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Who Will Save The Protoss? Bisu! - Page 5
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
Thanks for the translation it was an interesting article ! | ||
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China13814 Posts
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~ava
Canada379 Posts
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On November 23 2010 14:31 ~ava wrote: Thanks for translating, hopefully Bisu will be able to get somewhere in individual leagues though I haven't seen many of his games since last season, I hope his awful PvT has improved. Bisu's PvT was never awful. It was just never nearly as good as his other two matchups. His vT ELO peak is #12 all-time, while his vZ peak is #8 all-time (behind Jaedong and 6 terrans). | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On November 23 2010 14:36 infinitestory wrote: Bisu's PvT was never awful. It was just never nearly as good as his other two matchups. His vT ELO peak is #12 all-time, while his vZ peak is #8 all-time (behind Jaedong and 6 terrans). PvT #3, PvP #1, PvZ #1 by the way. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On November 23 2010 13:12 ArvickHero wrote: if you read the article, it says that zealots should be used wisely i.e. dont throw them away if the simcity is proper. That's pretty much the biggest mistake most protosses other than Bisu make in using this build, they see 2 sunkens and decide to attack anyways, without doing any real damage other than killing the sunkens maybe. Bisu plays smartly and only attacks when he knows he can do damage Exactly, single largest mistake all protoss players make. I've been saying for ages that the +1 speedlot timing attacks don't work in the traditional way because of the zerg simcity has been perfected to block it so why do they STILL bother committing to it? Basically every terran or every zerg knows when he can or when he can't break bases and adjusts his position accordingly so its confusing to see protoss players struggle to understand this and send masses of zealots to kill a few zerglings and some base defense game after game. To be honest, all of this feels like an adaption of strategies used in different matchups played by different races. The most revolutionary part is the dragoon usage, or lack of, which allows protoss to skip the one unit that is basically made obsolete by hive tech units and use that gas on templar tech/corsairs. But there is some serious deja vu in reading "The keys to this strategy" especially. | ||
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theramstoss
Canada242 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On November 23 2010 14:48 theramstoss wrote: jangbi is 0-7 this season, the hell is going on? Slump. I have no idea why he's so bad though, he was mediocre-decent last season's end. Probably just started bad. | ||
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LeoTheLion
China958 Posts
On November 23 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote: To be fair, I think it's the combination of speedlots and Corsairs, since speedlots alone are stopped quickly by the mutalisks. Although I do remember one PvZ where the P used some nice multitask to send zealot waves to two of the zerg's bases simultaneously... don't remember who it was though. That's another way to render mutalisks much less effective, since half a control group of mutalisks doen't stop zealots before they do some serious damage. + Show Spoiler + was paralyze vs great in first round of bacchus 36 i believe frotoss fighitng | ||
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theramstoss
Canada242 Posts
On November 23 2010 14:11 endy wrote: I don't understand why Korean players don't do +0 speed zealots rushes à la Kwark. It hits 30 seconds earlier before the zerg can sim city properly. Of course this build can't become standard as it would be easily countered by mass zerglings, but it's still a good build to mix in once in a while. Thanks for the translation it was an interesting article ! the players are too good (at defending), so the cheesing side is always at a disadvantage. If I was a pro I would be hard pressed to do this build, I can just see my +0 zealots melting. | ||
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LeoTheLion
China958 Posts
On November 23 2010 13:41 l0st_romantic wrote: I think baller is 牛B; also I think what Bisu does with his speedzeals is exactly what flash does with his vults in TvP, contest map control when dominant race is supposed to have it, and fuck up their timings (see the match with snow) baller = 屌? it means like cool, pimp, badass | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On November 23 2010 14:52 theramstoss wrote: the players are too good (at defending), so the cheesing side is always at a disadvantage. If I was a pro I would be hard pressed to do this build, I can just see my +0 zealots melting. Well Bisu had a few early timing windows with like 6 zealots that I remember. But +0 lots are so weak unless the zerg skimps hard. | ||
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LeoTheLion
China958 Posts
On November 23 2010 12:16 infinitestory wrote: lol hey the people over in china are discussing us again replies in order: *man, I don't understand that *rofl *Let's bump it and see [T/N unsure] *oh man, Movie's salary is going to rise now. quick, get [T/N one of their EN->CN translators' names?] to come translate this *(quotes previous reply) it's the english translation of that PLU article about Bisu *someone go tell TL why movie is called chen lao shi *how do you register for TL? ugh *(referring to Health_Wang's post here) does Health_Wang browse TL all day? *[T/N someone's name] has said that reading pure English is very stressful... edit: wtf man the people at plu's bbs and wfbrood's bbs are watching us pretty closely... health_wang's post here is literally reposted there, has its own discussion thread with a bolded green title edit 2: some people at plu are also asking for an en->cn translation... should i do it? edit 3: lol one guy asked "how do you say baller in Chinese"... and you really can't, afaik. poor guy  rofl. why is movie called chen lao shi? i was gonna ask on playsc.com but i can't seem to register | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On November 23 2010 14:53 LeoTheLion wrote: baller = 屌? it means like cool, pimp, badass How do you pronounce that? | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
diao3, I guess you know what it means. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
excellent read, thanks for translating! | ||
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Funnytoss
Taiwan1471 Posts
On November 23 2010 14:11 endy wrote: I don't understand why Korean players don't do +0 speed zealots rushes à la Kwark. It hits 30 seconds earlier before the zerg can sim city properly. Of course this build can't become standard as it would be easily countered by mass zerglings, but it's still a good build to mix in once in a while. Thanks for the translation it was an interesting article ! I've seen some players do it, but as you noted yourself, it's too flimsy to be used as a standard playstyle. If you can hit before the Zerg can defend properly then certainly it's useful, but it doesn't transition into midgame well with the severely delayed +1... | ||
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On November 23 2010 15:49 Funnytoss wrote: I've seen some players do it, but as you noted yourself, it's too flimsy to be used as a standard playstyle. If you can hit before the Zerg can defend properly then certainly it's useful, but it doesn't transition into midgame well with the severely delayed +1... If I recall, the first time I saw it used was Bisu vs Jaedong in the Allstars game, where Bisu destroyed Jaedong because he wasn't prepared. It became popular for like a month or so, until Kal attempted it vs Jaedong and got utterly crushed. | ||
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