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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
November 22 2010 19:09 GMT
#41
Great read, thanks for translating. I've noticed a majority of iCCup zergs dominating ZvP this season. My PvZ winrate is only high 30s while PvP and PvT are about 50%, so I'll try out this new style Bisu is going for.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
DorF
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden961 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 19:19:47
November 22 2010 19:18 GMT
#42
I'm still a Bisu-believer !
Although I have to say Bisu has limitations since he plays Protoss while Afrotoss plays Frotoss...
BW for life !
Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
November 22 2010 19:45 GMT
#43
On November 23 2010 00:22 Health_Wang wrote:
I'm Health_Wang.
The PLU's editor & SC commentator.

虎狼 is Horang2.

listen to this man
Jaedong plz
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 22 2010 20:24 GMT
#44
On November 22 2010 23:46 Funnytoss wrote:
some Zergs would simply sack a control group of Mutas to snipe the HTs

it's hyuk style


This was a nice read, and a pretty good insight into why Bisu seems to be so strong in PvZ lately. Hoping he can teach Best, Afrotoss, and Sun how to crush the matchup too :3
Translator:3
Dansickle
Profile Joined November 2009
177 Posts
November 22 2010 20:54 GMT
#45
Part of the innovation that wasn't mentioned is that Bisu's latest builds have almost no archons until much later than in his old +1/legs timing attacks. Again, saving gas and allowing him to get storm sooner and more corsairs. He also seems to go right from that +1 into the +2 upgrade frequently, so there's very small window where the zerg +1 carapace helps them much.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
November 22 2010 21:30 GMT
#46
What about his first Nexus against Zerg?
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Darth Saros
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Czech Republic245 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 21:38:19
November 22 2010 21:37 GMT
#47
Thanks for the translation. It was interesting, even for a terran. However I think (P)free is being overlooked with his sort of oldschool perfect micro play. Everyone is yacking about Beesuit, but Free brings the results in ZvP(8/10). In my opinion instead of trying to find the advantageous build, they should focus more on ling runby/hydrabust scouting and better unit control.
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Ripple818
Profile Joined November 2010
United States87 Posts
November 22 2010 22:20 GMT
#48
Hyuk went for early 3 base against Movie in the OSL. How is protoss suppose to counter that?
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
November 22 2010 22:30 GMT
#49
Also, I REALLY want to see that Fake stargate into 4 Gate Goon timing build again. I think Bisu is doing a great job with his Zealot. when Zerg goes 3 Hatch Mutas, instead of building cannons, just build more gateways!
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Danze
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia219 Posts
November 22 2010 22:54 GMT
#50
On November 23 2010 00:13 2Pacalypse- wrote:
[image loading]

(P)Afrotoss fighting~!


How the? what the f..? Wait what, how the fuck did that happen?

Did Jackie Chan and Mr T have a baby?

Anyways, nice write up. Will be interesting to see how the strat works out. In the meantime, I'll sit here in a confused state wondering how an Asian got an afro. Surely it isn't natural? lmao
Accidentally pissing on toilet rolls since 1991.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
November 22 2010 23:02 GMT
#51
On November 23 2010 06:37 Darth Saros wrote:
Thanks for the translation. It was interesting, even for a terran. However I think (P)free is being overlooked with his sort of oldschool perfect micro play. Everyone is yacking about Beesuit, but Free brings the results in ZvP(8/10). In my opinion instead of trying to find the advantageous build, they should focus more on ling runby/hydrabust scouting and better unit control.


_wat_?
do you know that bisu broke the old elo record, again?

comparing free to bisus zvp, how can you do that? :/
wat
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
November 22 2010 23:14 GMT
#52
Very interesting article, indeed Bisu is a beast.
One of the difficulties Protoss had with using Zealots against Hydras in a choke battle situation was that the Zealots couldn't spread out effectively, compounded by the fact that Hydras would clump easily, not allowing Zealots to use their speed. Now, Bisu's core strategy is to use +1 speedlots to take map control, engaging the Hydras before they can reach critical mass, using mobility, concentrating maximum strength on the opponent's weak points.

