB and FPL-wise, best of luck next season.
Pretty happy with it: Highest +points gained from trading, and best of all HIGHEST JAEDONG OWNER !! ^_^ Faith in the Dong, though he coulda gotten me a little more though haha.
Wish I had participated in the previous seasons, FPL is awesome! Thanks TL.
I just want to say because i discovered right now that was an issue, but i'm not especially proud of AT violet, it was obviously the thing to do strategically wise, but that made me an ass nonetheless. But, payback is a bitch, and while i thought Shine would screw me, it is Movie who did, I certainly deserved it. I'll try not to fall in the dark side next season
Ranked 65...ah, that's good enough. I'm glad I picked the right team again(Hwaseung), for some reason, I always do that(in contrary to the players). And a "fu" to STX for never playing Classic. No wonder they didn't do that well.
On March 22 2011 20:46 DropBear wrote: Does this continue into the finals? Cos if not I believe we have a winner! + Show Spoiler +
MrMoose
Apparently not, GGs guys and grats to MrMoose and godlysquirrel, I wish I bought Perfective over Barracks, and traded Stork for Stats.
Serves me right for grabbing Violet in the closing weeks, but 3rd is far beyond what I expected to get, I'll get a mention in the next FPL thread ^^.
Oh and Craton I feel for you, you're always among the top both LB and FPL-wise, best of luck next season.
Pretty happy with it: Highest +points gained from trading, and best of all HIGHEST JAEDONG OWNER !! ^_^ Faith in the Dong, though he coulda gotten me a little more though haha.
Wish I had participated in the previous seasons, FPL is awesome! Thanks TL.
I am #1 loser at both
T_T
So when does next FPL season start so I can begin the long process of losing that, too. And will it be split or a double round like SWL was?
On March 22 2011 14:33 Craton wrote: Whoever wins this season can thank me for trading Stats for Han -_-
zero for snow was kinda bad too, you could've also won had you kept zero
but yeah, i saw that and thought you would be feeling bad cause of this trade, but you did great trades overall, winning is very hard (and to me became even harder with the lack of preview line ups
I could've also won if Hite and Movie didn't get bent over by ACE or if Roo did anything following week 8.
There were so many little things that boned me so hard, but nothing stings worse than Stats for Han.
i don't see how MrMoose was able to trade Leta for Cloud on his anti under any circumstances, unless it had to do with the trade values for Hite being messed up during the final week. It boosted him by 11 points.
i really hope the sign ups for the next round of FPL (if there is one for the playoffs). happen on/before friday! i'll be gone for a week and dun wanna miss em >_< hehe
On March 23 2011 20:18 mtvacuum wrote: i don't see how MrMoose was able to trade Leta for Cloud on his anti under any circumstances, unless it had to do with the trade values for Hite being messed up during the final week. It boosted him by 11 points.
Bank error in his favor, as it were. Bonus points if you can figure out the other "bank errors" this season .
On March 23 2011 22:00 GG_NO_RE wrote: i really hope the sign ups for the next round of FPL (if there is one for the playoffs). happen on/before friday! i'll be gone for a week and dun wanna miss em >_< hehe
There generally aren't fantasy leagues for the playoffs.
Top 20 in my 3rd season (19).Every season going up.Hoping for top10 next season.Too bad i don't have enough time to watch starcraft due to studies but in FPL i will perticipate surely.
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