I think JD will too. Jaedong has brought down so many people with excellently timed builds to counter the players overreliant on a single strategy.Don't know if he has one prepared yet, but he most certainly will.

steventcyh

China70 Posts

November 22 2010 17:00 GMT

#25

And I think Bisu has much better Cosair-control than others. This makes the zergs feel really uncomfortable.

seRapH

United States9768 Posts

November 22 2010 17:17 GMT

#26

BISU!!!!

ilu

also paralyze.

SKTOSS REVOLUTION

schaf

Germany1326 Posts

November 22 2010 17:38 GMT

#27

On November 23 2010 00:41 Caos2 wrote:
I'm a firm believer that HTs are always necessary a safe bet in long matches for P, but it seems most protoss players lack the APM. Anyone got Stork/Bisu/Best/Kal APM numbers?

Bisu:
average 315, taken from 3 random replays I have.

Stork:
average 267, taken from 4 random replays I have.

Kal:
average 362, taken from 8 replays of WCG 2010.

I dont think the numbers for Bisu and Stork are really viable though, as I don't really know when the games were played and in which context (league/showmatch/...).

okum

France5778 Posts

November 22 2010 17:38 GMT

#28

Great article, thanks for translating! (And thanks to the original author.) :-)

mevshero

911 Posts

November 22 2010 17:45 GMT

#29

go afrotoss!

Armathai

1023 Posts

November 22 2010 17:53 GMT

#30

Thanks for the article! Really interesting read, I think the more interesting question is going to be, what kind of response will Zerg players bring about to challenge this new playstyle in their usually favoured matchup.Also can't wait for JD vs Bisu S2

_Quasar_

Russian Federation4405 Posts

November 22 2010 18:18 GMT

#31

What I'm particularly interested in, is seeing how Bisu would play Flash.

disciple

9070 Posts

November 22 2010 18:24 GMT

#32

It generally takes a Bisu awhile to design a new PvZ trend, but it tends to work for at least 3-4 months after that. I'm really excited about the new MSL, the Revolutionist should have a field day till he collides with Flash...

Cambium

United States16368 Posts

November 22 2010 18:30 GMT

#33

虎狼 = horang

iloahz

United States964 Posts

November 22 2010 18:32 GMT

#34

Here is to hope that Bisu also saves Protoss in SC2.

Telcontar

United Kingdom16710 Posts

November 22 2010 18:39 GMT

#35

I'm sorry but is there a reason Afrotoss is being heralded as the great toss hope? I don't follow BW much so i'm not sure if people are just in love with his hairdo or he's actually accomplished / shown great things.

night terrors

China1284 Posts

November 22 2010 18:45 GMT

#36

He seems to have his head on his shoulders, something a lot of tosses fail to do. He's shown to be good at pvz and pvt, nothing too spectacular, but solid for a rookie playing his first televised games. Throw in there an awesome hair-do and a chill personality and you got yourself a new hope for tosses,

TwoToneTerran

United States8841 Posts

November 22 2010 18:45 GMT

#37

He's 4-0 in the OSL right now after beating Great, a fairly good zerg, and Leta, an extremely good terran. And he won by completely outclassing them, both with pseudo cheesy play and straight up stomping them.

Mascherano

Argentina1726 Posts

November 22 2010 18:46 GMT

#38

On November 23 2010 01:55 tomatriedes wrote:
The trouble is Flash will still destroy him.

This is about pvz... Last time I checked Flash played neither toss or zerg. I could be wrong tho.

newvsoldschool

428 Posts

November 22 2010 18:50 GMT

#39

On November 23 2010 03:46 Mascherano wrote:

Show nested quote +

This is about pvz... Last time I checked Flash played neither toss or zerg. I could be wrong tho.

Yes, because Protoss has only one match up to worry about?

Ironically, that's also part of the reason why Bisu isn't that successful - his PvT is problematic. Although for a Protoss he's already done well.

Severedevil

United States4839 Posts

November 22 2010 18:53 GMT

#40

It's so obvious in retrospect - Zealots beat every other ground unit given the correct positioning, and they're fast enough to jockey for that positioning...

I'm watching Bisu vods right now, and it's bizarre to see a Protoss floating so much gas. It's usually assumed that Protoss needs Storm to win battles, but when you rely on Templars, you give up the mobility that makes this Zealot force potent...

Not exactly the same, but this makes me think of yesterday's Day9 Daily, about 2 base blinkstalker --> 3 base Stalker/Colossus, relying for so long on an army that can't actually win a straight-up fight unless the opponent is out of position, but that has the mobility to threaten and poke until the enemy is forced to either stay home or engage in a lousy position...