I'm no BW expert but wow that's impressive. It definitely looks like a S-Class P strat.
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Rustymike
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Finland327 Posts
November 22 2010 23:21 GMT
#53
On November 23 2010 01:50 johnlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 00:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 23 2010 00:13 2Pacalypse- wrote:
[image loading]

(P)Afrotoss fighting~!


I was gonna say the same thing.
(P)Afrotoss is future of Protoss......or past.


Frotoss is so much cooler/funnier than Afrotoss.


Ptoss Funkmaster for the win. All credits to nukethestars though.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
November 22 2010 23:22 GMT
#54
Thanks for this. This is the kind of smart play Protoss haven't had for a long time. Perhaps the age of macro is finally succumbing, now that Protoss can't just win by making units anymore.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8096 Posts
November 22 2010 23:26 GMT
#55
it's really exciting to see a protoss beating zergs all over the place again, but we gotta remember how fast builds get countered in this era. this build/strat could be rendered obsolete within a month. remember how fast things were changing in 2009? practically every month PvZ changed lol
Free Palestine
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 22 2010 23:29 GMT
#56
On November 23 2010 00:22 Health_Wang wrote:
I'm Health_Wang.
The PLU's editor & SC commentator.

虎狼 is Horang2.

Hi! Welcome to TL!
Translator:3
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 23:33:17
November 22 2010 23:30 GMT
#57
Thanks to everyone who pointed out that 虎狼 is Horang2. We really need an official translated "BW-terminology" thread...

and thanks again to PLU for this great article!

it's really exciting to see a protoss beating zergs all over the place again, but we gotta remember how fast builds get countered in this era. this build/strat could be rendered obsolete within a month. remember how fast things were changing in 2009? practically every month PvZ changed lol


Very true, though one part of this new strategy that I like a lot is that it doesn't depend on the user being amazing at micro, which some of the more reaver-intensive strategies would require. An overall mindset change is more revolutionary and potentially long-lasting, and it'll be interesting to see if other Protoss pick it up and how they'll do PvZ.

It certainly could be rendered obsolete quickly, but it looks like Bisu, at least, will need some stiffer competition before it begins to show glaring flaws.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19231 Posts
November 22 2010 23:31 GMT
#58
Thanks for the article. Bisu rlly has invented something great here. I think more spore colonies will be built in the future.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8096 Posts
November 22 2010 23:37 GMT
#59
On November 23 2010 08:30 Funnytoss wrote:
Thanks to everyone who pointed out that 虎狼 is Horang2. We really need an official translated "BW-terminology" thread...

and thanks again to PLU for this great article!

Show nested quote +
it's really exciting to see a protoss beating zergs all over the place again, but we gotta remember how fast builds get countered in this era. this build/strat could be rendered obsolete within a month. remember how fast things were changing in 2009? practically every month PvZ changed lol


Very true, though one part of this new strategy that I like a lot is that it doesn't depend on the user being amazing at micro, which some of the more reaver-intensive strategies would require. An overall mindset change is more revolutionary and potentially long-lasting, and it'll be interesting to see if other Protoss pick it up and how they'll do PvZ.

It certainly could be rendered obsolete quickly, but it looks like Bisu, at least, will need some stiffer competition before it begins to show glaring flaws.


it's funny you mention that. I always believed that kal's sair/reaver strat was closest to the most perfect PvZ build if executed correctly (particularly on matchpoint). the problem I guess was that even kal wasn't able to keep up good enough micro for it all the time, and even though I still think he is the most skilled mechanically of any protoss (or at least among the top 3), he is too stubborn and not flexible enough strategically to win with it enough. if only kal would learn that sometimes he needs to stop harassing and just take an extra expo instead :\
Free Palestine
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
November 22 2010 23:40 GMT
#60
Wow, Bisu revolutionizes the PvZ matchup again. Double revolutionist!
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